List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Leviticus]

Probably not the thread to discuss but can’t see Boyd, Roughead, Schache and Red all playing in the same team. Fight it out over the Summer boys

Yes, an interesting situation. Hopefully, Schache's got a defensive side to his game, a good endurance base and doesn't mind chasing back, plugging the holes in the press, etc. This might be where a few of us are looking at the likes of Z Cordy or Adams as the other tall forward, because Red and T Boyd/Roughead aren't much chop when the ball is going back the other way. But hey, we also had that luggard Stringer doing the same this season and it worked ok...oh wait.

 

[TedDougChris]

I am aware of that. He played a role but it’s not his best position. Imagine if you actually had a genuine CHF playing there who could actually kick goals.

A witch, burn him/her.....

 

[Wizard17]

Sooo Ed Richards... What type of player? Strengths/weaknesses, player comparison? Wizard17

Half back can play a bit in the middle. Really good skills, can win his own footy, got a good turn of pace. Needs to work on his endurance.

Bit of Heath Shaw stylistically.

 

[Pugz89]

Half back can play a bit in the middle. Really good skills, can win his own footy, got a good turn of pace. Needs to work on his endurance.

Bit of Heath Shaw stylistically.

Potential to play forward or not really?

 

[Wizard17]

Potential to play forward or not really?

A little bit but I prefer him behind the ball, designated kick out man. Can push forward and impact the scoreboard though.

 

[Pugz89]

A little bit but I prefer him behind the ball, designated kick out man. Can push forward and impact the scoreboard though.

So would probably take over JJ's role potentially?

 

[Mutt]

Four of those listed are developing players - we don't know if they're guns or not, for the most part. Hamling was delisted after three (?) years then played in a premiership and looks every bit a good, quality key defender at the level.

So what's my point? My point is that we need to invest in these guys. We have used the assets we have to get them in and now need to hold up our end of the bargain from a development standpoint. We have so many of them now that they're competing for game time, just as they're competing for time in similar roles. Without time spent in those roles, their development is going to face an uphill battle. Adams, Trengove, Roberts, Collins, Cordy, Young, Morris, Wood, Mullenger-McHugh and Naughton cannot realistically all play consistently in the roles and positions that we hope they grow into, and I see that as a big problem - even if one or two come off the list next year (which is no guarantee).

Competition for spots is undoubtedly a fantastic thing - but if you go too far and load up with too many developing players in the same position I strongly believe that can hinder player development.

Cordy, Morris and Wood don't play as key defenders. Young questionable also, as I think he's a mobile tall third defender or forward.

So realistic options to play CHB and Full Back are Adams (if he plays down back), Trengove, Roberts, Collins and maybe Mullenger-McHugh. We are hardly overloaded. Add Naughton and that gives us five or maybe six key defenders on a list of 44.

 

[dogwatch]

Probably worth re-posting the quick reference guide now, since it's getting close.

 

[stefoid]

On a needs basis, Coffield looks pretty good - he is technically quick (draft camp result), and going on his vids, he actually uses it in play and still kick it well when he does, and unlike your usual outside mid, he doesnt shirk it and is prepared to hang on to the ball if tackled.

Naughton would want to be a gun keypo to warrant picking ahead of him.

 

[Testekill]

Naughton at 9 doesn't fill me with confidence

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Combining the redhead clue, Unknown Identity's mail, and my own wishful thinking; I'm backing in Richards to be our pick at 9.

Please please please.

 

[Mutt]

Combining the redhead clue, Unknown Identity's mail, and my own wishful thinking; I'm backing in Richards to be our pick at 9.

Please please please.

Richards or Coffield at #9 sound alright to me. Murphy at #16.

 

[Testekill]

Richards does sound like a Dalrymple type being a late improver with strong qualities. He is a ranga and he's not a late birthday so we'll see about that.

 

[Doggy]

Richards or Coffield at #9 sound alright to me. Murphy at #16.

Coffield is saints bound.. to continue the tradition of picking players we want

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Cordy, Morris and Wood don't play as key defenders. Young questionable also, as I think he's a mobile tall third defender or forward.

So realistic options to play CHB and Full Back are Adams (if he plays down back), Trengove, Roberts, Collins and maybe Mullenger-McHugh. We are hardly overloaded. Add Naughton and that gives us five or maybe six key defenders on a list of 44.

They may not play as "key defenders" (although I would very much question your assertion that Cordy doesn't play a key position?) but I would argue that our system blurs the line between key defence and general defence. All of them are required to stand key forwards at various time points, all of them are required to intercept, and a lot of them rotate between acting as high, mid and deep defenders in our 2-2-2 formation (although some certainly have their pet zones, with Wood as a mid defender an example).

FB: Morris - Adams - Cordy
HB: Wood - Trengove - Johannisen

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FB: Mullenger-McHugh - Roberts - Young
HB: Naughton - Collins - Lynch

I'm just not seeing their roles as being different enough for them to fit and develop together. Alternatively, if we rotate heavily off the bench at VFL level we end up rotating the players that should spend most of the game on the ground, which does not prepare them for life at AFL level.

I see at least four AFL standard key defenders, and that's without me factoring in the fact that I have not given up on Collins and would happily keep Roberts for several more years as handy depth. I'm just not seeing a need to pick a key defender with such a high pick - particularly not when it's going to result in a backlog like I see happening.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Richards or Coffield at #9 sound alright to me. Murphy at #16.

I reckon St Kilda take Coffield sadly. Richards and Murphy is the best result at this point (excepting a wildcard Stephenson selection). We'd be lucky for Murphy to get past Sydney though.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

And hey if we take Naughton I'm sure I'll love him within 5 seconds of the pick having been made. I just don't think it's the smartest use of a pick 9 for us, unless he is categorically best available (which I don't personally believe).

 

[Rookie]

Please not Naughton.

The last time I was so opposed to strong pre-draft mail linking us to a player I didn't want was... Bont.

Carry on Dal!

 

[AJARWA]

Can someone please tell me who all of these gun key defenders are that we supposedly have?

Adams looks the goods but can't stay on the park.
Trengove is a proven tall defender. Not a gun but certainly AFL standard.
Roberts is barely AFL-standard despite being a Premiership player.
Collins is not yet and may never be AFL-standard.
Cordy is a third tall and can't stand a good key forward. Decent AFL player but not a gun key defender.
Young has shown promise but was monstered by the better key forwards. Might be better suited up forward or as a third tall defender as he is still quite slight of build.

So... AFL-standard key defenders...we have two. One of whom is no certainty to play each week due to foot injuries that take a long time to come good. And we may want to play Adams up forward anyway.

Why the angst about the possibility of taking a key defender if that's who Dalrymple rates as the best available?

Don't disagree with your point. But imo we have a much bigger need for pace and/or elite skills at 9. Not taking the opportunity to fill that need at 9 because naughton is best available would be a missed opportunity from my perspective.

 

[AJARWA]

Four of those listed are developing players - we don't know if they're guns or not, for the most part. Hamling was delisted after three (?) years then played in a premiership and looks every bit a good, quality key defender at the level.

So what's my point? My point is that we need to invest in these guys. We have used the assets we have to get them in and now need to hold up our end of the bargain from a development standpoint. We have so many of them now that they're competing for game time, just as they're competing for time in similar roles. Without time spent in those roles, their development is going to face an uphill battle. Adams, Trengove, Roberts, Collins, Cordy, Young, Morris, Wood, Mullenger-McHugh and Naughton cannot realistically all play consistently in the roles and positions that we hope they grow into, and I see that as a big problem - even if one or two come off the list next year (which is no guarantee).

Competition for spots is undoubtedly a fantastic thing - but if you go too far and load up with too many developing players in the same position I strongly believe that can hinder player development.

From memory Roberts, Collins and Adams all signed contract extensions this year too. I take Mutts point and agree our kpd's mostly aren't up to standard yet. Potentially evidenced by the short contracts offered to above three. But surely the club doesn't re-sign three kpd's if it has strong enough doubts over them to justify using out top pick on another KPD six months later. Or maybe they know something we don't. Personally I'm not buying the naughton talk.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Probably not the thread to discuss but can’t see Boyd, Roughead, Schache and Red all playing in the same team. Fight it out over the Summer boys

Completely agree, let alone swinging Cordy or Adams up there as well.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Half back can play a bit in the middle. Really good skills, can win his own footy, got a good turn of pace. Needs to work on his endurance.

Bit of Heath Shaw stylistically.

But not as a big a c**t as Heath Shaw I assume.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Ed Richards fits into what I'm hearing/my mail (without personally having heard any names) about our prioritisation of good kicks around this draft.

Probably should have posted it in this thread earlier but oh well, I'm expecting our last pick to be a good kick as well.

 

[VitalDread]

not a fan of Richards at pick 9, got Grant vibes about taking him early

 

[maddog37]

Hasn't Naughton shown huge improvement in the last twelve months too?