Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[HereComesJuddy]

Give me shiel over Sloane anyday


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Shiel is the following year

 

[Keyza]

Will we be having a crack at Sloane next year as a free agent?

Why not? We have the salary cap space and it would be fun just to annoy the Crows supporters.

 

[F_therest]

Will we be having a crack at Sloane next year as a free agent?

Doubt it.

I don't think he's quite what we need given we have Ed, Crippa & Kennedy. Plus Adelaide will force a trade like they did with Dangerfield.

I mean he's obviously a star who would improve our team, but i think realistically there are more suitable targets like Gaff who i think suits our needs better and more likely WC won't match so he'll be free.

Sloane probably a better fit for a team that really needs inside mids like St Kilda or Essendon.

 

[Coona Blues]

Doubt it.

I don't think he's quite what we need given we have Ed, Crippa & Kennedy. Plus Adelaide will force a trade like they did with Dangerfield.

I mean he's obviously a star who would improve our team, but i think realistically there are more suitable targets like Gaff who i think suits our needs better and more likely WC won't match so he'll be free.

Sloane probably a better fit for a team that really needs inside mids like St Kilda or Essendon.

Unrestricted, Crows can't force a trade.
If we want him and outbid the other suitors, he would be ours.....simples. Does add some attraction, then we have to weigh up
age and who may have "committed" for the future

 

[DangerousD]

Give me shiel over Sloane anyday


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Shiel isn;t available

 

[JustaBattler]

Scratch the surface and the 'Old Carlton' mentality crawls out of the woodwork ...time diminishes so called great players and promotes the young IF the right young ones are drafted and developed correctly that is all that is required.

 

[Moody Blue]

Moods, why am I getting the feeling your weekend hasn't gone as you would have liked?

Sick of hearing from the 'optimists' that everything will miraculously happen, without putting one moment's thought into what they are writing.
We have a lot of potential and players are slowly coming through, and we have managed to stabilize the back line, however our midfield is still in the bottom 3-5 in the league, and Kennedy will really have to step up to cover for loss of Gibbs. We are one injury away from catastrophe in the ruck, with nobody to back up Kreuzer. We have dysfunctional forward line, being headed by the most dysfunctional of them all in Casboult, but everything will somehow fix itself. No problem in signing journey men like Palmer, Sumner, Whiley and all of the rest, but suggest we recruit a goal kicker, it is like I am proposing we change the club colors.

 

[HalAlaric]

Cannot wait for 2018!!!

CARLTON BLUES
FB: SIMPSON – JONES – WEITERING
HBF: PLOWMAN – MARCHBANK – DOCHERTY
C: PETREVSKI-SETON – CRIPPS - LANG
HFF: WRIGHT – McKAY – KENNEDY
FF: C.CURNOW – CASBOULT – PICKETT
R: KREUZER – E.CURNOW – MURPHY (C)
I: BYRNE – J.SILVAGNI – CUNINGHAM – FISHER

NORTHERN
FB: MACREADIE – ROWE – GLASS-McCASKER
HBF: MULLETT – A.SILVAGNI – WILLIAMSON
C: 10 HIGGINS/O’BRIEN – 3 DOW – 30 GIRO/L.FOGARTY
HFF: POLSON – KERR – THOMAS
FF: LAMB – LOBBE - LEBOIS
R: PHILLIPS – KERRIDGE - GRAHAM
I: 73 RYAN/SAMBONO – R3 PENRITH – R21 HICKMONT – R39 CADBI – IR DREW MARTIN (USA)

 

[JustaBattler]

Sick of hearing from the 'optimists' that everything will miraculously happen, without putting one moment's thought into what they are writing.
We have a lot of potential and players are slowly coming through, and we have managed to stabilize the back line, however our midfield is still in the bottom 3-5 in the league, and Kennedy will really have to step up to cover for loss of Gibbs. We are one injury away from catastrophe in the ruck, with nobody to back up Kreuzer. We have dysfunctional forward line, being headed by the most dysfunctional of them all in Casboult, but everything will somehow fix itself. No problem in signing journey men like Palmer, Sumner, Whiley and all of the rest, but suggest we recruit a goal kicker, it is like I am proposing we change the club colors.

Backline seems very sorted - big tick.

Midfield is a disaster zone - needs fixing, and the only way to do it is to use every F**** draft pick on mids and develop develop develop.

Forward line needs proper coaching - which cant happen until you have a midfield capable of actually winning a clearance or two and actually kicking to advantage - which is hard when everyone just kicks an up and under to someone being double teamed. I guess that is why Teague has been head hunted - yeah?

So what?

We will strill win a few against fancier opponents having a bad day and lose too many to similar Clubs like ourselves.

 

[Soapy V]

Backline seems very sorted - big tick.

Midfield is a disaster zone - needs fixing, and the only way to do it is to use every F**** draft pick on mids and develop develop develop.

Forward line needs proper coaching - which cant happen until you have a midfield capable of actually winning a clearance or two and actually kicking to advantage - which is hard when everyone just kicks an up and under to someone being double teamed. I guess that is why Teague has been head hunted - yeah?

So what?

We will strill win a few against fancier opponents having a bad day and lose too many to similar Clubs like ourselves.

Backline is set. Will be great. Incredible talent and importantly will develop together like Geelong did

Midfield is young and developing. Lots of upside. Murphy & Curnow are the old heads. Cripps is elite but has lots more growth, SPS Charlie Pickett are elite in the making. Kennedy is ready to really step up and will be very good in the Callum Ward type. Lang is handy and there is real hope in Cuningham Fisher & Polson. We will then add more midfield talent with Picks 3 & 10. Maybe even 30.

Next year we will add some more and mostly probably a ready made elite player. We have some good picks already

Better midfield will help forward line. McKay will be ready to step up when the midfield does. Silvagni as well. Kerr has potential.

Seriously how much do people expect 2 years into a rebuild? Looks as good as could be hoped IMO

 

[Captain crippa]

Sick of hearing from the 'optimists' that everything will miraculously happen, without putting one moment's thought into what they are writing.
We have a lot of potential and players are slowly coming through, and we have managed to stabilize the back line, however our midfield is still in the bottom 3-5 in the league, and Kennedy will really have to step up to cover for loss of Gibbs. We are one injury away from catastrophe in the ruck, with nobody to back up Kreuzer. We have dysfunctional forward line, being headed by the most dysfunctional of them all in Casboult, but everything will somehow fix itself. No problem in signing journey men like Palmer, Sumner, Whiley and all of the rest, but suggest we recruit a goal kicker, it is like I am proposing we change the club colors.

You sum up your user name quite well

 

[footyfan1978]

Somebody has got I don't like Monday's playing in back of his mind as he thinks.

 

[Aphrodite]

Sick of hearing from the 'optimists' that everything will miraculously happen, without putting one moment's thought into what they are writing.
We have a lot of potential and players are slowly coming through, and we have managed to stabilize the back line, however our midfield is still in the bottom 3-5 in the league, and Kennedy will really have to step up to cover for loss of Gibbs. We are one injury away from catastrophe in the ruck, with nobody to back up Kreuzer. We have dysfunctional forward line, being headed by the most dysfunctional of them all in Casboult, but everything will somehow fix itself. No problem in signing journey men like Palmer, Sumner, Whiley and all of the rest, but suggest we recruit a goal kicker, it is like I am proposing we change the club colors.

Crameri is not the answer.

Chillax Moody!

 

[Gethelred]

Sick of hearing from the 'optimists' that everything will miraculously happen, without putting one moment's thought into what they are writing.
We have a lot of potential and players are slowly coming through, and we have managed to stabilize the back line, however our midfield is still in the bottom 3-5 in the league, and Kennedy will really have to step up to cover for loss of Gibbs. We are one injury away from catastrophe in the ruck, with nobody to back up Kreuzer. We have dysfunctional forward line, being headed by the most dysfunctional of them all in Casboult, but everything will somehow fix itself. No problem in signing journey men like Palmer, Sumner, Whiley and all of the rest, but suggest we recruit a goal kicker, it is like I am proposing we change the club colors.

Let me know if you need any help getting all the toys back into the cot.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Backline is set. Will be great. Incredible talent and importantly will develop together like Geelong did

Midfield is young and developing. Lots of upside. Murphy & Curnow are the old heads. Cripps is elite but has lots more growth, SPS Charlie Pickett are elite in the making. Kennedy is ready to really step up and will be very good in the Callum Ward type. Lang is handy and there is real hope in Cuningham Fisher & Polson. We will then add more midfield talent with Picks 3 & 10. Maybe even 30.

Next year we will add some more and mostly probably a ready made elite player. We have some good picks already

Better midfield will help forward line. McKay will be ready to step up when the midfield does. Silvagni as well. Kerr has potential.

Seriously how much do people expect 2 years into a rebuild? Looks as good as could be hoped IMO

Pickett can't be elite in the making
He doesn't have a tank and is unlikely to ever develop one
He's a burst player

 

[Robertio]

Pickett can't be elite in the making
He doesn't have a tank and is unlikely to ever develop one
He's a burst player

He's an elite burst player then.

 

[Soapy V]

Pickett can't be elite in the making
He doesn't have a tank and is unlikely to ever develop one
He's a burst player

That's the bit you took from the whole post?

Anyway I disagree. His improvement during the year was impressive. Showed he is switched on and working hard and above all showed he can be a game changer. Has all the skills and more. No doubt IMO he is an elite talent. His tank improved a lot and if he can keep going will be a mid. Was as a junior before injured and can be again.

Could become an absolute steal

 

[Soapy V]

Somebody has got I don't like Monday's playing in back of his mind as he thinks.

Some people just want to see the world burn

 

[Robertio]

That's the bit you took from the whole post?

Anyway I disagree. His improvement during the year was impressive. Showed he is switched on and working hard and above all showed he can be a game changer. Has all the skills and more. No dount IMO he is an elite talent. His tank improved a lot and if he can keep going will be a mid. Was as a junior before injured and can be again.

Could become an absolute steal

He'll be a game changer for sure, and he's still pretty young.

 

[HARKER]

That's the bit you took from the whole post?
Could become an absolute steal

I'd say he's a steal already.

Seems as though he's bought into Boltons way and that can't be a bad thing.
One of many I'm looking forward to next year.........and high in my rankings.

 

[Gethelred]

That's the bit you took from the whole post?

Anyway I disagree. His improvement during the year was impressive. Showed he is switched on and working hard and above all showed he can be a game changer. Has all the skills and more. No dount IMO he is an elite talent. His tank improved a lot and if he can keep going will be a mid. Was as a junior before injured and can be again.

Could become an absolute steal

I don't see how anyone who watched him this year could think he could be a forward pocket; a flanker, sure, but a goal kicking, hard tackling small forward? The Paul Puopolo/Cyril Rioli low possession/high impact player?

To be that sort of footballer, you need a number of things, but one of the most important is a little bit of selfishness. You need to not just be the one to kick the goals, but you almost have to want to take them off your teammates, to burn them at the risk of taking glory into your own hands. It's in almost believing that you're the only one who can do it, and so you take every single opportunity; you hoard them, you do the spectacular over the specific or the unselfish.

Pickett's not that player, despite having the attributes physically, and that's not a bad thing. He doesn't have that selfish bone in him, he constantly looks for his teammates, and brings them into the game with his own singularly incredible disposal. I saw one of the games he played VFL - where he looked as though he wasn't even playing on the same ground as the opposition, let alone playing the same game - where he read a tap straight off Phillips hand, took it within the stoppage, and speared a fifty/sixty metre pass to a player who was almost genuinely in the centre of the ground when he kicked it, but was drawn 40 metres to the ball drop where he marked unopposed. He was literally out before he knew it, drawn into the perfect position by a one touch player with a perfect kick.

He doesn't shape as a small forward for mine; he shapes as an good outside midfielder at worst, but an in/out linebreaker like Daniel Wells at best, and the best bit about all of it is that he has the work ethic - granted, given only this year as a sample size - to achieve.

 

[WFGodot]

Sick of hearing from the 'optimists' that everything will miraculously happen, without putting one moment's thought into what they are writing.
We have a lot of potential and players are slowly coming through, and we have managed to stabilize the back line, however our midfield is still in the bottom 3-5 in the league, and Kennedy will really have to step up to cover for loss of Gibbs. We are one injury away from catastrophe in the ruck, with nobody to back up Kreuzer. We have dysfunctional forward line, being headed by the most dysfunctional of them all in Casboult, but everything will somehow fix itself. No problem in signing journey men like Palmer, Sumner, Whiley and all of the rest, but suggest we recruit a goal kicker, it is like I am proposing we change the club colors.

Wow, not having a great time Moody?
We will draft at least one mid gun, possibly two and have traded in two. We get a fit E Curnow and Cripps back, Gibbs is a loss but so what, we got the picks we wanted, thats a win overall!
Lobbe was picked up to cover a Kruezer breakdown, Phillips is still on our list... its not that half empty.
I think our backline is looking very good and the only obvious gap is where we find our goals. We all know we are closing in on an all-time record of consecutive < 100 point games.
Why not be positive and say McKay becomes a proper target, SOJ continues to improve, C Curnow does what we all expect and our small forwards camp under Big Levi to give us a few. Who's small that I think will kick goals? Fisher, SPS, Pickett, Cunningham, Wright... even Thomas.
Where I agree with you is that we are 6-8 (ready made) players short of better sides and injuries and fatigue will likely see us slip up in the back half of the season BUT I'm at peace with that and am really looking forward to watching these kids turn into men. Fun times ahead, albeit with some pain mixed in...

 

[CJMB]

I don't see how anyone who watched him this year could think he could be a forward pocket; a flanker, sure, but a goal kicking, hard tackling small forward? The Paul Puopolo/Cyril Rioli low possession/high impact player?

To be that sort of footballer, you need a number of things, but one of the most important is a little bit of selfishness. You need to not just be the one to kick the goals, but you almost have to want to take them off your teammates, to burn them at the risk of taking glory into your own hands. It's in almost believing that you're the only one who can do it, and so you take every single opportunity; you hoard them, you do the spectacular over the specific or the unselfish.

Pickett's not that player, despite having the attributes physically, and that's not a bad thing. He doesn't have that selfish bone in him, he constantly looks for his teammates, and brings them into the game with his own singularly incredible disposal. I saw one of the games he played VFL - where he looked as though he wasn't even playing on the same ground as the opposition, let alone playing the same game - where he read a tap straight off Phillips hand, took it within the stoppage, and speared a fifty/sixty metre pass to a player who was almost genuinely in the centre of the ground when he kicked it, but was drawn 40 metres to the ball drop where he marked unopposed. He was literally out before he knew it, drawn into the perfect position by a one touch player with a perfect kick.

He doesn't shape as a small forward for mine; he shapes as an good outside midfielder at worst, but an in/out linebreaker like Daniel Wells at best, and the best bit about all of it is that he has the work ethic - granted, given only this year as a sample size - to achieve.

Some of that might be his confidence levels, something I expect we'll see develop over the next year or two now that he's getting regular games and hopefully a clear run without injuries *touch wood*. I think if he gets a good run at it he could be a bit of everything that you mentioned; in/out linebreaker, outside mid AND high impact small forward.

 

[thylacine60]

He'll be a game changer for sure, and he's still pretty young.

BIG call.

 

[Soapy V]

I don't see how anyone who watched him this year could think he could be a forward pocket; a flanker, sure, but a goal kicking, hard tackling small forward? The Paul Puopolo/Cyril Rioli low possession/high impact player?

To be that sort of footballer, you need a number of things, but one of the most important is a little bit of selfishness. You need to not just be the one to kick the goals, but you almost have to want to take them off your teammates, to burn them at the risk of taking glory into your own hands. It's in almost believing that you're the only one who can do it, and so you take every single opportunity; you hoard them, you do the spectacular over the specific or the unselfish.

Pickett's not that player, despite having the attributes physically, and that's not a bad thing. He doesn't have that selfish bone in him, he constantly looks for his teammates, and brings them into the game with his own singularly incredible disposal. I saw one of the games he played VFL - where he looked as though he wasn't even playing on the same ground as the opposition, let alone playing the same game - where he read a tap straight off Phillips hand, took it within the stoppage, and speared a fifty/sixty metre pass to a player who was almost genuinely in the centre of the ground when he kicked it, but was drawn 40 metres to the ball drop where he marked unopposed. He was literally out before he knew it, drawn into the perfect position by a one touch player with a perfect kick.

He doesn't shape as a small forward for mine; he shapes as an good outside midfielder at worst, but an in/out linebreaker like Daniel Wells at best, and the best bit about all of it is that he has the work ethic - granted, given only this year as a sample size - to achieve.

Daniel Wells isn't a bad comparison. It was his change in body shape and running ability that really impressed me last season. That doesn't happen easily. I can see him being a very damaging wing type player with the some time in the middle. Maybe even HB. He is very very quick, tough and gets involved. Rare talent IMO. Just needs to keep working hard and I believe it will come for him.