Position 2017 Rucks

[Space Indaver]

I'm expecting Ryder to be decent value, but only to free up money elsewhere. Same with Boyd, who's priced under 60

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

I'm expecting Ryder to be decent value, but only to free up money elsewhere. Same with Boyd, who's priced under 60

Ryder >>>>> Sandi >>>> Boyd

Boyd only scored 99 SC in his best game (the GF) where he was clear BOG to many people. Im hoping for his sake, he can lift that to 100-105, but still wary

 

[Daniels]

Am I the only one not buying into the Sandilands and or Ryder hype?

Sandilands injury chances gotta be on 'high alert'.

Without checking, wasn't Ryder putrid in 2015?

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Am I the only one not buying into the Sandilands and or Ryder hype?

Sandilands injury chances gotta be on 'high alert'.

Without checking, wasn't Ryder putrid in 2015?

putrid is a poor word....

he was spectacular some weeks and poor the next. Mainly because Lobbe was somehow in the side. even with that, managed to average 85.4 which isnt too bad considering he was playing forward most weeks.

 

[Daniels]

putrid is a poor word....

he was spectacular some weeks and poor the next. Mainly because Lobbe was somehow in the side. even with that, managed to average 85.4 which isnt too bad considering he was playing forward most weeks.

Ok, my bad. He was crap.

And wouldn't that mean he is every chance to be plonked FWD again this season? I just don't see PA rolling with him as sole ruck straight up.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Ok, my bad. He was crap.

And wouldn't that mean he is every chance to be plonked FWD again this season? I just don't see PA rolling with him as sole ruck straight up.

we are training Trengove as a ruck/fwd, so he will be the relief ruck.

Lobbe wont play unless Ryder gets injured

 

[Daniels]

we are training Trengove as a ruck/fwd, so he will be the relief ruck.

Lobbe wont play unless Ryder gets injured

Got ya. So he will potentially have same role as 2015 season?

If form was better pre ban i'd be sold. Strong NAB watch I guess.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Got ya. So he will potentially have same role as 2015 season?

If form was better pre ban i'd be sold. Strong NAB watch I guess.

different role, as Ryder was the 2nd ruck for a lot of games, once he got the main ruck role, he tore it a new one

 

[Daniels]

different role, as Ryder was the 2nd ruck for a lot of games, once he got the main ruck role, he tore it a new one

Was just checking. He did seem to be better second half of year, but ceiling not that spectacular.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Was just checking. He did seem to be better second half of year, but ceiling not that spectacular.

always happy to help man.

how do you see Grundy going this year?

 

[Feerits Elf]

Am I the only one not buying into the Sandilands hype?

Sandilands injury chances gotta be on 'high alert'.

Wouldn't say there's hype around Sandilands, he's just such tremendous value it makes him hard not to pick.

In 2013 he missed a massive chunk of the season with that hamstring, then had a couple of sub games on his return and a mare against GWS. So with his sub-par average and injury discount he was priced at 58ppg for 2014.

Many wrote him off as an option for that season because he was a 31-year-old ruckman with a known injury history who'd only played seven games the previous year. But he came out and surpassed everyone's expectations by playing every game over the first nine rounds, averaging 116.6 with seven hundreds and a high score of 154.

This year he's priced at 57ppg but the reason for his large layoff last year wasn't some old man soft tissue injury, it was a Naitanui knee to the ribs. He's now 34 so I'm not saying he'll come out and repeat his 2014 effort (although I won't rule it out either). But if he can average somewhere around 100 over the first third of the season as a R2 it will be a win for owners. If he goes down in Rd 4 with a quad trade him out, same as any other non-keeper.

Just as an aside, the last time he strung together five consecutive home and away games he averaged 139

 

[Daniels]

always happy to help man.

how do you see Grundy going this year?

Cheers.

See him being a bolter, again. His second half of season last year was amazing. Something really clicked and he discovered how to find that good, cheap possession around ground. SC ruck gold.

From all reports he went about it in exactly same manner in our intra club / match simulation other day. Just finding possession around ground at will. Strong consideration!

 

[Daniels]

Wouldn't say there's hype around Sandilands, he's just such tremendous value it makes him hard not to pick.

In 2013 he missed a massive chunk of the season with that hamstring, then had a couple of sub games on his return and a mare against GWS. So with his sub-par average and injury discount he was priced at 58ppg for 2014.

Many wrote him off as an option for that season because he was a 31-year-old ruckman with a known injury history who'd only played seven games the previous year. But he came out surpassed everyone's expectations by playing every game over the first nine rounds, averaging 116.6 with seven hundreds and a high score of 154.

This year he's priced at 57ppg but the reason for his large layoff last year wasn't some old man soft tissue injury, it was a Naitanui knee to the ribs. He's now 34 so I'm not saying he'll come out and repeat his 2014 effort (although I won't rule it out either). But if he can average somewhere around 100 over the first third of the season as a R2 it will be a win for owners. If he goes down in Rd 4 with a quad trade him out, same as any other non-keeper.

Just as an aside, the last time he strung together five consecutive home and away games he averaged 139

Hype, value... yeah. Just being looked at an auto-pick, which I disagree with. Huge gamble IMO.

Can he manage to string together 1/3 of the season though. I'd say chances of him not are much higher. As mentioned, 34yo so will clearly be managed. You'd want a really good R3 as cover early.

 

[dlanod]

different role, as Ryder was the 2nd ruck for a lot of games, once he got the main ruck role, he tore it a new one

Ryder was main ruck for weeks 1-3 and 20-21. He averaged 92.6.

He shared time with Lobbe for the rest of the year. He averaged 82.6.

Definitely better as main ruck, but a 92.6 average isn't really "tearing it a new one".

 

[Daniels]

Ryder was main ruck for weeks 1-3 and 20-21. He averaged 92.6.

He shared time with Lobbe for the rest of the year. He averaged 82.6.

Definitely better as main ruck, but a 92.6 average isn't really "tearing it a new one".

There we go. Really interesting.

That almost confirms a fade now.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Ryder was main ruck for weeks 1-3 and 20-21. He averaged 92.6.

He shared time with Lobbe for the rest of the year. He averaged 82.6.

Definitely better as main ruck, but a 92.6 average isn't really "tearing it a new one".

i was talking about impact on game, not SC exactly. He won us some games as main ruck and nothing suggests that with an extended period (the whole damn year) as main ruck, that he will go below the 92.6 average. im expecting him to go 95-98, which is solid enough to be a top 10 forward

 

[dlanod]

Having said all that, I'm probably picking Ryder if Lobbe isn't named in Round 1 given the paucity of forward options.

 

[catstragic]

Am I the only one not buying into the Sandilands and or Ryder hype?

Sandilands injury chances gotta be on 'high alert'.

Without checking, wasn't Ryder putrid in 2015?

Ryder played with lobbe and scored badly. Sandilands is an injury risk, but no more than gawn or mumford.

 

[Hairy Lager]

Have gone really cold on Gawn due to his price and the fact that the top ruck hasnt been able to back up the following year and stay top.
Went into last year with set and forget and ended up making 3 trades on that line.
Thinking if I go in thinking I will need to trade at least twice, I am still ahead of last year.
Really considering Hickey and Sandi and pumping that extra cash in the mids.

I had Gawn the previous year to last in the DPP role, was my best pick of the year.

He has been ON for the good part of 18 months

Didn't take him last year and he went massive, basically scorched my 2016 SC arse.

He is first picked for me.

 

[Daniels]

Ryder played with lobbe and scored badly. Sandilands is an injury risk, but no more than gawn or mumford.

He played without Lobbe and wasn't spectacular either. Guess popular with discount.

Sandi is somewhat more of a risk than those 2 IMO. Gawn has those sketchy knees, but gets on with it. Mumford just loves a brain fart too for a week or 2 holiday.

 

[dlanod]

Sandi is somewhat more of a risk than those 2 IMO. Gawn has those sketchy knees, but gets on with it. Mumford just loves a brain fart too for a week or 2 holiday.

LC: "Shane, we're probably going to rest you for the next couple of weeks to make sure you're fresh for the second half of the season."
SM: "Does that mean I can punch someone?"
LC: "...sure."

 

[Daniels]

LC: "Shane, we're probably going to rest you for the next couple of weeks to make sure you're fresh for the second half of the season."
SM: "Does that mean I can punch someone?"
LC: "...sure."

Nailed it!

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...n/news-story/aca17a67f1760faf223466516026fe66

• While he’s made his name as a contested marking beast in the forward line, Rory Lobb ($406,100, FWD) is hoping to eventually develop into the Giants’ No. 1 ruckman.
  
• With Travis Cloke arriving from Collingwood and Stewart Crameri returning from suspension, does it mean Tom Boyd ($290,300, RUC/FWD) will spend more time as a permanent ruckman?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...n/news-story/aca17a67f1760faf223466516026fe66

 

[Space Indaver]

Roughy was so very good in the finals. Boyd in a bit more a free role and Roughy doing the ugly stuff could be great

 

[Super Hans]

Getting rid of third man up was such a stupid decision. If you're 205cm and can't beat a 193cm bloke for a hit out then that's your problem. Just needed to be stricter on shepperding the rucks out of the contest.

I mean, how tall is Jordan Lewis? 184cm? 185cm? And he's been the best third man up for a while. Stupid afl.