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Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II
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Moody Blue
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Well if they are splurging 1.5 million on Dusty then someone is going to miss out. Brown would be a great pick up.
Robertio
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Good point last year was a deep draft there must have been good players miss out, let's find a couple.
HBF
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He's getting better, and really has shown enough to get another 1 year contract.
In a weak draft this year, there will be players who stay on lists in other years they may not have.
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Interesting that yesterday on SEN, Terry Wallace said that it did
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After this round we will 44 games into our 66 game rebuild with 2 off seasons to go until the bulk of our list changes have been made.
These are the players I don't think will be on our list after the 2018 season.
Senior List:
Armfield (ret)
Simpson (ret)
Rowe (ret)
White (ret)
Thomas (ret)
Buckley (del)
Smedts (del)
Jaksch (del)
Sumner (del)
Palmer (del)
Gorringe (del)
Graham (del)
Rookie list:
Sheehan (del)
JGMc (del)
Alex Silvagni (ret)
Gallucci (del)
Korcheck (del)
Potential Trades & F/A
Gibbs
Casboult
50:50 Depending on a good 2018 season?
Kerridge
Boekhurst
Lamb
That's 12-17 senior list and 5 rookie list positions available. We're going to look a lot different at the start of the 2019 season!
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These are the players I don't think will be on our list after the 2018 season.
Senior List:
Armfield (ret)
Simpson (ret)
Rowe (ret)
White (ret)
Thomas (ret)
Buckley (del)
Smedts (del)
Jaksch (del)
Sumner (del)
Palmer (del)
Gorringe (del)
Graham (del)
Rookie list:
Sheehan (del)
JGMc (del)
Alex Silvagni (ret)
Gallucci (del)
Korcheck (del)
Potential Trades & F/A
Gibbs
Casboult
50:50 Depending on a good 2018 season?
Kerridge
Boekhurst
Lamb
That's 12-17 senior list and 5 rookie list positions available. We're going to look a lot different at the start of the 2019 season!
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And it does.
Jimmae
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Correct, but he's had two injury interrupted seasons prior to this one.
Only if he gets a haircut, by someone other than Zac Fisher's hairdresser.
Ok
So Gibbs goes to Adelaide for a 1st rounder received from a Lever/McGovern trade .
Casboult goes to a Martin-less cashed up Richmond yielding us band 3 compo .
Those 2 picks along with our 2017 1st rounder go to GWS for Kelly and Hopper .
Byrne Jones Macreadie
Plowman Marchbank Docherty (C)
SPS Cripps (VC) Williamson
Silvagni Curnow Murphy
Pickett Weitering McKay
Kruezer Hopper Kelly
Curnow Fisher Cuningham Lamb
So Gibbs goes to Adelaide for a 1st rounder received from a Lever/McGovern trade .
Casboult goes to a Martin-less cashed up Richmond yielding us band 3 compo .
Those 2 picks along with our 2017 1st rounder go to GWS for Kelly and Hopper .
Byrne Jones Macreadie
Plowman Marchbank Docherty (C)
SPS Cripps (VC) Williamson
Silvagni Curnow Murphy
Pickett Weitering McKay
Kruezer Hopper Kelly
Curnow Fisher Cuningham Lamb
So true Harks.
There are so many Premiership players that were very average - Jarrad Blair???
I think more people need to look at the our playing list as an "asset" that can be valued.
SOS started with an asset base of very little value.
Each year he/Bolton have taken multiple steps to increase the value of the playing list.
Turning Tuohy into Marchbank and Pickett, turning Liam Jones from a likely delist into a valuable KPF, Menzel into Plowman plus others.
I believe he will not want to move on players who are showing good signs of development unless he a has a serious squeeze on list numbers.
Eg Boekhurst has improved considerably this year and likely will again next year.
Why would SOS delist him now when you could give him another 1 year contract, get Cam Bruce to perform his magic and then trade him next year for pick 35?
If you had a block of land increasing in value by 35% per year would you off load it if you didn't have to?
Of course you would not?
Patience grasshoppers!!!!!!!
You know when someone like Bolton will have had enough? It's when the players' drive isn't there.
He'll rather have some less skilled but push the group (White, Rowe) than for some that drag the general tone and standards down, by not training at levels required, so the only question for me is; Does Boekhorst strive to get the most out of himself and in turn for the playing group? I don't know the answer, but his last several weeks have shown me a much more determined Boekhorst and nowhere moreso than for the way he marshalled the troops in the VFL. I had not seen that from him, before. Has the penny dropped and has he now become fully invested, or is it too little, too late? We'll see/hear soon enough
He'll rather have some less skilled but push the group (White, Rowe) than for some that drag the general tone and standards down, by not training at levels required, so the only question for me is; Does Boekhorst strive to get the most out of himself and in turn for the playing group? I don't know the answer, but his last several weeks have shown me a much more determined Boekhorst and nowhere moreso than for the way he marshalled the troops in the VFL. I had not seen that from him, before. Has the penny dropped and has he now become fully invested, or is it too little, too late? We'll see/hear soon enough
so my other reasons are correct?
IMO there is a big difference between Role Player or List Player as opposed to an Average Player. Lamb for example can play a role and play it well. No world beater but can do something and has proven it. Kerridge similar as he can come in and do a job. Rowe is worth keeping because whilst we are developing he can fill so many roles and is a proven player.
Boekhurst at the moment is an average player at best who has shown glimpses but has some obvious flaws in his game. IMO he is on the edge of being delisted/traded or getting a one year deal.
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Also with players like Rowe, Lamb and Kerridge, they come across to have a look of determination and degree of hunger to get the best out of themselves. Boeky doesn't seem to have that, although the club is going thru a massive cultural change, so he might come around, but minimal development left in him. Main thing he may improve is consistency with greater exposure to AFL otherwise he will remain a depth player at best.
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If Martin leaves, I don't think Richmond will sign another free agent and risk diluting their compensation.
Maybe North would go down the Dangerfield route and trade for Dusty? If Martin leaves, that's the only situation where I could see Richmond signing free agents themselves.
Perhaps my original post should have been more detailed than it was. I would rate Boekhorst currently in the 24-26 peaking order for overall quality. Some of his skill-set puts him in the side comfortably, while other aspects of his game are extremely poor.
I will concede, that if SOS does absolutely no deal during the trade period (would surprise me given recent history and the state of our list) and given the current draft picks we have, I understand that signing Blaine on a one year deal gives us protection, while allowing us to further assess a possible improvement
Being a realist, I am also confident that it would be extremely difficult to trade in all of Kelly, Hopper, Kennedy, Smith, Balic, etc, this year.
Perhaps some middle ground. The prospect of adding the likes of Kennedy, Smith, Balic, is not unfathomable, along with the further development and improvement of guys like Polson, Lebois. One or all could/would push him back in the pecking order
If SOS has definitely put a line through 6 players, then decides to add Boekhorst to that list, we are not replacing him with the 7th pick in the draft, it is actually the complete opposite, given the small number of games the likes of Buckley, Smedts, Palmer have played this year, let alone non midfielders
Our first pick in the draft this year, would push him further behind, aka SPS.
I doubt SOS & Bolts would retain a player on hope, that was the old Carlton
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Would think it's highly unlikely Tigers match the NM offer if true. Dangerous game, from reading of the rules, they force a trade (from a list management perspective, why would NM give up #1 or #2 when they wouldn't have to), DM stays or goes into the draft. Not sure Tigers would be willing to risk DM walking into the draft if they match.
Oh, I agree HBF. I hope we keep him and I do like him.
I was just pointing out that he's not really similar to Isaac Smith. In fact, he's more like Cyril than Smith (although still not that similar).
Like Cyril, he can have elite disposal, can find the goals and doesn't have the tank to go through the whole game in the midfield.
Unlike Cyril he isn't good under pressure and isn't in Bruce's dreams every night.
It's a good point .
With the size of the reported North offer , you'd think nothing could affect the tigers compo but in an AFL where you can be fined for not tanking you just never know ...
Did a wrist injury stop him running?
Yeah but he is a good player...
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