2017 Draft thread

[BerryGood13]

Heard KB on a footy show tonight say that a northern club was offering Dustin 13 mil over 10 yrs. Hope it is not us.

That would make him 36/37 at the end of that contract. That is insane.

 

[lions27]

View attachment 396771 Anyone seen the Fox Footy article by Jake Niall saying how we would look at options to trade pick one if it was an exceptional deal ( if we finish bottom - which I don't think we will)?

Interesting reading the comments on this article on the FF Facebook page.... stumbled on this from Rayner...

Sensing a strong sense of sarcasm that he's not all that heartbroken with the idea? Or is it just me?

It's a Facebook post

 

[BigCat2]

I would probably do that if the quality of the first round is as even as it seems to be. Would leave us with 7,8,14,18.

Console said we're happy with the top end of the draft, 4-5-6 good kids in it. Picks 7 and 8 would be outside of that. Not sure if worth sliding for an extra pick.

 

[M Malice]

Console said we're happy with the top end of the draft, 4-5-6 good kids in it. Picks 7 and 8 would be outside of that. Not sure if worth sliding for an extra pick.

Spot on BC2, bearing the bolded in mind IMO we would not consider swapping our unlikely pick 1 for picks outside the top 6 or 7. I would much prefer we keep it and try and upgrade into the top 6-7 with Ports pick and our start of 2nd rounder.

1) If we had say picks 2 and 7 we would be unlikely to have to match a bid on Ballenden with either of those 2 picks.
2) We have a realistic chance of getting 2 top end mid talents eg. Dow, Worpel, Stephenson, Cerra, Rayner, Constable.
3) If we just had picks 7 and 8 we would probably miss out on the above players and have to settle for the next level talent.
4) We will surge up the ladder in 2018 so this could be our last chance for a while to get in elite rated talent.

 

[POBT]

Console said we're happy with the top end of the draft, 4-5-6 good kids in it. Picks 7 and 8 would be outside of that. Not sure if worth sliding for an extra pick.

Not sure that's exactly what Conole said. I thought he said we were considering 5 or 6 players for pick one. We could still rate the next group, just not highly enough to use pick 1.

If we decide the gap between the first and second tier is not significant, then we could still entertain the suggested trade.

My gut feel is that we'd want more like pick 5 and pick 8 to even think about a trade though.

 

[winged1]

IF there is no clear top pick and IF the top end is rated relatively even. I think it would be smart to trade pick 1 and try for 4 picks in the top 20.

If Ballenden slides a little we could plug a few holes, quickly. The draft kids from last year have shown, if good enough, they can come in and make an impact

 

[Lazza16]

Spot on BC2, bearing the bolded in mind IMO we would not consider swapping our unlikely pick 1 for picks outside the top 6 or 7. I would much prefer we keep it and try and upgrade into the top 6-7 with Ports pick and our start of 2nd rounder.

1) If we had say picks 2 and 7 we would be unlikely to have to match a bid on Ballenden with either of those 2 picks.
2) We have a realistic chance of getting 2 top end mid talents eg. Dow, Worpel, Stephenson, Cerra, Rayner, Constable.
3) If we just had picks 7 and 8 we would probably miss out on the above players and have to settle for the next level talent.
4) We will surge up the ladder in 2018 so this could be our last chance for a while to get in elite rated talent.

Of course the 7 n 8 depends on where the saints and hawks end up on the ladder.

 

[winged1]

Of course the 7 n 8 depends on where the saints and hawks end up on the ladder.

Hopefully Rayner becomes clear no 1 pick and we do get a great deal.

 

[Fatcat08]

If it's such an even draft then I struggle to see why a team would want to pony up two first round draft picks for one high one. If there was a real clear cut number 1 that filled a need for someone but not us then possibly, but with all the top prospects being mids/forwards then not too many teams have a bigger need than us for that type of player.

Still there's a lot of chips left fall this post season with Kelly and Martin probably having a big bearing on us. If Kelly went to the Roos and he's had 2 then they may entertain the idea of trading for 1 to nab someone like rayner, similar to last year. If Richmond lose dusty then it will be band 1 compo or a good trade so they may be a chance too, albeit without the currency to really make a play.

Gc are an interesting one. They could really use a player like Rayner for their forward line, would balance them nicely and they have a few seconds round picks in a row as well. Not quite high enough for my liking but they've got currency to work with to get something done

 

[chopperduck]

Not sure that's exactly what Conole said. I thought he said we were considering 5 or 6 players for pick one. We could still rate the next group, just not highly enough to use pick 1.

If we decide the gap between the first and second tier is not significant, then we could still entertain the suggested trade.

My gut feel is that we'd want more like pick 5 and pick 8 to even think about a trade though.

I think we would want at least 1 top 5 pick. I would certainly look at something like 7 & 8. Still a lot of time to go, i would expect the top 10 to be pretty even come the end of the year. If we are looking at 4-6 kids at pick 1, chances are come draft time 1 or 2 of them will slip down to the back end of the top 10. Chance to add another 2 top 10 picks, and then hopefully even squeeze Port in at pick 14 or 15 to make 3 top 15 picks then grab Ballenden at 18 hopefully sliding back would be a great outcome.

Generally you want talent and quality over quantity, but we are still at the stage where we do need multiple midfielders. Our team balance right now is pretty good in terms of senior players to young players, but we still need replacements for 4-6 years when those senior guys retire. We have drafted well so far, but 1 or 2 more good drafts and we are just about set. By the time the senior core are gone, we will have a very talented group of players all hitting the 24-27 type age bracket. We could see a 5 year period of sustained success.

 

[SizeMatters]

Trade pick 1 for Saints 2 first rounders.

On trade the last of the Saint first rounders + ports first rounder for a pick in the top 5. Ballenden will not take up Ports pick then.

Could have something like pick 3/4 + 6 to play with as well as CC.

 

[xplo]

If next year looks like a stronger draft, I'd be happier trading down to pick 5-6 this year, and get another pick next year.

There appear to be more footballers with a question mark over their speed or foot skills or both in this crop. We probably take Ballenden and or Payne. We did great with Berry, Witherden and Cox last year, but, I don't know.. I'm not seeing similar opportunities as much this year.

Do we need to be working to engineer more picks in this draft?

 

[winged1]

Do we need to be working to engineer more picks in this draft?

Short answer is no

But if the top end is even, getting an extra first rounder has got to be beneficial.

Having said that I don't think we will have pick 1 or potentially 2 anyway.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

If we end up with pick 3, our chances of trading that for anything really meaningful are greatly reduced.

 

[chopperduck]

If next year looks like a stronger draft, I'd be happier trading down to pick 5-6 this year, and get another pick next year.

There appear to be more footballers with a question mark over their speed or foot skills or both in this crop. We probably take Ballenden and or Payne. We did great with Berry, Witherden and Cox last year, but, I don't know.. I'm not seeing similar opportunities as much this year.

Do we need to be working to engineer more picks in this draft?

Not really, but we dont have many picks after our pick 18. So it is more of a case of what we want. we have 3 top 20 picks, if we use 1 in a trade for Cameron and 1 on Ballenden it only leaves 1 pick in this draft. So would depend on how many spots we want to fill, and how we rate this draft.

If we werent having too many list changes this year, we could look to change pick 1 for a pick this year and one next year. That would essentially produce 3 top 25 picks this year and next year which would hold us in good stead. could see a couple of clubs giving up their first pick this year and next year to get pick 1 this year, especiialy those in the hunt for FA.

 

[M Malice]

I wouldn't be for trading a high pick this year for one next year, too much of a lottery, we could trade with a team that surges and end up with pick 15-18 when we could have had one or two in the top 10 this year. Virtually all the draft assessments I have been reading say there is a strong core 5-7 very good players followed by another solid group and then it drops off dramatically after around pick 40-45. My ever changing wish list for draft night is currently as follows.

Our first pick 1-3- Paddy Dow.
Our 2nd pick (Port implodes) 9-12- Jaidyn Stephenson if he's gone hopefully Lochie O'Brien or Nick Coffield isn't.
Our 2nd pick 18-20- (our traditional draft night slider) preferred in order- James Worpel, Darcy Fogarty, Jack Higgins.

Match bid on Ballenden.
Rookie- Adam Sambono, Liam Ryan.

 

[jjami15]

I wouldn't be for trading a high pick this year for one next year, too much of a lottery, we could trade with a team that surges and end up with pick 15-18 when we could have had one or two in the top 10 this year. Virtually all the draft assessments I have been reading say there is a strong core 5-7 very good players followed by another solid group and then it drops off dramatically after around pick 40-45. My ever changing wish list for draft night is currently as follows.

Our first pick 1-3- Paddy Dow.
Our 2nd pick (Port implodes) 9-12- Jaidyn Stephenson if he's gone hopefully Lochie O'Brien or Nick Coffield isn't.
Our 2nd pick 18-20- (our traditional draft night slider) preferred in order- James Worpel, Darcy Fogarty, Jack Higgins.

Match bid on Ballenden.
Rookie- Adam Sambono, Liam Ryan.

Agree Jpm, firstly I don't see us having pick 1 and at that end 2/3 we draft the best player there. Would be very happy for Lochie O'Brien at Ports pick and I do like Andy Bradshaw or Matt Ling at our second.

 

[M Malice]

Not good.

Cam Rayner played in private school semi final today. His team lost and reports from Brett Anderson and others on twitter is that Rayner just went through the motions, no defensive effort (was called lazy) when playing in the midfield.

 

[Nunez]

Not good.

Cam Rayner played in private school semi final today. His team lost and reports from Brett Anderson and others on twitter is that Rayner just went through the motions, no defensive effort (was called lazy) when playing in the midfield.

To be fair it is a high school footy match.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Not good.

Cam Rayner played in private school semi final today. His team lost and reports from Brett Anderson and others on twitter is that Rayner just went through the motions, no defensive effort (was called lazy) when playing in the midfield.

Why not good?

Personally I have no interest in Rayner not for a top 3 pick anyway. We need a proper midfielder not a sort of one with no endurance

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

To be fair it is a high school footy match.

Scouts pay a fair bit of attention to the AGS/APS footy down here.

 

[Nunez]

Scouts pay a fair bit of attention to the AGS/APS footy down here.

Surely as a youngster they'd be the games you'd care least about though right?

 

[Ruse]

When do we find out if we're getting a priority pick?

 

[jackess]

When do we find out if we're getting a priority pick?

When we beat the Suns and North and finish 16th

 

[Nunez]

When we beat the Eagles, Dogs, Suns, Melbourne and North and finish 13th

Efa