Analysis 2016 List Management Discussion

[Funk]

Cutting through 3 contracts there. Jamo, White & Jones all contracted for 2017 but I could see Jones being under the pump, or at least look at a rookie downgrade (salary cap concessions).

Rowe, Tutt, Armfield and the host of the later 2014 draftees along with Dick & Whiley will be under pressure to remain on the list. Simmo should be right if he wants another year. Would like to know Sheehan's new contract status.

It is very clear that any player not prepared to put in the effort will be traded regardless of their "talent"!

 

[LordLucifer]

Is that you Sheik!

I hacked his account.

 

[Aphrodite]

I hacked his account.

Obviously!

 

[Robbo's my hero]

With a scimitar.

 

[Cringle]

Under 24 team
(Only Gorringe and Lamb over 23)

FB: Buckley --- Glass-McCasker --- Plowman
HB: Bryne ------- Weitering ------- Docherty (vc)

C: Rainbow -------- Cripps (c) ------- Boekhurst
Foll: Gorringe ---- Cuningham ---- Graham

HF: Kerridge ------- Jaksch -------- Lamb
FF: C.Curnow ------ McKay -------- Sumner

Inter - Silvagni, Foster, Whiley, Smith, Dick, Galluci and Gowers

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SOS has certainly addressed the lack of high potential KPP; Jaksch, Foster, McKay and potentially Curnow.

 

[LordLucifer]

I rank 25, 1 & 2 way higher.

CARLTON: 2

Separating Numbers 1, 2 and 25 was a painstaking task. But, No. 2 gets the nod primarily because of John Nicholls, who epitomisedCarlton Football Club for the better part of two decades. Twice he skippered the Blues to premierships and in 1972 he was the club’s captain-coach for its grand final win over Richmond. Alongside Polly Farmer, Nicholls played a big part in re-defining the role of the ruckman. Greg Williams also wore No. 2 and won his second Brownlow Medal wearing navy Blue.

Notable mentions:

1: Stephen Silvagni, Sergio Silvagni, Ken Hands

25: Alex Jesaulenko, Brendan Fevola, Jim Baird

4: Stephen Kernahan, Peter Bosustow, Bryce Gibbs

11: Bruce Doull, Rod McGregor, Laurie Kerr

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/034956e3795d75b1035b2ad28c65bf89

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Under 24 team
(Only Gorringe and Lamb over 23)

FB: Buckley --- Glass-McCasker --- Silvagni
HB: Bryne ------- Weitering ------- Docherty (vc)

C: Rainbow -------- Cripps (c) ------- Boekhurst
Foll: Gorringe ---- Cuningham ---- Graham

HF: Kerridge ------- Jaksch -------- Lamb
FF: C.Curnow ------ McKay -------- Sumner

Inter - Foster, Whiley, Smith, Dick, Galluci and Gowers

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SOS has certainly addressed the lack of high potential KPP; Jaksch, Foster, McKay and potentially Curnow.

Don't listen to her lies, Bryne is older than 24. She'd struggle at half back too. Give her a run in the ruck

 

[Sin City]

Under 24 team
(Only Gorringe and Lamb over 23)

FB: Buckley --- Glass-McCasker --- Silvagni
HB: Bryne ------- Weitering ------- Docherty (vc)

C: Rainbow -------- Cripps (c) ------- Boekhurst
Foll: Gorringe ---- Cuningham ---- Graham

HF: Kerridge ------- Jaksch -------- Lamb
FF: C.Curnow ------ McKay -------- Sumner

Inter - Foster, Whiley, Smith, Dick, Galluci and Gowers

_________________________________________________________________________________________

SOS has certainly addressed the lack of high potential KPP; Jaksch, Foster, McKay and potentially Curnow.

Chuck Plowman in there too.

 

[Cringle]

Chuck Plowman in there too.

Don't know how I forgot Plowman. Still only 21.

 

[Cringle]

Under 24 team
(Only Gorringe and Lamb over 23)

FB: Buckley --- Glass-McCasker --- Plowman
HB: Bryne ------- Weitering ------- Docherty (vc)

C: Rainbow -------- Cripps (c) ------- Boekhurst
Foll: Gorringe ---- Cuningham ---- Graham

HF: Kerridge ------- Jaksch -------- Lamb
FF: C.Curnow ------ McKay -------- Sumner

Inter - Silvagni, Foster, Whiley, Smith, Dick, Galluci and Gowers

JGM thrown into FB due to lack of other options. Other than him though... that defence could pretty well be the seniors.

The biggest weakness is obviously the rawness of the KPF and maybe lacking another gun midfielder.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Numbers added to OP.

 

[F_therest]

JGM thrown into FB due to lack of other options. Other than him though... that defence could pretty well be the seniors.

The biggest weakness is obviously the rawness of the KPF and maybe lacking another gun midfielder.

Lets hope in a few years time that forward line plays to its potential and is the senior team forward line...on paper it looks really good, mostly high draft picks - yet atm they have all been fringe players or untried.

Definitely lacking another gun midfielder, probably 2...would be nice to have another big name like Brayshaw, Treloar, JOM etc right now its really just Cripps that has that star factor.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Bit early to be thinking about the 2016 draft but we know that we have less currency to use to trade for more early picks now, unless someone jumps out of the ground and then wants to leave.

Let's just assume everybody is right and we come last again. Let's assume the Dogs finish roughly the same position as they did this year since we have their third rounder next year.

We are looking at roughly 1, 19, 37, 47, 55 in a strong draft.

I see opportunity right there to use those last 4 picks to trade up with teams looking for academy picks. Can at least see us with 3 picks in the top 20 to go with 4 this year, even with no big player trades.

1954 points in those 4 picks in fact.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I think how we'll approach next years trade & draft is pretty clear, epecially if you look at a depth chart.

Key Forwards:
We Have - Casboult, Everitt, Jones, Jaksch, Foster, C.Curnow, McKay, Silvagni. Very light on for proven footballers, especially considering Everitt barely qualifies as a key forward. Total 8
We Need - Cuts. Cutting Jones is a popular option, if he's a burden again next year I'll be calling for it too. Foster could get unlucky. Trading Everitt / Casboult has its merits but they're our only proven options & we'd be left with only kids. Need 6

Medium Forwards: Nope, you're gonna have to compete for a spot with the KPFs or smalls.

Small Forwards:
We Have - Walker, Armfield, Tutt, Sumner, Lamb, Smith, Viojo-Rainbow, Gallucci. Not a great group but there's some potential. Total 8
We Need - Unless one or two can step up into the midfield there's gonna have to be some cuts. We've had success in the past finding immediate quality in the PSD & rookie draft, so I'd just keep turning this list over & trawling the rookie draft for another Betts. Need 6

Inside Mids:
We Have - Cripps, Gibbs, Graham, Whiley, Wright (5). Well that's not nearly enough but at least there's some cream at the top. Total 5
We Need - More. Desperately need more depth, also need more quality. This has to be top priority for next years draft. Need 8

Outside Mids:
We Have - Murphy, Thomas, E.Curnow, Kerridge, Boekhurst, Cuningham, Gowers. Some quality and some potential. Total 7
We Need - A couple from the small forward / defender groups to step up and provide depth here. I'm not entirely sure what we'll get from this group but at the moment it looks to be lacking in quality. Will probably grab another in the draft. Need 10

Key Defenders:
We Have - Jamison, Rowe, White, Plowman, Weitering, Glass-McCasker. Like the key forwards; light on for proven footballers but plenty of potential. Total 6
We Need - Young players to step up to provide depth and options, but otherwise it looks good. Need 6

Small Defenders:
We Have - Simpson, Docherty, Tuohy, Buckley, Sheehan, Dick, Byrne. Seems to be the one area we have a good number of decent proven players and also some potential. Total 7
We Need - Really just need one of these guys to step up into the midfield, otherwise Dick might get cut . Need 6


Rucks:
We Have - Kreuzer, Wood, Phillips, Gorringe, Korcheck. Kreuzer is quality but we need coverage for him, any of the others show something and Wood can go. Have 5
We Need - One of the new guys to show something so we can cut Wood . Need 4

All this goes to show that I have too much time on my hands and maybe the offseason drives me a bit insane. Also that we really need mids

 

[Azul]

Let's just assume everybody is right and we come last again. Let's assume the Dogs finish roughly the same position as they did this year since we have their third rounder next year.

We are looking at roughly 1, 19, 37, 47, 55 in a strong draft.

where did pick 55 come from? I thought we traded our 4th for their 3rd.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

where did pick 55 come from? I thought we traded our 4th for their 3rd.

So did I but it isn't showing in the AFL Trade tracker or the BF completed trades. Says Dogs got a 4th rounder from someone else though.

 

[F_therest]

Bit early to be thinking about the 2016 draft but we know that we have less currency to use to trade for more early picks now, unless someone jumps out of the ground and then wants to leave.

Let's just assume everybody is right and we come last again. Let's assume the Dogs finish roughly the same position as they did this year since we have their third rounder next year.

We are looking at roughly 1, 19, 37, 47, 55 in a strong draft.

I see opportunity right there to use those last 4 picks to trade up with teams looking for academy picks. Can at least see us with 3 picks in the top 20 to go with 4 this year, even with no big player trades.

1954 points in those 4 picks in fact.

Im sure we'll be trying to broker these kinds of deals...though you'd imagine a lot of clubs would be

Maybe us the most as we are REALLY rebuilding.

 

[bmaurizio]

Pick 1 will be a beauty , some amazingly gifted midfielders in the top 5 next year.
Strong draft as mentioned earlier, Pick 19 should be a very solid player too.
If we can somehow manufacture a thrid pick in top 20, and land a quality FA , or trade our climb back will well on the way.

 

[BluesRule]

Bit early to be thinking about the 2016 draft but we know that we have less currency to use to trade for more early picks now, unless someone jumps out of the ground and then wants to leave.

Let's just assume everybody is right and we come last again. Let's assume the Dogs finish roughly the same position as they did this year since we have their third rounder next year.

We are looking at roughly 1, 19, 37, 47, 55 in a strong draft.

I see opportunity right there to use those last 4 picks to trade up with teams looking for academy picks. Can at least see us with 3 picks in the top 20 to go with 4 this year, even with no big player trades.

1954 points in those 4 picks in fact.

GWS now have 3 first round picks in 2016 (GWS/Collingwood/Geelong), plus extra currency/trade bait in Tomlinson, Stewart, McCarthy, etc.
Every chance GWS could have 6 first round picks, plus academy benefits.
Can see GWS really dominating next years draft, which may mean they extend their window even further.
Makes our 2 picks in Top 20 if we come last again look pretty ordinary.

 

[Matty411]

GWS now have 3 first round picks in 2016 (GWS/Collingwood/Geelong), plus extra currency/trade bait in Tomlinson, Stewart, McCarthy, etc.
Every chance GWS could have 6 first round picks, plus academy benefits.
Can see GWS really dominating next years draft, which may mean they extend their window even further.
Makes our 2 picks in Top 20 if we come last again look pretty ordinary.

If we had the chance to get a Petrevski-Seton and a Jonty Scharenberg, we'd be pretty happy.

Would still use a pick or two (not our 1st) to get Tomlinson... really think he's a perfect fit for us. Lets just see what kind of year he has at GWS.

 

[thylacine60]

Pick 1 will be a beauty , some amazingly gifted midfielders in the top 5 next year.
Strong draft as mentioned earlier, Pick 19 should be a very solid player too.
If we can somehow manufacture a thrid pick in top 20, and land a quality FA , or trade our climb back will well on the way.

You a keen TAC track-watcher, bm?

 

[HARKER]

Players that will likely have the spotlight on them next year to retain a spot on the list.

Possible retirees: Simpson & Walker if his knee says 'no more' = 2

Possible delistees: DVR, Rowe, Tutt, Whiley, Foster, Gowers, Dick, Armfield & Wood = 9 (not going to include any rookies just yet)

Out of contract: Buckley, Smith, Everitt, Casboult & Tuohy but these guys will stay or at worst some may be traded.

Looks like another 10 possible outs to me, for one reason or another.

 

[TheCoach16]

I find the idea of trading Gibbs appealing, if we can get another top 5 pick, or say Tomlinson and GWS's first pick.
Gotta take a ruthless approach to list management now.

Way I see it, if players are no longer loyal to clubs, than it should be a two way street.

Also Gibbs isn't worth the coin he's (rumoured to be) earning, want us to clear the decks and try make a massive play for Jesse Hogan when he comes our of contact at the end of 2017.

Is that a typo? Did you mean appalling? I find it appalling...

 

[Dramoth]

I find the idea of trading Gibbs appealing, if we can get another top 5 pick, or say Tomlinson and GWS's first pick.
Gotta take a ruthless approach to list management now.

Way I see it, if players are no longer loyal to clubs, than it should be a two way street.

Also Gibbs isn't worth the coin he's (rumoured to be) earning, want us to clear the decks and try make a massive play for Jesse Hogan when he comes our of contact at the end of 2017.

I think that I missed this.

What are we going to use for trade bait in 2017? TBH, the only player who the Dee's might even be closely interested in then would be Cripps. But you want to trade out Gibbs. One of the few good experienced players on our list at the end of next season?

Where did you get the idea that we would even be interested in trading him?

 

[HARKER]

Is that a typo? Did you mean appalling? I find it appalling...

Here's the thing with an idea like that:

A team in a 'perceived' Premiership window may want the missing piece in the puzzle and may be happy to give up 'perceived' overs to attain something they may get them closer to what we're all here for.
I'm sure SOS has this mindset and is prepared to let go of someone who may have 4-5 left in them, for a star on the way up with 8-10 left.

Won't always be popular but that's the job of a list manager.