Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion

[Gethelred]

I'd be dissapointed if that were the case. For mine, if we were contenders going into the new year and didn't have multiple plans in place, then you can expect to finish the finals series low top 8 and likely being out-coached.

Oh, don't mistake what I meant. I'd imagine there's a whole spectrum of available plans, with the current performance being measured at the closest possible point.

It's more to do with that line of argument that irks me to no end; all sorts of extrapolation is being made from last year's premiership that contradicts the history/established trends of the AFL, and is being assumed to have increased veracity due to nothing more than being more recent.

 

[Iamcarlton]

I'm hoping we don't pick up a big name. We need to trade for kids who are ready to play like Marchbank and Pickett. I would chase Freeman and Hipwood (Bris) two Kennedys (GWS) or grey and tucker (Freo) or vandenberg and weideman (Melb) or McKay and Clarke (north). If we go after a FA it should be Picken (I don't think he will leave the dogs) he would be a great pick up to teach our young kids about hard work. I also think Trengove (Melb) would have great upside if he pass a medical.

Picken wow how tough is that guy pound for pound probably the toughest hard at it player in the comp imo . I agree he could teach our players all about hard work . In awe of what he's done the last couple of years .

 

[Pafloyul]

Yeah, we are "keyboard warriors" for hoping that the club doesn't stuff it up. With the logic of some people around here, Bigfooty GWS fans would have been keyboard warriors if they didn't believe they'd contest the premiership in their third year.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I can't imagine we would be going after Rockliff, he was a major part of the problems Brisbane had retaining players.

Rockliff went off the rails after his minder Jack Redden left for WC. It was well known here in Brissy that Rockliff and Hanley went on weekly benders propping up bar stools all over Brisbane. I would have said yes to Rockliff at one point but not now.

 

[FoeverBlues]

Picken wow how tough is that guy pound for pound probably the toughest hard at it player in the comp imo . I agree he could teach our players all about hard work . In awe of what he's done the last couple of years .

after our own courageous Simmo, right??

 

[DangerousD]

Rockliff went off the rails after his minder Jack Redden left for WC. It was well known here in Brissy that Rockliff and Hanley went on weekly benders propping up bar stools all over Brisbane. I would have said yes to Rockliff at one point but not now.

Any news on how he is going now?

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Any news on how he is going now?

Pretty sure I heard he now has a little baby to contend with, and now his drinking buddy has left for the GCS, which was best for both of them, he seems to have played pretty well in their two games so far. Not sure if he is still in the leadership group or not but seems to have turned around from where he was heading with Hanley. There were accusations they were trying to lead the Lions youngsters astray last year. Owners of the Story Bridge Hotel wont be happy about it though. It was reported that when Leppa was being sacked they were both on a bender at the pub while it was happening uncontactable. Though it all seems to have settled now for the better. Still don't think Id like to see him in blue however. Don't think it would be the right move for us.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

We're not going after rocky. He was trade bait last year and we didn't consider him at all. Doubt we'd consider him for free either. Twat.

 

[Funk]

Generally speaking you can only expect a maximum of a 20% improvement in a midfielders possession numbers going from TAC to AFL level, and that's assuming firstly that they will improve.

Agree with you on the basis they continue to play in the same position.

I am worried Cuningham may not make it due to his inability to get enough of the pill.

My point was Fyfe/Bont's numbers went up significantly at AFL level because they mostly played forward in U18's.

This is not "my opinion" - it is fact.

 

[Funk]

The tortoise is slow but........

the earth is patient?

 

[barass70]

We're interested in players 20-25 age bracket but still tuned going to be good times ahead going to have over 3mil salary cap space at end of the year

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I'm reading this a lot recently, and it bothers me.

It's a version of the 'what the bulldogs proved last year' argument. Sure, the dogs 'proved' that you can win a grand final/turn things around quickly, but they did so in a year which was wide open, and absolutely everything - from the byes for the actual contenders keeping their key opposition from match practice, to the break between the end of season and the finals - worked in their favour. Last year was the most even in at least a decade, and the Bulldogs got very lucky in that their side didn't just peak at the right time, but certain players - Pickens and Boyd to name two - played their best football ever during that finals series.

Port Adelaide experienced a similar bounce a few years back, off the back of a scintillating midfield, rapid ball movement, dead-eyed key forwards and being able to run out matches so much better than their opposition. They experienced the bounce that you get when you couple talented youth and enthusiasm with utter belief in a game plan; the exact thing that got the bulldogs to their flag last year. The difference, of course, is in both side's contexts; Port Adelaide fell agonisingly short, and suffered critical injuries that ruled key players out. They had no benefit of the bye allowing their players extra time to recover, nor did they have the advantage the bulldogs had of opposition having only played one game in four weeks.

You cannot make plans for the best possible scenario. You must make plans for the most likely, then compensate for what actually occurs. While it is possible that things could improve swiftly, there is far more evidence to a rebuild taking time than there is for some mirage of form tiding people through in the short term.

I agree they are an outlier and that's why we can't take too much out of it but I don't think they were anymore lucky then any other side to win a flag. They had one of the worst runs with injury I've ever seen from a premiership side and also lost Crameri before the season. They also beat four sides against the odds on the trot. They were just as convincing as any premiership side in the finals as nearly any team since Essendon 2000

 

[Blue Baggers]

When did he say this?

Fox footy last night

 

[Cripps17]

We're interested in players 20-25 age bracket but still tuned going to be good times ahead going to have over 3mil salary cap space at end of the year

More concerned with the cost in picks rather than salary that it'll take to use up that cap space.

We need to be hitting the top end of the draft for midfielders.

 

[Jimmae]

We're interested in players 20-25 age bracket but still tuned going to be good times ahead going to have over 3mil salary cap space at end of the year

NO WAI

But seriously, we don't have enough trade currency to ignore good RFAs like Martin and Fyfe.

 

[Dravid's in]

When did he say this?

You'll find it in The Wookie's Carlton on TV Thread.

League Teams last night.

 

[Funk]

We're interested in players 20-25 age bracket but still tuned going to be good times ahead going to have over 3mil salary cap space at end of the year

Seriously appreciate your contributions.

Are FA's are out of the question this year?

i.e. many will be over 25?

Fyfe/Sam Reid are now 25. Rockliffe is 27.

 

[Gethelred]

I agree they are an outlier and that's why we can't take too much out of it but I don't think they were anymore lucky then any other side to win a flag. They had one of the worst runs with injury I've ever seen from a premiership side and also lost Crameri before the season. They also beat four sides against the odds on the trot. They were just as convincing as any premiership side in the finals as nearly any team since Essendon 2000

I'd absolutely agree that, to a certain extent, every premiership side is lucky, but as for being 'as convincing as nearly any team since essendon 2000' I'm far less convinced.

I could list specific examples - the flags from Geelong in 2007 and Hawthorn in 2008, for example - for better deserved flags. I could argue that the amount of injuries to the Bulldogs last season allowed them to unearth talent on their list that otherwise might have stayed in the reserves; Stevens, for example. I could go into the clear strategic advantage that the dogs got with regards to rule interpretations.

But, ultimately, the fact that with the amount of injuries they got, had last year been as every year prior to last year - and the finals started the week after the last round - they would have lost the first final. They'd still be short three-five key players, and it wouldn't have been enough to beat West Coast over there.

Then, they come against sides that haven't played a match for a week, after that bye which enabled them to rest their players. GWS had played 1 match in 3 weeks.

Finally, you have the fact that last season you could have thrown a blanket over the top six/seven sides. On their day, any of those teams could/should have won the grand final. The bulldogs were simply the best on the day, for four weeks straight.

This takes nothing away from them. They were one of the mentally toughest footy teams of recent history, and all that with the majority of the squad being incredibly young.

However, what it does do is make them outliers. I get that sides hoping to climb the ladder seek to replicate the best teams, but last year was an abberation, which went against history in terms of a wide variety of areas.

I'm reading 'the bulldogs proved that' entirely too often, and usually by those who are urging the rushing of our rebuild. Get Fyfe, get Martin, get Lynch; make a play in the interests of jumpstarting our rise up the ladder.

We've never done a rebuild properly. Let's get it right this time.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

We're interested in players 20-25 age bracket but still tuned going to be good times ahead going to have over 3mil salary cap space at end of the year

Wow. Over 3 mil. that's crazy.

 

[bmaurizio]

We're interested in players 20-25 age bracket but still tuned going to be good times ahead going to have over 3mil salary cap space at end of the year

That's great news indeed, it will be so exciting the next couple of trade periods and drafts.
I’m enthusiastic about Brodie & Silvagni working together too, they’ll make an awesome team.
We need to get more young talent through the door asap.
Appreciate your insights, please keep it coming.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Wonder what Zak Jones would cost

 

[Jimmae]

Keep in mind every club has access to up $2.8m depending how they choose to pay existing deals under the new CBA.

We will have the biggest war chest but we need to see how the dust falls.

SOS will be driving up a lot of deals to make our offers more appealing.

 

[Soapy V]

We're interested in players 20-25 age bracket but still tuned going to be good times ahead going to have over 3mil salary cap space at end of the year

Great. Hope it doesn't cost good picks though. In SOS we trust

 

[chipzac]

We're interested in players 20-25 age bracket but still tuned going to be good times ahead going to have over 3mil salary cap space at end of the year

Looks like Thomas is on track to trigger another year so does the 3 mil take that into account?

 

[thylacine60]

Wonder what Zak Jones would cost

too many zacs