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Picks 43 and 53 will be interesting. I'm tipping at least one guy no one has heard of and at least one tall.

Liam Baker (from WA) with a late/rookie pick. An aggressive small guy with a mullet is exactly what we need
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Do you take two small forwards in the same draft .....Baker and Jarman ? ....wouldn't have thought we do that ?
 
Hamish was certainly there that day in person...McCluggage, Berry, Drew and Lipinski played that day too??

Honestly I saw Cedric Cox on 4 occasions live this year as well as the televised game and whilst he's got obvious good speed and a nice skills set he just doesn't find enough pill or impact the contest enough for my liking at this stage.....and he's an over ager. I also feel he will take time to adapt to AFL on what I've seen so I see him more as a project type player. Would surprise me if we used our 1st on him...personally I think he's being overhyped a little.

I'd be really happy if we were looking at these 3 for our 3 picks. I haven't seen Lipinski but I like what I've read of him in match reports.
 
They're Vanila players Cedric Cox & Matt Guelfi.....Meh!

If we go tall with Marshall at #13 (unlikely but possible) ......then we'll take an inside mid at #43

If we take the inside mid at #13 ......then IMO we'll go for the "project" taller utility / KP at #43
You do realise Cox and Guelfi are nothing alike and Guelfi is an inside mid with good outside capabilities. Actually meets our biggest need (athletic inside/outside mid with decent height).
 
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TYSON STENGLE
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Tyson Stengle

Small Forward | Woodville-West Torrens/South Australia
19/10/1998 | 171cm | 69kg
Player comparison: Eddie Betts

Snapshot:

One of the best pure small forwards in the draft, Tyson Stengle has some real draftable qualities. After kicking 48 goals last year for Woodville-West Torrens in the Under 18s, Stengle this year has continued his great form at both state and club level.

Stengle has excelled as a small forward in 2016. In total he has shown a capability to kick goals at will and has also shown his ability to bring his teammates into the play as a forward. This has allowed Stengle to play that tradition small forward role who also gets his teammates involved up forward with his unselfishness and kicks opportunistic goals.

This form at both club and state level lead to him being selected to test at the national draft combine, one of only ten from South Australia to do so. Stengle has a lot of interest from clubs and it is not hard to see why with his ability to shake opponents, set up teammates and kick goals all being first class.

Statistics:

Screen-Shot-2016-11-03-at-12.34.03-PM.png


Strengths:

  • Goal sense
  • Kicking
  • Evasiveness
  • Assisting
One of Stengle’s best traits as a forward is his goal sense. No matter where he is inside 50, you can expect when he sets sights for goal he will not miss. This goal sense makes Stengle a real threat up forward as he does not need much of the ball to have an impact when he can kick goals from anywhere.

Stengle is also a great field kick. When disposing of the ball by foot, he always hits his targets and weighs them to perfection. No matter the situation he makes sure he gets kicks the ball with the intention to hurt the opposition. Kicking is the most crucial skill at AFL level and the fact that Stengle is already proficient will bode well for him at draft time.

This field kicking ability has also allowed Stengle to set up his teammates up forward. As a small forward there is no better support act then Stengle in the forward line. He is as unselfish as they come and often tries to get his teammates into the game by getting them involved offensively. A testament to this is his score assist numbers which he averaged two assists a game which at AFL level is considered very good by his position.

Another skill Stengle has is his evasiveness. Up forward he is one of the hardest players to catch as he can dodge and weave unlike most. This combined with his great core strength makes him extremely elusive when he gets the ball. He is able to shake opponents is of the highest order and allows him to find space for himself up forward.

Improvements:

  • Athleticism
  • Left foot kicking
One thing that Stengle struggles with compared to other small forwards is athleticism. He is not extremely gifted in any athletic trait unlike other small forwards this year. Speed wise he isn’t flash, his endurance is average and vertically he will not be breaking any records. His lack of athleticism will not hinder him too much as a player but might stop him from being taken higher in the draft.

Stengle’s left foot kicking is also questionable. Tyson multiple times this year looks to avoid kicking on the his left foot and swing back onto his right. This unwillingness to kick on his left boot makes him really predictable for defenders as they know that if he has enough time he will swing on that right foot. This will need to be improved at AFL level as players need to be dual sided in the modern game.

Highlights:

Summary:

A player Stengle has drawn comparisons to is Eddie Betts. Stengle like Betts, bases his game around creating goals for his team individually or setting up their teammates. They both boast great evasiveness and kicking skills which is strong for small forwards. Betts also has a lack of athleticism but compensates with his evasiveness and footy smarts.

Stengle looks likely to be drafted in the later parts of the draft with a likelihood of him potential being a rookie pick. Clubs like Sydney, GWS and North Melbourne might look at Stengle late draft as they look to add talented smalls to their list.

Stengle as a small forward is the all-round prospect. In a year full of smalls has stood out and projects to be a strong prospect up forward. He has a rare ability as a small forward to impact games consistently as he can kick goals, set up teammates forward and create something from nothing up forward.
 

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https://afl*******************/player/tyson-stengle/

Your boy..

TYSON STENGLE
IMG_9504-390x390.jpg




Tyson Stengle

Small Forward | Woodville-West Torrens/South Australia
19/10/1998 | 171cm | 69kg
Player comparison: Eddie Betts

Snapshot:

One of the best pure small forwards in the draft, Tyson Stengle has some real draftable qualities. After kicking 48 goals last year for Woodville-West Torrens in the Under 18s, Stengle this year has continued his great form at both state and club level.

Stengle has excelled as a small forward in 2016. In total he has shown a capability to kick goals at will and has also shown his ability to bring his teammates into the play as a forward. This has allowed Stengle to play that tradition small forward role who also gets his teammates involved up forward with his unselfishness and kicks opportunistic goals.

This form at both club and state level lead to him being selected to test at the national draft combine, one of only ten from South Australia to do so. Stengle has a lot of interest from clubs and it is not hard to see why with his ability to shake opponents, set up teammates and kick goals all being first class.

Statistics:

Screen-Shot-2016-11-03-at-12.34.03-PM.png


Strengths:

  • Goal sense
  • Kicking
  • Evasiveness
  • Assisting
One of Stengle’s best traits as a forward is his goal sense. No matter where he is inside 50, you can expect when he sets sights for goal he will not miss. This goal sense makes Stengle a real threat up forward as he does not need much of the ball to have an impact when he can kick goals from anywhere.

Stengle is also a great field kick. When disposing of the ball by foot, he always hits his targets and weighs them to perfection. No matter the situation he makes sure he gets kicks the ball with the intention to hurt the opposition. Kicking is the most crucial skill at AFL level and the fact that Stengle is already proficient will bode well for him at draft time.

This field kicking ability has also allowed Stengle to set up his teammates up forward. As a small forward there is no better support act then Stengle in the forward line. He is as unselfish as they come and often tries to get his teammates into the game by getting them involved offensively. A testament to this is his score assist numbers which he averaged two assists a game which at AFL level is considered very good by his position.

Another skill Stengle has is his evasiveness. Up forward he is one of the hardest players to catch as he can dodge and weave unlike most. This combined with his great core strength makes him extremely elusive when he gets the ball. He is able to shake opponents is of the highest order and allows him to find space for himself up forward.

Improvements:

  • Athleticism
  • Left foot kicking
One thing that Stengle struggles with compared to other small forwards is athleticism. He is not extremely gifted in any athletic trait unlike other small forwards this year. Speed wise he isn’t flash, his endurance is average and vertically he will not be breaking any records. His lack of athleticism will not hinder him too much as a player but might stop him from being taken higher in the draft.

Stengle’s left foot kicking is also questionable. Tyson multiple times this year looks to avoid kicking on the his left foot and swing back onto his right. This unwillingness to kick on his left boot makes him really predictable for defenders as they know that if he has enough time he will swing on that right foot. This will need to be improved at AFL level as players need to be dual sided in the modern game.

Highlights:

Summary:

A player Stengle has drawn comparisons to is Eddie Betts. Stengle like Betts, bases his game around creating goals for his team individually or setting up their teammates. They both boast great evasiveness and kicking skills which is strong for small forwards. Betts also has a lack of athleticism but compensates with his evasiveness and footy smarts.

Stengle looks likely to be drafted in the later parts of the draft with a likelihood of him potential being a rookie pick. Clubs like Sydney, GWS and North Melbourne might look at Stengle late draft as they look to add talented smalls to their list.

Stengle as a small forward is the all-round prospect. In a year full of smalls has stood out and projects to be a strong prospect up forward. He has a rare ability as a small forward to impact games consistently as he can kick goals, set up teammates forward and create something from nothing up forward.
Are you going to post EVERY player in this draft ?

Lets summarize Stengle shall we ? ......we will not be taking two small forwards ....Jarman and whoever

Further .....this summarizes the player
One thing that Stengle struggles with compared to other small forwards is athleticism. He is not extremely gifted in any athletic trait unlike other small forwards this year. Speed wise he isn’t flash, his endurance is average and vertically he will not be breaking any records.
 
You do realise Cox and Guelfi are nothing alike and Guelfi is an inside mid with good outside capabilities. Actually meets our biggest need (athletic inside/outside mid with decent height).
Wasn't comparing the players in style / skills......just saying they are both Vanilla players
 
Danger in Texas

https://afl*******************/player/tyson-stengle/

Your boy..

TYSON STENGLE
IMG_9504-390x390.jpg




Tyson Stengle

Small Forward | Woodville-West Torrens/South Australia
19/10/1998 | 171cm | 69kg
Player comparison: Eddie Betts

Snapshot:

One of the best pure small forwards in the draft, Tyson Stengle has some real draftable qualities. After kicking 48 goals last year for Woodville-West Torrens in the Under 18s, Stengle this year has continued his great form at both state and club level.

Stengle has excelled as a small forward in 2016. In total he has shown a capability to kick goals at will and has also shown his ability to bring his teammates into the play as a forward. This has allowed Stengle to play that tradition small forward role who also gets his teammates involved up forward with his unselfishness and kicks opportunistic goals.

This form at both club and state level lead to him being selected to test at the national draft combine, one of only ten from South Australia to do so. Stengle has a lot of interest from clubs and it is not hard to see why with his ability to shake opponents, set up teammates and kick goals all being first class.

Statistics:

Screen-Shot-2016-11-03-at-12.34.03-PM.png


Strengths:

  • Goal sense
  • Kicking
  • Evasiveness
  • Assisting
One of Stengle’s best traits as a forward is his goal sense. No matter where he is inside 50, you can expect when he sets sights for goal he will not miss. This goal sense makes Stengle a real threat up forward as he does not need much of the ball to have an impact when he can kick goals from anywhere.

Stengle is also a great field kick. When disposing of the ball by foot, he always hits his targets and weighs them to perfection. No matter the situation he makes sure he gets kicks the ball with the intention to hurt the opposition. Kicking is the most crucial skill at AFL level and the fact that Stengle is already proficient will bode well for him at draft time.

This field kicking ability has also allowed Stengle to set up his teammates up forward. As a small forward there is no better support act then Stengle in the forward line. He is as unselfish as they come and often tries to get his teammates into the game by getting them involved offensively. A testament to this is his score assist numbers which he averaged two assists a game which at AFL level is considered very good by his position.

Another skill Stengle has is his evasiveness. Up forward he is one of the hardest players to catch as he can dodge and weave unlike most. This combined with his great core strength makes him extremely elusive when he gets the ball. He is able to shake opponents is of the highest order and allows him to find space for himself up forward.

Improvements:

  • Athleticism
  • Left foot kicking
One thing that Stengle struggles with compared to other small forwards is athleticism. He is not extremely gifted in any athletic trait unlike other small forwards this year. Speed wise he isn’t flash, his endurance is average and vertically he will not be breaking any records. His lack of athleticism will not hinder him too much as a player but might stop him from being taken higher in the draft.

Stengle’s left foot kicking is also questionable. Tyson multiple times this year looks to avoid kicking on the his left foot and swing back onto his right. This unwillingness to kick on his left boot makes him really predictable for defenders as they know that if he has enough time he will swing on that right foot. This will need to be improved at AFL level as players need to be dual sided in the modern game.

Highlights:

Summary:

A player Stengle has drawn comparisons to is Eddie Betts. Stengle like Betts, bases his game around creating goals for his team individually or setting up their teammates. They both boast great evasiveness and kicking skills which is strong for small forwards. Betts also has a lack of athleticism but compensates with his evasiveness and footy smarts.

Stengle looks likely to be drafted in the later parts of the draft with a likelihood of him potential being a rookie pick. Clubs like Sydney, GWS and North Melbourne might look at Stengle late draft as they look to add talented smalls to their list.

Stengle as a small forward is the all-round prospect. In a year full of smalls has stood out and projects to be a strong prospect up forward. He has a rare ability as a small forward to impact games consistently as he can kick goals, set up teammates forward and create something from nothing up forward.
Can't like this enough. Eddie comparison is spot on. Will be a top flight small forward, just makes things happen.

Unfortunately I don't think we'll take both Stengle and Jarman in the same draft :(
 
Can't like this enough. Eddie comparison is spot on. Will be a top flight small forward, just makes things happen.

Unfortunately I don't think we'll take both Stengle and Jarman in the same draft :(

Which would you prefer? Would we take Stengle ahead of Jarman if he's still there?
 
Yep, I'd pick Stengle.
:eek: ......this post will come back to haunt you .....Stengles a worse athlete than Jarman, and Jarman's has twice the footy intellect
 
:eek: ......this post will come back to haunt you .....Stengles a worse athlete than Jarman, and Jarman's has twice the footy intellect
Yeah this is just wrong. If anything, Jarman and Stengle have the same athleticism (which, admittedly, isn't great), but Stengle more than makes up for it with his evasiveness and agility. Jarman has very good footy smarts and skills, but Stengle is just about on par in that he has that uncanny ability to easily find teammates in better spots than himself, as well as knowing when to go for a snap himself. A few of the things that the article doesn't mention is that he's very good at ground level, he's a very aggressive tackler (tackling production could be a little higher though) and he is also very good on the lead for a small forward.
 
Danger in Texas

https://afl*******************/player/tyson-stengle/

Your boy..

TYSON STENGLE
IMG_9504-390x390.jpg




Tyson Stengle

Small Forward | Woodville-West Torrens/South Australia
19/10/1998 | 171cm | 69kg
Player comparison: Eddie Betts

Snapshot:

One of the best pure small forwards in the draft, Tyson Stengle has some real draftable qualities. After kicking 48 goals last year for Woodville-West Torrens in the Under 18s, Stengle this year has continued his great form at both state and club level.

Stengle has excelled as a small forward in 2016. In total he has shown a capability to kick goals at will and has also shown his ability to bring his teammates into the play as a forward. This has allowed Stengle to play that tradition small forward role who also gets his teammates involved up forward with his unselfishness and kicks opportunistic goals.

This form at both club and state level lead to him being selected to test at the national draft combine, one of only ten from South Australia to do so. Stengle has a lot of interest from clubs and it is not hard to see why with his ability to shake opponents, set up teammates and kick goals all being first class.

Statistics:

Screen-Shot-2016-11-03-at-12.34.03-PM.png


Strengths:

  • Goal sense
  • Kicking
  • Evasiveness
  • Assisting
One of Stengle’s best traits as a forward is his goal sense. No matter where he is inside 50, you can expect when he sets sights for goal he will not miss. This goal sense makes Stengle a real threat up forward as he does not need much of the ball to have an impact when he can kick goals from anywhere.

Stengle is also a great field kick. When disposing of the ball by foot, he always hits his targets and weighs them to perfection. No matter the situation he makes sure he gets kicks the ball with the intention to hurt the opposition. Kicking is the most crucial skill at AFL level and the fact that Stengle is already proficient will bode well for him at draft time.

This field kicking ability has also allowed Stengle to set up his teammates up forward. As a small forward there is no better support act then Stengle in the forward line. He is as unselfish as they come and often tries to get his teammates into the game by getting them involved offensively. A testament to this is his score assist numbers which he averaged two assists a game which at AFL level is considered very good by his position.

Another skill Stengle has is his evasiveness. Up forward he is one of the hardest players to catch as he can dodge and weave unlike most. This combined with his great core strength makes him extremely elusive when he gets the ball. He is able to shake opponents is of the highest order and allows him to find space for himself up forward.

Improvements:

  • Athleticism
  • Left foot kicking
One thing that Stengle struggles with compared to other small forwards is athleticism. He is not extremely gifted in any athletic trait unlike other small forwards this year. Speed wise he isn’t flash, his endurance is average and vertically he will not be breaking any records. His lack of athleticism will not hinder him too much as a player but might stop him from being taken higher in the draft.

Stengle’s left foot kicking is also questionable. Tyson multiple times this year looks to avoid kicking on the his left foot and swing back onto his right. This unwillingness to kick on his left boot makes him really predictable for defenders as they know that if he has enough time he will swing on that right foot. This will need to be improved at AFL level as players need to be dual sided in the modern game.

Highlights:

Summary:

A player Stengle has drawn comparisons to is Eddie Betts. Stengle like Betts, bases his game around creating goals for his team individually or setting up their teammates. They both boast great evasiveness and kicking skills which is strong for small forwards. Betts also has a lack of athleticism but compensates with his evasiveness and footy smarts.

Stengle looks likely to be drafted in the later parts of the draft with a likelihood of him potential being a rookie pick. Clubs like Sydney, GWS and North Melbourne might look at Stengle late draft as they look to add talented smalls to their list.

Stengle as a small forward is the all-round prospect. In a year full of smalls has stood out and projects to be a strong prospect up forward. He has a rare ability as a small forward to impact games consistently as he can kick goals, set up teammates forward and create something from nothing up forward.
He's one I like too
 
Yeah this is just wrong. If anything, Jarman and Stengle have the same athleticism (which, admittedly, isn't great), but Stengle more than makes up for it with his evasiveness and agility. Jarman has very good footy smarts and skills, but Stengle is just about on par in that he has that uncanny ability to easily find teammates in better spots than himself, as well as knowing when to go for a snap himself. A few of the things that the article doesn't mention is that he's very good at ground level, he's a very aggressive tackler (tackling production could be a little higher though) and he is also very good on the lead for a small forward.
You want to bookmark this post .....you can raise it again when he's not selected by the Crows ;)
 

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Oh, he won't be selected by the Crows now that we've put our eggs in the Jarman basket. I know that.

For the record, I do rate Jarman, has some very, very good skills - I just believe Stengle will be a better (and a very good) small forward. To give you an idea, I have Stengle around the 30-35 mark in my power rankings, and Jarman at the 45 mark.
 
Hugh Haysman is a far better player than Noonan. In fact, IMO so are Jack Agostino and Jaydn Brind.

surely not, agostino is a specialist back pocket that doesn't even do that well, and brind has no interest in being drafted, would be stoked if we picked up noonan
 
Oh, he won't be selected by the Crows now that we've put our eggs in the Jarman basket. I know that.

For the record, I do rate Jarman, has some very, very good skills - I just believe Stengle will be a better (and a very good) small forward. To give you an idea, I have Stengle around the 30-35 mark in my power rankings, and Jarman at the 45 mark.
Unless that poor athletic analysis is WAY OFF the mark .......not sure you can rank a small slow / athletically poor in all areas, at 30 - 35 in this draft ??????
 

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Poor kid, sounds way more serious than the heart condition Wayne Milera had treated before last year's draft, really feel for the kid, life can be a real bastard sometimes.
Yes hopes and dreams for Villis crumbling around him. Just hope there is a way with the Medical Tech something can be done for him.
 
Is Jarman a small forward or nothing at all, or does he have a small chance of playing midfield?
Forgetting positions for a minute ......lets just say recruiting two 175 cm players in the same draft is very very unlikely

On Jarman ......he'll certainly play initially as a small forward ......there'll be ???? on potential midfield time, however if Hawthorns Mitchell can be a champion midfielder at the same height, then i won't put any limitations ATS on Jarman
 
Unless that poor athletic analysis is WAY OFF the mark .......not sure you can rank a small slow / athletically poor in all areas, at 30 - 35 in this draft ??????
He's probably athletically average, not poor. I continue with the Betts comparison - Eddie doesn't have the pace or endurance to constantly play up the ground, but when played as a small forward, his uncanny footy smarts and very good evasion make up for this. This is how I also see Stengle.
 
Forgetting positions for a minute ......lets just say recruiting two 175 cm players in the same draft is very very unlikely

On Jarman ......he'll certainly play initially as a small forward ......there'll be ???? on potential midfield time, however if Hawthorns Mitchell can be a champion midfielder at the same height, then i won't put any limitations ATS on Jarman
Mitchell is not the same height.

Jarman very much strikes me as a small forward/half forward that can OCCASIONALLY go into the midfield but doesn't predominately play there. But I'm not putting any definite tags on him.
 
He's probably athletically average, not poor. I continue with the Betts comparison - Eddie doesn't have the pace or endurance to constantly play up the ground, but when played as a small forward, his uncanny footy smarts and very good evasion make up for this. This is how I also see Stengle.
That may have been the case early with Betts at Carlton (by his own admission) .......but i think now at Adelaide he seems to have the speed and looks absolutely fine aerobically .....must admit i haven't seen him hunched over all that often, and seems great on repeat efforts
 
Mitchell is not the same height.

Jarman very much strikes me as a small forward/half forward that can OCCASIONALLY go into the midfield but doesn't predominately play there. But I'm not putting any definite tags on him.
4cm difference .....assuming Jarman doesn't grow anymore ?

At that height, with marking not an issue ....4 cm makes zero difference to a players output
 

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