Analysis 2016 List Management Discussion

[Soapy V]

I think graham is a good depth player, and will unlikely ever be more. We need theae sorts of players, and I would be happy to keep him for years to be that. Problem is, will he be happy to do that? I expect him to ask for a trade, more than anything.

i think he will develop in to a very good accumalator and user of the ball. major part of the engine room. not flashy but does a good job every week. he's not far away

 

[Coona Blues]

Nick Graham is skating on thin ice territory now, if he isn't brought back for either the St Kilda or Brisbane games in the next few weeks, I'd almost say it's a safe bet he won't be at Carlton next year ( I figure he won't be in the coaching staff's long term plans if he can't get a game against the run of the mill Saints or the Lowly Lions)

I think they'll either give Clem Smith another year, or delist him and put him on the rookie list.
Jamison will do the right thing and call it a day, hoping Walker has the same common sense and also retire, despite having another year left on his contract.

Anyone advocating the "disposal" of Nick Graham has absolutely no idea. He may not have cemented himself in the 22 as yet, but is at least the best of the rest. He is significantly ahead of Whiley, and Cuningham, while promising has a long way to go.

We are sorely lacking midfield depth and Nick would have to be a required player. He is out of contract, and the only way he goes is if he loses
patience and gets a sweetheart deal offered from another club.

To suggest moving Graham on and keeping the underperforming, and seemingly underinvested Smith is ludicrous.

Agree in principle with your last sentence, although if Walker has "common sense", he would hold the club to his contract and pocket a
significant six figure pay cheque for another year. One of my favourites of the last decade, he does seem done, and it is hoped that an equitable
arrangement can be brokered.

 

[BluStreak]

It's Galucci's first year on a rookie list, you don't pick up rookies to just delist straightaway, they are projects and he has been injured all year. He'll be here next year.

Whilst I liked what I saw from Gallucci during the preseason trials, what does he offer that we don't already have covered with Wright, Lamb and Sumner?

 

[Soapy V]

Whilst I liked what I saw from Gallucci during the preseason trials, what does he offer that we don't already have covered with Wright, Lamb and Sumner?

he does offer a bit of energy forward but after that im not sure. havent seen him enough. i was real hopeful on smith but doesnt seem to be in the mix at the moment. lamb to me is a worker more than an x factor forward. wright & sumner are more mids that can play forward. just my opinion

 

[passmark]

i think Gallucci will stay on the list.

Pure goal sneak and fast . Quicker than Wright or Lamb.

Pity he got injured.

 

[Blue__Balls]

With the points trading, which im sure you are aware, there is no point trading 1400 points (of our picks) for pick 10 (1400 points) from GWS. We would have to offer more points for them to have any benefit or want to do the trade.

Not quite accurate - later picks improve in value as the draft progresses.

Hypothetical situation:

GWS trade some mid first rounders to get into the top three, then stock up on later picks (second round and below).
Draft a top three kid, then opt to match a bid for Macreadie at pick 5 using picks 30, 36 and 44.
Pick 30 moves to pick 5, 5-29 become 6-30.
36 and 44 drop to the back of the draft, 37-43 become 36-42, and everything from 45 moves up two spots.

If GWS have half a dozen picks in the 50's, they each move up two spots, increasing in value by roughly 25 points.

And that's after one academy bid is matched. GC will be expected to match for Jack Bowes fairly early, GWS have a handful of academy kids of their own.

What starts as 1400 points from us ends up becoming 1500+ points in reality.

 

[Sector 7G]

Whilst I liked what I saw from Gallucci during the preseason trials, what does he offer that we don't already have covered with Wright, Lamb and Sumner?

Gallucci seems to be more agile and have better ability at roving balls off a pack to kick a goal, something we have missed since Eddie left.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I think graham is a good depth player, and will unlikely ever be more. We need theae sorts of players, and I would be happy to keep him for years to be that. Problem is, will he be happy to do that? I expect him to ask for a trade, more than anything.

You would think Graham would be smart enough to understand where he sits, for him it will be purely about job security. Only reason he would leave is if someone was willing to offer him 3 years and we only offer 1. We have been lucky so far with our midfield who touch wood havent had any injuries, but they will come later in the year and that will be Nicks time to shine and show how important having depth players like NG are.

 

[F_therest]

These guys almost def gone :

Tutt
Dick
Smith
Armfield
Foster

That's 5.

Walker and Jamison depending on contract status

Whiley maybe also

Everitt maybe a trade
Buckley maybe a trade

Based on what logic?

Armfield is in the senior team right now and Tutt has been emergency a few times and one of our better VFL performers.

There are plenty that will be cut before those 2.

 

[Soapy V]

wasnt armfield the last to be signed for this season? given one year after drafts finished. i like him but we were are and what we are trying to do i cant see him being at the club next year

unless something dramatically changes i think armfield tutt dick foster wood gowers buckley will be gone at years end. i have question marks on walker smith jamison as well. jones will only survive if we dont get any other key forwards. not up to it otherwise

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Based on what logic?

Armfield is in the senior team right now and Tutt has been emergency a few times and one of our better VFL performers.

There are plenty that will be cut before those 2.

I agree with what he put up. Arnfield is a good foot soldier but he is not getting any better and is just clogging up a list spot for a kid who might develop. Tutt would need to show he can make it at AFL level.. The only one i think we may give another year too is Smith who if BB can tap into might get something out of him so is worth another crack, even if its on a rookie list.

 

[Dramoth]

wasnt armfield the last to be signed for this season? given one year after drafts finished. i like him but we were are and what we are trying to do i cant see him being at the club next year

I see him at the club next... But not as a Carlton listed player. I see him working in the PR dept. and as a development coach at the Bullants.

 

[Coops93]

Looking like getting rid of Yarran was a great thing for the club. Also getting a top 20 pick for it was a great return. Wouldn't surprise me if he had some issues at Carlton as well. He looked dejected at times and obviously felt a change of clubs/scenery would solve that issue. But it hasn't.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-26/tiger-yarran-placed-on-indefinite-leave
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-26/tiger-yarran-placed-on-indefinite-leave
Unfortunate situation he is in and hope he recovers. But still, a good move by Carlton avoiding those issues and getting a great return for it.

 

[Soapy V]

I see him at the club next... But not as a Carlton listed player. I see him working in the PR dept. and as a development coach at the Bullants.

perfect

 

[1981]

I think you're spot on with these names except maybe Armfield. Apart from last week he's provided a bit of spark for us.

Yes true I immed and erred about him
I am just conscious he's no spring chook and we have a number of small forwards now
There was a lot of conjecture last year whether he would get a contract

 

[1981]

Based on what logic?

Armfield is in the senior team right now and Tutt has been emergency a few times and one of our better VFL performers.

There are plenty that will be cut before those 2.

Obviously not based on your logic

 

[1981]

Being an Emerg means little when it's a list devoid of depth and talent

If anything the fact he's an Emerg says he's not viewed as good enough to be in the 22

He's only an Emerg bec he has some experience, not bec he's a good player

 

[Blue and Silver]

All right, I am going to wade in on Yarran for this one post.

I find the whole discussion about dodging issues with Yarran to be distasteful. He is a human being, in a bad place right now. He hasn't done anything wrong, or at least not criminal, but people are treating his serious struggle with personal issue like some sort of personal failing.

**** that.

Chris played some scintillating football for Carlton, but people are happy to kick him now he's gone. Take a long hard look at yourselves talking about how glad you are he is gone and think about him as a ****ing human being.

Good luck with all your endeavours Chris, I hope you get better and I hope the Carlton Football Club reaches out for you if you need us.

As far as I am concerned you'll always be the smiling kid in Navy.

 

[Lace_Out]

Very well said

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[Coops93]

All right, I am going to wade in on Yarran for this one post.

I find the whole discussion about dodging issues with Yarran to be distasteful. He is a human being, in a bad place right now. He hasn't done anything wrong, or at least not criminal, but people are treating his serious struggle with personal issue like some sort of personal failing.

**** that.

Chris played some scintillating football for Carlton, but people are happy to kick him now he's gone. Take a long hard look at yourselves talking about how glad you are he is gone and think about him as a ******* human being.

Good luck with all your endeavours Chris, I hope you get better and I hope the Carlton Football Club reaches out for you if you need us.

As far as I am concerned you'll always be the smiling kid in Navy.

Right, I do feel for him and don't think it's a personal failing for anything like that. I genuinely think he felt like he needed to leave the club and that would resolve his issue. Obviously it didn't and the issue he has is far greater than that, which he has now realized and is seeking proper treatment. That's a great step for him to take. I hope he gets better and returns playing football.
All I was saying was that in the end we've done well out of it. Tbh I'm not glad he's gone and I would rather have Yarran fit and firing at Carlton than what we got because in top form he is Andrew McCleod reincarnated, who mind you is my favorite player ever to watch, along with Kouta. But seeing as he has left the club and hasn't played a game yet, receiving a good pick for him has turned out well for us. Which says nothing about the situation he is in or the kind of person he is. It is merely stating that we managed to get a good draft pick for a guy who has yet to play a game for his new club. It's nothing personal against Chris, it's merely the business side of the industry talking.

I hope he gets well very soon.

 

[rp84]

i think he will develop in to a very good accumalator and user of the ball. major part of the engine room. not flashy but does a good job every week. he's not far away

I like your positivity. I hope you're right, but I dont see him ever been more than the 22nd guy on a list (at best). He probably won't stay around if we draft or or trade for better mids. He could find a place in a team surrounded by a lot of pace. We dont really have that.

 

[BluesRule]

With the points trading, which im sure you are aware, there is no point trading 1400 points (of our picks) for pick 10 (1400 points) from GWS. We would have to offer more points for them to have any benefit or want to do the trade.

Maybe not, as GWS lose the 20% discount if the player is to close to the actual pick. If the Collingwood pick is #7 and they use it to get McCredie at #6 due to another bidder they lose some of the benefit of the discount. Also the lower picks increase in value as picks are cancelled due to selections, so the lower picks are actually worth more.

 

[passmark]

Army is better than anyone on the list in the role/s he plays. His only competition at the moment is Dylan Buckley.

It's all well to say "play the kids" (which is about as relevant a statement to modern football as "don't kick across goals") but they may not be ready or simply don't exist to fill that role.

The club is being very clever in it's use of new kids as they don't want to have them smashed against bigger bodies and they want to avoid 100 point smashings.

 

[gandaal]

All right, I am going to wade in on Yarran for this one post.

I find the whole discussion about dodging issues with Yarran to be distasteful. He is a human being, in a bad place right now. He hasn't done anything wrong, or at least not criminal, but people are treating his serious struggle with personal issue like some sort of personal failing.

**** that.

Chris played some scintillating football for Carlton, but people are happy to kick him now he's gone. Take a long hard look at yourselves talking about how glad you are he is gone and think about him as a ******* human being.

Good luck with all your endeavours Chris, I hope you get better and I hope the Carlton Football Club reaches out for you if you need us.

As far as I am concerned you'll always be the smiling kid in Navy.

Great post

 

[Iamcarlton]

Based on what logic?

Armfield is in the senior team right now and Tutt has been emergency a few times and one of our better VFL performers.

There are plenty that will be cut before those 2.

I expect jaksch to be playing seniors this week and Tutt either this or next week if not then the selection committee are playing favorites over form . We saw what we can do admittedly against poor opposition by winning 4 in a row . Now it's time to find out about a number of players for the rest of the year fremantle style .