Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II

[therubbernub]

I'm pretty sure Levi is gone one way or another.With Rowe being offered a one year deal (as mentioned by Jon Ralph)Mckay developing and Patrick Kerr as well,there is no place for Rowe in our stacked backline so logically speaking somethings got to give.Jones,Marchbank,Plowman,Weits,Asos and MCreadie when required would be our core backline group,obviously not all at the same time but there is no room for Rowe down there.Just makes sense a big body up forward to help the younger guys.We also be a lot cheaper than Levi.

Sam did a pretty darn good job before eh went down and I think he provides good depth. It probably didn't go unnoticed by levis management either.
But at the end of the day there is now enormous KPP flexibility that sos has built and if you consider Rowe , Weitering , marchbank, McReadie, and Jones (dont laugh) as all capable of being swing men, then pretty much our KPP is setup for the next 5 years. Sure there is a lot of experimentation that needs to be done to work out the best combination, but I feel pretty confident that we can relax a bit when it comes to KPP's . That is a huge bonus, because it means we can concentrate on our greatest need MIDS.

 

[therubbernub]

I can't believe people are contemplating giving Boekhorst another year, based on 3 run-of-the-mill games. I would rather free up a spot and select a kid that could grow into a better footballer, or take the likes of a 19 year old Bailey Banfield, who was strangely not selected last year and has been playing some very good football in WA

Boekhorst is not up to AFL standard, despite showing some glimpses. He is and will always be a nervous footballer, it's time to move forward

I would give Blaine another year. I think the glimpses are enough to tell us that he is improving. While he continues to improve there is hope. He shows that he can be skillfull . There are plenty of others that have not shown the skills that BB has. If we are still having the conversation this time next year, then of course he will be delisted.

 

[therubbernub]

I have never disputed that he is talented, unfortunately his body of work should not be viewed as just 3 games, he is been on the list for 3 years. We didn't draft him as an 18 year old, he is 24.

Luke Ryan was a 4th rounder and there are others just like him in the lower leagues

Williamson is a 4th rounder, who would you rather have?

1. He was a late starter in AFL IIRC
2 He has had quite a few injuries
3 His slight frame means that he is going to need longer than other players.

Most sports have different physiques in players for different roles. Look at simmo. But simmo hasnt had the injuries that BB has had.

 

[therubbernub]

Not discounting anything at all and some drive and direction would obviously have had to come from our coaches.
The days of 'every man for himself' are gone.

If you invest in a player, you have to lend all of the clubs resources to him.
I can't qualify this, but I understand that Boekhorst has been left unloved at times.
I've said it here many times before, but we won't get the best of this group until SOS and Bolton own them.

Are you saying that SOS treats his non selections with some disdain?

 

[therubbernub]

We will have enough guys for depth

Did you really mean to say this?

 

[therubbernub]

AFL Player rankings on SEN say Murphy is still going OK....

MITCHELL, Tom Haw 164
2. CROUCH, Matt Adel 158
3. KELLY, Joshua GWS 156
4. MURPHY, Marc Carl 153
5. OLIVER, Clayton Melb 153
6. MARTIN, Dustin Rich 152
7. WINES, Ollie Port 150
8. DOCHERTY, Sam Carl 149
9. DANGERFIELD, Patrick Geel 148
10. GIBBS, Bryce Carl 147
11. SHIEL, Dylan GWS 146
12. FYFE, Nathan Frem 145
13. EBERT, Brad Port 145
14. LAIRD, Rory Adel 144
15. MACRAE, Jack WB 144
16. HEPPELL, Dyson Ess 143
17. HURLEY, Michael Ess 143
18. MERRETT, Zach Ess 143
19. DUNCAN, Mitch Geel 143
20. WARD, Callan GWS 143
21. BONTEMPELLI, Marcus WB 143
22. ROSS, Sebastian StK 142
23. PARKER, Luke Syd 141
24. ADAMS, Taylor Coll 140
25. GAFF, Andrew WCE 140

 

[therubbernub]

Wasn't it you that linked the two?
All the same, no not necessarily, there'd be players at the Pies who are more courageous than Pendles but nobody really knocks him because his overall output outweighs any negative impact this could cause.
As for choice in leaders, it's a different topic but it largely came down to an ageing Carrots or Marc, it's not as though we had great options at the time - thankfully Doc seems to tick all of the boxes going forward.

With regard to Boekhurst, you're right, comparisons aren't necessary but I thought I'd list someone with similar shortcomings who has gone on to have a very successful career. If the penny drops and he is able to build a tank to be able to run all day he can be an asset.

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Maybe Cam Bruce can go all Jordan lewis on him

 

[therubbernub]

You see, I'm not talking about Gorringe, Buckley, Palmer, Korchek, Armfield, White, Graham, Smedts, Gallucci etc here.
The fact is also that Jones didn't have a contract either, until 6 or so weeks ago.
His last few weeks have been more than serviceable, starting off with 2 * 30+ possession games in the VFL. Not fair to say otherwise.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; Boekhorst may not remain on the list but I'm just not as enthusiastic to move him on as some here seem to be.
As if he's the problem. At least he's playing at the premium level, unlike several that simple aren't........and for good reason.

Agree. there is a reason he is playing and Buckley, Palmer etc aren't

 

[Lawrence Angwin]

Assuming Gibbs is staying. How could we trade for Hopper and keep pick 4?

I'm guessing he is worth a late first round pick, I'm just not sure how we get our hands on such a pick.

If Casboult leaves via free agency we should get a compensation of around pick 20. That should be enough to get it done.


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[PoultryinMotion]

I'm not sure with boekhorst he did look better last week with our faster ball movement and more aggressive game style.

That's the thing the coach would be mindful of with any potential delistings. Is player X able to offer more as our gamestyle develops towards our utopian goal. Boeky, Pickett etc have shown real good signs of this alignment over the past few games as we have been more attacking. To use the Isaac Smith analogy discussed earlier by some, I think he would struggle to be as effective in a "retreat and switch" gameplan too as he is an on the burst player.
FWIW Boekhorst will be retained unless another trade pawn is required to go to WA.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Agree. there is a reason he is playing and Buckley, Palmer etc aren't

One reason why Boekhorst is getting games is Cripps, Ed and Marchbank are injured and Cuningham is not match fit enough.
Another, and why preferred to Buckley, Palmer, etc. might be to work out whether we should keep him or not, perhaps to see if he has any trade value.
FWIW, not best 22, perhaps a few others to delist fist before Boekhorst. One year contract with a couple of others in a similar boat.

 

[Azul]

Even Wikipedia think Leavi is leaving.

Casboult will be a free agent at the end of the 2017 season and The Collingwood Football Club and Richmond Football Club are currently chasing Casboult

 

[HARKER]

Watching Jaeger last night, reminded me just how much we need one touch mids.
Players that aren't even considering taking possession of the ball, as that will come by course, but already surveying the situation as to where that ball will best serve going to.

Cripps & SPS are the only mids we have that have this ability and on the other end of the scale we have Kerridge who worries so much about just taking possession of the ball, that he has no scope nor time to work out what to do with the ball, once he has it in hand.
Fisher is also that smart one-touch mid, but I worry his size may restrict just how often he can start at the 'source'

 

[ParapMarkets]

If Casboult leaves via free agency we should get a compensation of around pick 20. That should be enough to get it done.


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The best we could hope for with Casboult is his contract squeezing into the lower end of band 3. That would would be pick 22 and likely to be pushed out further if Rockliff and Dusty leave. That won't be enough for Hopper.

 

[ParapMarkets]

Watching Jaeger last night, reminded me just how much we need one touch mids.
Players that aren't even considering taking possession of the ball, as that will come by course, but already surveying the situation as to where that ball will best serve going to.

Cripps & SPS are the only mids we have that have this ability and on the other end of the scale we have Kerridge who worries so much about just taking possession of the ball, that he has no scope nor time to work out what to do with the ball, once he has it in hand.
Fisher is also that smart one-touch mid, but I worry his size may restrict just how often he can start at the 'source'

Some people don't give Mitchell the respect he deserves as well. I think he is now a better user and decision maker than he is given credit for. Absolute bargain for what they paid for him, he is also very clean.

 

[Benaly28]

Would we look at a Liberatore or Stringer?

 

[HARKER]

Some people don't give Mitchell the respect he deserves as well. I think he is now a better user and decision maker than he is given credit for. Absolute bargain for what they paid for him, he is also very clean.

Not a bad get for a pick #14, was he?

Jaeger though looks more creative to me, being one of those guys that can make every possession count.
Injury may well yet cruel him from showcasing his best, but you can just see how quick Jaeger is to survey the landscape with ball in hand.

 

[Soapy V]

Would we look at a Liberatore or Stringer?

Not for me

 

[Soapy V]

Not a bad get for a pick #14, was he?

Jaeger though looks more creative to me, being one of those guys that can make every possession count.
Injury may well yet cruel him from showcasing his best, but you can just see how quick Jaeger is to survey the landscape with ball in hand.

If he can stay fit OMeara is elite

 

[Soapy V]

Not a bad get for a pick #14, was he?.

On that scale hard to see Gibbs being worth any more especially considering age

It would also put Hopper around early second round

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Would we look at a Liberatore or Stringer?

Culture is important and on the improve at Carlton, Libba would not be a good fit at all and reckon Stringer has some concerns as well.

 

[ODNBlue]

Watching Jaeger last night, reminded me just how much we need one touch mids.
Players that aren't even considering taking possession of the ball, as that will come by course, but already surveying the situation as to where that ball will best serve going to.

Cripps & SPS are the only mids we have that have this ability and on the other end of the scale we have Kerridge who worries so much about just taking possession of the ball, that he has no scope nor time to work out what to do with the ball, once he has it in hand.
Fisher is also that smart one-touch mid, but I worry his size may restrict just how often he can start at the 'source'

Do you think Pickett may be able to fill that role at all?

 

[Robertio]

Funny isn't it,

1. All 5 RS credited Murphy with helping them
2. Bolt speaks well of Murphy leadership in presses
3 All players got their chances last 2 years to vote Murphy out but instead voted for him to lead them again

But here we are debating weather he is good enough as a leader.

Personally I have always love Murp since day 1 as a young couragous, skilful players who always give it all on field even when carry injury

Perhaps he is not the Voss, Selwoods, Hodge type of Captain but leadership come in all shapes and forms. The players and coaches are better judges of Murphy leadership than us from afar, I think.

Great post.

 

[Jimmae]

Watching Jaeger last night, reminded me just how much we need one touch mids.
Players that aren't even considering taking possession of the ball, as that will come by course, but already surveying the situation as to where that ball will best serve going to.

Cripps & SPS are the only mids we have that have this ability and on the other end of the scale we have Kerridge who worries so much about just taking possession of the ball, that he has no scope nor time to work out what to do with the ball, once he has it in hand.
Fisher is also that smart one-touch mid, but I worry his size may restrict just how often he can start at the 'source'

Gibbs and Murphy aren't far behind, and are only so due to years in the system (i.e. many dislocated and sprained fingers).

 

[Jeremias]

Anybody think Lukas Webb is worth a look? Can't get a run at the Dogs and wants opportunity.

Yes.

He's one I mentioned last year along with Hrovat, Dale and Honeychurch.

Hrovat has since moved to the Roos (we were said to be reasonably keen also), Dale has semi-broken through this year, whilst Honeychurch and Webb remain very much on the periphery.

I doubt Dale would now leave but the latter two would probably be exploring their options. I don't think either will be stars but could prove to be good value if we're able to bring them in relatively cheaply.

And I reckon both would be very cheap given Hrovat cost the Roos 3/4 of **** all last year.

Would we look at a Liberatore or Stringer?

Absolutely we would, if they were available - as would 16 other clubs.

Both have had down years but they're both outstanding footballers and certainly young enough to turn things around.

Unless there's something seriously wrong at the Dogs they won't consider getting rid of either.