Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion

[HARKER]

But we get pick 2 which we can off load for two picks inside top 10 maybe.

Too early to say now but would you rather a #2 in Kelly or what Melbourne received for that pick; #3 Tyson & #9 Salem?

You don't pass up on special talent for a couple of foot soldiers.

 

[HARKER]

SOS did himself no harm with his stance on Gibbs last year, but maybe even more-so with holding firm on not releasing our first for Marchbank, Pickett and whatever else may have come our way for it.

You won't always win the game but you have to know how to play it. Seems as though SOS has a pretty good idea.

Quoting myself here as I left out another important part in the equation;
Would you sooner play and be taught the game, under Bolton or either Buckley or Hardwick?

I can't believe we could have ever seriously been contemplating Barker for coach. Shake my head even thinking about it.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Too early to say now but would you rather a #2 in Kelly or what Melbourne received for that pick; #3 Tyson & #9 Salem?

You don't pass up on special talent for a couple of foot soldiers.

In theory I absolutely agree. What if #2 ended up netting us 2 firsts that we then used on Hopper/Kennedy & Schache? Toss in our 2018 3rd to GWS.

Then trade Bryce for the Crows first and stay in the first round?

End result:

Out: pick 2, Gibbs & 2018 3rd
In: Hopper, Kennedy Schache and pick 15ish

Use 15 on best mid and that's 3 mids and our KPF to add to Harry, whilst keeping our 2018 first.

Net gain theory

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

In theory I absolutely agree. What if #2 ended up netting us 2 firsts that we then used on Hopper/Kennedy & Schache? Toss in our 2018 3rd to GWS.

Then trade Bryce for the Crows first and stay in the first round?

End result:

Out: pick 2, Gibbs & 2018 3rd
In: Hopper, Kennedy Schache and pick 15ish

Use 15 on best mid and that's 3 mids and our KPF to add to Harry, whilst keeping our 2018 first.

Net gain theory

I like it Salty but I don't reckon we'll get a first round for Gibbs.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

I like it Salty but I don't reckon we'll get a first round for Gibbs.

Think we might if it's high enough and they are desperate enough. They really need to make the most of this list whilst they have it, see where you're coming from though.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Think we might if it's high enough and they are desperate enough. They really need to make the most of this list whilst they have it, see where you're coming from though.

It's possible but I reckon the best they would offer is 2nd round and a player.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

It's possible but I reckon the best they would offer is 2nd round and a player.

Charlie Cameron would do nicely

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Charlie Cameron would do nicely

Straight swap and they can throw in a 3rd rounder.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Straight swap and they can throw in a 3rd rounder.

Ok, deal. Assuming we get Hopper and Kennedy of course.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Ok, deal. Assuming we get Hopper and Kennedy of course.

nice doing business with you

 

[Blue_Fusion]

In theory I absolutely agree. What if #2 ended up netting us 2 firsts that we then used on Hopper/Kennedy & Schache? Toss in our 2018 3rd to GWS.

Then trade Bryce for the Crows first and stay in the first round?

End result:

Out: pick 2, Gibbs & 2018 3rd
In: Hopper, Kennedy Schache and pick 15ish

Use 15 on best mid and that's 3 mids and our KPF to add to Harry, whilst keeping our 2018 first.

Net gain theory

To be quite honest, I'd rather have pick #2 and Gibbs than that. I don't like Schache's attitude at all. Kennedy is a decent player but nothing special, similar to what we'll get at pick #15 unless we're lucky (statistically speaking).

Hopper the only one that would be able to boost our side. But as far as I'm concerned, keeping pick #2 would be more beneficial. We practically get to pick from the most talented kids available with that sort of pick, would be nonsense to trade it.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

It's possible but I reckon the best they would offer is 2nd round and a player.

Why would we let Gibbs go for a late second rounder and a player? Absolute garbage.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

To be quite honest, I'd rather have pick #2 and Gibbs than that. I don't like Schache's attitude at all. Kennedy is a decent player but nothing special, similar to what we'll get at pick #15 unless we're lucky (statistically speaking).

Hopper the only one that would be able to boost our side. But as far as I'm concerned, keeping pick #2 would be more beneficial. We practically get to pick from the most talented kids available with that sort of pick, would be nonsense to trade it.

Fair enough. Can't say I'm particularly impressed with Schache ATM myself, this time last year I was though.

I just look at it like this: if Hopper was in this draft, and he's only 20, would we take him? I'd suggest yes.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Why would we let Gibbs go for a late second rounder and a player? Absolute garbage.

We wouldn't and we didn't last year but that was what was offered.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Sorry the crows offered their first and a late second rounder last year. My apologies.

 

[ShanDog]

Sorry the crows offered their first and a late second rounder last year. My apologies.

With our second rounder coming back or something along those lines - would have been terrible. Barely a pick upgrade.

 

[BIGGUS 64]

Quoting myself here as I left out another important part in the equation;
Would you sooner play and be taught the game, under Bolton or either Buckley or Hardwick?

I can't believe we could have ever seriously been contemplating Barker for coach. Shake my head even thinking about it.

Because Barker had already been doing the job as caretaker, had worked with the players for a few years and had established a good relationship with the playing group. He was always going to be in the mix. I never really thought Barker would end up with the job though. A new broom was needed.

Thankfully, the club did their due diligence this time with the new appointment and managed to score the best young coach going around.

As season 2015 drew to a close I remember feeling quite scared, thinking (and I know I was not alone) we CANNOT afford to f*** this up.
This is a pivotal time, this is critical, the club HAS to get this right. We need to nail the coaching appointment and start nailing our draft selections. Thank god, it would seem that we did.

 

[Benaly28]

Too early to say now but would you rather a #2 in Kelly or what Melbourne received for that pick; #3 Tyson & #9 Salem?

You don't pass up on special talent for a couple of foot soldiers.

Not sure the top 10 is full of foot soldiers and I definitely wouldn't describe the players you mentioned as that,thinking they have more talent.

 

[El Topo]

I can't believe we could have ever seriously been contemplating Barker for coach. Shake my head even thinking about it.

I'd like to think Bolton was always the one, and the club only kept Barker in the mix to boost his prospects with other clubs.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Sorry the crows offered their first and a late second rounder last year. My apologies.

I'd expect them to offer their 1st as an absolute minimum this year. I'd be surprised if SOS didn't ask for their 2nd as well with our 3rd going to them along with Gibbs.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Fair enough. Can't say I'm particularly impressed with Schache ATM myself, this time last year I was though.

I just look at it like this: if Hopper was in this draft, and he's only 20, would we take him? I'd suggest yes.

Is that because you rate Hopper higher than anyone in this year's draft? How would you rate Hopper pre-draft vs the draftees this year?

How would he compare v Fogarty, Rayner , LDU etc?

 

[Pafloyul]

Fair enough. Can't say I'm particularly impressed with Schache ATM myself, this time last year I was though.

I just look at it like this: if Hopper was in this draft, and he's only 20, would we take him? I'd suggest yes.

Not necessarily. Each draft year has its own dynamic and there's plenty to play out yet before we sort this year's lot out. There's two or three that strike me as better raw specimens than Hopper did in his year but time will tell.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Is that because you rate Hopper higher than anyone in this year's draft? How would you rate Hopper pre-draft vs the draftees this year?

How would he compare v Fogarty, Rayner , LDU etc?

Can't comment too much until I see the championships. Was a big fan of Hopper in his year and like what I've seen from him at AFL level.

Think he's been played out of position due to GWS' depth in midfield.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

I'd expect them to offer their 1st as an absolute minimum this year. I'd be surprised if SOS didn't ask for their 2nd as well with our 3rd going to them along with Gibbs.

If the Cameron rumour is correct I'd take a swap and a second rounder from them.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Not necessarily. Each draft year has its own dynamic and there's plenty to play out yet before we sort this year's lot out. There's two or three that strike me as better raw specimens than Hopper did in his year but time will tell.

You'd know better than I my friend. As I just mentioned, can't comment too much until I see them play a few games plus highlights. I'll probably backtrack in a couple months....

I am a pretty big fan of Hopper's ATM though.