Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II

[RudyBlue]

Are you really that unimaginative here ??

If you want to move on 15 players, you simply delist them.

Replacing them with?

 

[HARKER]

Are you really that unimaginative here ??

If you want to move on 15 players, you simply delist them.

Why didn't I think of that?

Now the hard part LordLucifer
Show us how we'll replace them.

e.g. Graham goes out - Pick #3 come in.

Now do that 14 more times, given the picks we have and take into account trades etc.....as much as you want. Can you do it?

 

[Soapy V]

Why didn't I think of that?

Now the hard part LordLucifer
Show us how we'll replace them.

e.g. Graham goes out - Pick #3 come in.

Now do that 14 more times, given the picks we have and take into account trades etc.....as much as you want. Can you do it?

There are so many ways.

Draft Picks
Rookie Picks
Rookie Upgrades
Trading Future Picks
Trading early picks for multiple later picks (anyone remember how we got Polson Kerr & Williamson?)
Trading for players and bringing in a steak knife (ala Palmer)
Free Agents
International Rookies
Delisted Free Agents
Gibbs for 2 picks

If SOS wants to delist 15 he will. He has done close to that over the past 2 years. No reason he won't do it again. The 66 game rebuild is not over and nothing has changed

 

[Azul]

Quite a few of the players we want to drop are mids.

Cull: Graham, Boekhorst, Buckley, Palmer, Smedts, Sumner, Armfield, White and Sheehan.

Palmer & Buckley 1 game, Armfield and Sheehan 2 games, Boekhorst 3 games, Sumner 4 games. Smedts 5 games, It's fair to say we wouldn't miss many of them.

 

[choo]

Interesting about Jones. I know he is doing well in defence but the best game I thought he played in the reserves this year was in the ruck

It has begun!!!

 

[HARKER]

There are so many ways.

Draft Picks
Rookie Picks
Rookie Upgrades
Trading Future Picks
Trading early picks for multiple later picks (anyone remember how we got Polson Kerr & Williamson?)
Trading for players and bringing in a steak knife (ala Palmer)
Free Agents
International Rookies
Delisted Free Agents
Gibbs for 2 picks

If SOS wants to delist 15 he will. He has done close to that over the past 2 years. No reason he won't do it again. The 66 game rebuild is not over and nothing has changed

Are you up for the challenge Soapy V ?
Clearly LordLucifer isn't.

Give it a shot, but I think it will prove to be a lot harder than you think.

 

[HARKER]

Interesting about Jones. I know he is doing well in defence but the best game I thought he played in the reserves this year was in the ruck

Did you see the Sandy game?

He was good when playing ruck though.
Much smarter with his body than I would have thought possible.

 

[Soapy V]

Are you up for the challenge Soapy V ?
Clearly LordLucifer isn't.

Give it a shot, but I think it will prove to be a lot harder than you think.

Bottom line is we don't know what will happen but to say SOS wont make wholesale changes is wrong. Our list still lacks depth and quality (although greatly improved). There are still major changes to come. As I said it is a 66 game rebuild hasn't finished and swapping up to 15 names isn't out of the question and can definitely happen by the mechanisms I've listed. A number of players will be waiting to see what we do during trade week to see if they have a contract for 2018

I expect Armfield Buckley Boekhurst Thomas Gorringe Jaksch Sumner Palmer gone at the end of the year plus a 2-4 of Sheehan G-Mac Graham Smedts Gallucci Korcheck White then maybe Casboult & Gibbs.

If people doubt it just look at how many we have changed over the past 2 years

 

[Soapy V]

Did you see the Sandy game?

He was good when playing ruck though.
Much smarter with his body than I would have thought possible.

Yes. I thought he good

 

[HARKER]

Bottom line is we don't know what will happen but to say SOS wont make wholesale changes is wrong. Our list still lacks depth and quality (although greatly improved). There are still major changes to come. As I said it is a 66 game rebuild hasn't finished and swapping up to 15 names isn't out of the question and can definitely happen by the mechanisms I've listed.

I expect Armfield Buckley Boekhurst Thomas Gorringe Jaksch Sumner Palmer gone at the end of the year plus a 2-4 of Sheehan G-Mac Graham Smedts Gallucci Korcheck White then maybe Casboult & Gibbs.

If people doubt it just look at how many we have changed over the past 2 years

Here's what I see:

1. We don't have a second rounder this year.
2. The draft is shallow, so why dip in deep in a. The ND b. The RD?
3. Very unlikely we'll be doing any 4 for one deals. If anything it may be the other way around i.e. 2 picks/players for one player.
4. We will not be seeking Free Agents.
5. We want to bring in 20-24 yos
6. Does Bolton want another run of 8-10 18 year olds?

So how do we turn over 15 players?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Palmer & Buckley 1 game, Armfield and Sheehan 2 games, Boekhorst 3 games, Sumner 4 games. Smedts 5 games, It's fair to say we wouldn't miss many of them.

That's because we've had a good injury run this year.

Imagine Gibbs or Murphy goes down early on...

 

[Azul]

Are you up for the challenge Soapy V ?
Clearly LordLucifer isn't.

Give it a shot, but I think it will prove to be a lot harder than you think.

Kelly (pick 2 and Gibbs pick)
Swap 2018 first for Hawthorn's 2017 first (7th) currently owned by St Kilda and future later round St Kilda pick
Adelaide player (Gibbs steak-knives)
GWS player (Kelly steak-knives)
pick 18 Priority (17th finish, 5 wins)
pick 20 Free agency compo (Casboult)
3rd rounder
4th rounder (match bid on Penrith)
4th rounder GWS (Kelly deal)
5th rounder
6th rounder (umatched bid and last pick in the draft father son, Hickmott)
rookie pick 1
rookie pick 2
International Rookie 1 Ireland
International Rookie 2 USA

 

[Soapy V]

Here's what I see:

1. We don't have a second rounder this year.
2. The draft is shallow, so why dip in deep in a. The ND b. The RD?
3. Very unlikely we'll be doing any 4 for one deals. If anything it may be the other way around i.e. 2 picks/players for one player.
4. We will not be seeking Free Agents.
5. We want to bring in 20-24 yos
6. Does Bolton want another run of 8-10 18 year olds?

So how do we turn over 15 players?

I'm not ruling anything out. As like last year SOS will do things no one has anticipated.

If we get Kelly and use 2 picks it makes it hard but if we trade Gibbs for 2 picks it opens up options. Casboult going gives us another pick.

I also wouldn't be surprised if SOS tries to stockpile picks for the 2018 draft

My guess is 8-10 changes but who knows. Still lots to do with our list and bottom line is I expect around 20 changes over the next 2 years as SOS builds a Premiership list and one for sustained success

 

[Azul]

That's because we've had a good injury run this year.

Imagine Gibbs or Murphy goes down early on...

We've had a reasonable injury run and yet we'll still finish bottom 3. Losing one or two players isn't going to make a skerrick of difference and will only give Bolton scope to try things like Doc, Charlie and Willo with greater midfield minutes.

 

[thylacine60]

Yes. I thought he good

milkcrate disease......

 

[HARKER]

I'm not ruling anything out. As like last year SOS will do things no one has anticipated.

If we get Kelly and use 2 picks it makes it hard but if we trade Gibbs for 2 picks it opens up options. Casboult going gives us another pick.

I also wouldn't be surprised if SOS tries to stockpile picks for the 2018 draft

My guess is 8-10 changes but who knows. Still lots to do with our list and bottom line is I expect around 20 changes over the next 2 years as SOS builds a Premiership list and one for sustained success

So you won't take the challenge on then, Soapy?

It's OK as it wasn't your call, but I just think it's much harder than for what was put forward initially; "Just delist 15 players"

 

[Soapy V]

So you won't take the challenge on then, Soapy?

It's OK as it wasn't your call, but I just think it's much harder than for what was put forward initially; "Just delist 15 players"

I did list a heap of ways it can be done [emoji4]

 

[HARKER]

I did list a heap of ways it can be done [emoji4]

No, no, no...

You got to give me an out and an in. It's not that easy.

I'll give it a go for the fun of it later tonight or tomorrow, but I do think that I will fail.

 

[LordLucifer]

So you won't take the challenge on then, Soapy?

It's OK as it wasn't your call, but I just think it's much harder than for what was put forward initially; "Just delist 15 players"

You asked "how do you move on 15 players", I answered correctly.

You didn't ask how they would be replaced though.

 

[HARKER]

You asked "how do you move on 15 players", I answered correctly.

You didn't ask how they would be replaced though.

Excuse my lack of logic, but doesn't that make for............common sense?

Play List Manager. What would your approach be, if you were SOS. Everything has to be qualified as otherwise, it means nothing.

So.........let's give it a shot. Give us your outs and show us what an the replacement may be (Draft pick / DFA / Trade etc )

 

[Soapy V]

No, no, no...

You got to give me an out and an in. It's not that easy.

I'll give it a go for the fun of it later tonight or tomorrow, but I do think that I will fail.

I don't HAVE to do anything.

 

[HARKER]

I don't HAVE to do anything.

Of course not.........but LordLucifer should.

 

[Soapy V]

Of course not.........but LordLucifer should.

He has and he's not wrong. 15 changes can be done, I just don't think it's likely at this stage.

Like I said I'm not ruling anything out

 

[therubbernub]

15 will go if they can replace them, it's not as clear cut as you think it is.

Or as clear cut as YOU think it is

 

[LordLucifer]

Of course not.........but LordLucifer should.

I don't HAVE to do anything.