2017 Trade and FA thread

[SizeMatters]

We're dead set into him and he's a gun I reckon that'd get it done. Whether he wants to come up is another thing but the lions are trying

Yeah I know we are. Just haven't heard anything from my source for a while but I'd imagine a few other clubs (Suns... I know) would be into him. I heard that if he wasn't sure on his playing time at the Cats he would explore other options 100%... looks like he is getting game time though so that's why I'm just not sure ATM. We have the cap space to make a decent play for him though. Fits our list perfectly.

 

[Eons]

Who? Our biggest issue isn't getting young talent, it's keeping it and this should play a big role in any trades. Will trading out half of our experienced A/B graders help keep our young group together?

I'm not sure trading Rich for Himmelberg will really help.

Harrison Himmelberg, former pick 16 at GWS. Parents live in Queensland, plays as a key defender and will give us a lot more drive out of the back half than any of our current talls. Will be playing his third season next year and would be a great option for us.

 

[Eons]

SM and Billy, are we into Himmelberg and what are our chances if we are?

 

[lionshine]

Yeah I know we are. Just haven't heard anything from my source for a while but I'd imagine a few other clubs (Suns... I know) would be into him. I heard that if he wasn't sure on his playing time at the Cats he would explore other options 100%... looks like he is getting game time though so that's why I'm just not sure ATM. We have the cap space to make a decent play for him though. Fits our list perfectly.

Glad to hear we are chasing him. We should be chasing talented young midfielders such as Cockatoo, Parish and Hopper to accelerate the rebuild somewhat. I just can't see how we could attract any of them without throwing a large sum of money at them over 5-6 years.

 

[carnthemlions]

Trading out more than 1 core senior player will set us back.

We just can't afford to do it. Sides in our position normally have a couple of 200 gamers plus the mid 20s guys we have. We'll go nowhere if we keep losing our most experienced players and replacing them with 18 year olds.

Could use one of them to get someone like Himmelberg.

Or possibly one of our many draft picks???

I'd be putting Rich up for trade and I think Rocky will probably leave. Stef also an option if he wants to head back to Melbourne.

Rich would get us an end of first round pick, Stef early second round and Rocky could potentially get us a pick straight after our first.

And so the cycle will continue. Next year- put Zorko up for trade etc etc.

 

[jackess]

There's also to learn a gameplan we have to be able to execute it. This will only get even more difficult without anybody who's played 100 games.

 

[briztoon]

Rich would be the only senior (valuable) player I would consider trading, because he's the only player I believe we can replace from within the squad. I really do question whether we would receive a first for Rich. I believe a mid second round pick would be the best offer we would receive.

Maybe Steph, if Steph asked for a trade or if another team offered a reasonable pick, late first to mid second.

Would the Rich and Stef picks make much of a difference?

They might if we look to use those picks in further trades, or the points from the picks might be useful so that we do not potentially carry a first round points deficit in to the 2018 draft.

 

[Eons]

Really don't think it will be a massive loss if Rich and Stef leave. Archie will replace Stef and we have players like Allison and Witherden who could slot into Rich's role.

Wouldn't be trading Zorko, need more players with pace in the team.

 

[jackess]

Rich would be the only senior (valuable) player I would consider trading, because he's the only player I believe we can replace from within the squad. I really do question whether we would receive a first for Rich. I believe a mid second round pick would be the best offer we would receive.

Maybe Steph, if Steph asked for a trade or if another team offered a reasonable pick, late first to mid second.



They might if we look to use those picks in further trades, or the points from the picks might be useful so that we do not potentially carry a first round points deficit in to the 2018 draft.

Who have we drafted in the last 3 years that have really made much of a difference? Andrews looks good but is some way off and all the rest look a couple of years from showing any sort of consistency. We have enough young players without needing to put 4-5 more years into these guys. If they hang around.

 

[irel]

Who have we drafted in the last 3 years that have really made much of a difference? Andrews looks good but is some way off and all the rest look a couple of years from showing any sort of consistency. We have enough young players without needing to put 4-5 more years into these guys. If they hang around.

Each year about round eight we start throwing the bathwater forgetting there's a baby in it. Oops, never mind.

 

[M Malice]

Really don't think it will be a massive loss if Rich and Stef leave. Archie will replace Stef and we have players like Allison and Witherden who could slot into Rich's role.

Wouldn't be trading Zorko, need more players with pace in the team.

The Untradeables- Zorko, Robinson, D.Beams, Rockliff (FA?), Christensen + anyone 22 and under except for Jansen who would be unwanted. We need to clean out our terrible quality in the 23-25 age group apart from Christensen, much harder done than said though.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

The thought of losing rockliff and with beams constantly injured is a nightmare.

 

[briztoon]

Who have we drafted in the last 3 years that have really made much of a difference? Andrews looks good but is some way off and all the rest look a couple of years from showing any sort of consistency. We have enough young players without needing to put 4-5 more years into these guys. If they hang around.

Do you see a better and realistic way to build a competitive team?

This discussion keeps being repeated over and over and over here, I do not understand how people can still be against it.

Young players are inconsistent, and the only way to develop this consistency is to play them, put in place player development programs for the offseason, etc. This is not something new.

Every young player we have drafted in the past three years makes a difference. Because they are replacing less talented list cloggers, and adding to the long term depth of the future squad.

Every AFL talking head on tv, radio or internet, Fagan, Noble and Schwab before he left, have said Brisbane's best and really only way is to build through the draft, and where possible make astute trades if they benefit the long term list build. This is what I said at the beginning of last season, before the club committed to this strategy. Many disagreed, but it's exactly what the club did.

 

[briztoon]

The Untradeables- Zorko, Robinson, D.Beams, Rockliff (FA?), Christensen + anyone 22 and under except for Jansen who would be unwanted. We need to clean out our terrible quality in the 23-25 age group apart from Christensen, much harder done than said though.

Agree,

[whispers]Bundy is 26 in 11 days[/whispers]

 

[M Malice]

Agree,
[whispers]Bundy is 26 in 11 days[/whispers]

In that case the only ones in that 23-25 age group I would even slightly consider keeping on would be Lester as the coaching and playing group must see some good leadership qualities and Freeman, just turned 23 and a KPF, they take time.

The supposed experience factor benefits from those age group players is a misnomer IMO.

 

[SizeMatters]

Good luck finding any club willing to take on the Rich contract. The only way we can get rid of him is if we pay his contract while he is at another club. Just not going to happen. Wouldn't want to anyway... thats coming from someone who says "trade Rich" every year

 

[carnthemlions]

Do you see a better and realistic way to build a competitive team?

This discussion keeps being repeated over and over and over here, I do not understand how people can still be against it.

Young players are inconsistent, and the only way to develop this consistency is to play them, put in place player development programs for the offseason, etc. This is not something new.

Every young player we have drafted in the past three years makes a difference. Because they are replacing less talented list cloggers, and adding to the long term depth of the future squad.

Every AFL talking head on tv, radio or internet, Fagan, Noble and Schwab before he left, have said Brisbane's best and really only way is to build through the draft, and where possible make astute trades if they benefit the long term list build. This is what I said at the beginning of last season, before the club committed to this strategy. Many disagreed, but it's exactly what the club did.

To be fair, it's not as if we've had much choice in the matter. We've been trying for years, but we were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. All those young players can only do so much if we keep losing our most experienced players.

Really don't think it will be a massive loss if Rich and Stef leave. Archie will replace Stef and we have players like Allison and Witherden who could slot into Rich's role.

Wouldn't be trading Zorko, need more players with pace in the team.

You say that now, but we know it's not true. Maybe young players will step up... in 2-3 years time. In the meantime, we just go backwards again. If we keep doing that, we're entirely ****ed.

 

[Forward We Go]

Do you see a better and realistic way to build a competitive team?

This discussion keeps being repeated over and over and over here, I do not understand how people can still be against it.

Young players are inconsistent, and the only way to develop this consistency is to play them, put in place player development programs for the offseason, etc. This is not something new.

Every young player we have drafted in the past three years makes a difference. Because they are replacing less talented list cloggers, and adding to the long term depth of the future squad.

Every AFL talking head on tv, radio or internet, Fagan, Noble and Schwab before he left, have said Brisbane's best and really only way is to build through the draft, and where possible make astute trades if they benefit the long term list build. This is what I said at the beginning of last season, before the club committed to this strategy. Many disagreed, but it's exactly what the club did.

Think we need to try and find an established KPP that can help our young guns. It was blatently obvious to me on Sunday that our young boys were bullied all day. Hipwood was thrown around like a rag doll ALL THE TIME, not just when the ball was in his zone. They really intimidated him & Schache We really needed a Browny type who would step in & stop that type of BS. Right now, all the "older" guys didn't even recognise any of that happening & even if they did, doubt they could have stopped it because they don't have a decent physical presence that any of the Swanny's would acknowledge.
I have faith in Noble & Fagan to recognise what we need & don't need in this years draft/trade period and I am sure there will be a broom sweeping out a fair bit of our list to make room for some new faces. Hopefully a new face in a Lions jersey but a face we are all familiar with from another club who kicks some arse.

 

[jackess]

Do you see a better and realistic way to build a competitive team?

This discussion keeps being repeated over and over and over here, I do not understand how people can still be against it.

Young players are inconsistent, and the only way to develop this consistency is to play them, put in place player development programs for the offseason, etc. This is not something new.

Every young player we have drafted in the past three years makes a difference. Because they are replacing less talented list cloggers, and adding to the long term depth of the future squad.

Every AFL talking head on tv, radio or internet, Fagan, Noble and Schwab before he left, have said Brisbane's best and really only way is to build through the draft, and where possible make astute trades if they benefit the long term list build. This is what I said at the beginning of last season, before the club committed to this strategy. Many disagreed, but it's exactly what the club did.

How many top 10 picks do the Crows have?

There are other ways. We've already spend several years at the bottom of the ladder and it's taking us nowhere and it will be even longer before we get off the bottom if we trade out the very few senior footballers we have. If we keep the kids.

Without trading them out we are already likely to have 3 top 25 picks this year and a couple more in 2018 and 19. We have top picks coming.

There's rebuilding through the draft and there's completely gutting your list and starting over again without the concessions GC and GWS got. Look at what Melbourne and Carlton have done with a plethora of very high draft picks. It doesn't work.

People have to remember that we don't have the same concessions that GC and GWS had and even still GC are struggling.

 

[blueiris]

Beams is the senior player we need to trade unfortunately he wouldn't net us anything significant Considering he's always injured talk of trading Rich Rocky or Zorko is ludicrous

 

[briztoon]

Think we need to try and find an established KPP that can help our young guns. It was blatently obvious to me on Sunday that our young boys were bullied all day. Hipwood was thrown around like a rag doll ALL THE TIME, not just when the ball was in his zone. They really intimidated him & Schache We really needed a Browny type who would step in & stop that type of BS. Right now, all the "older" guys didn't even recognise any of that happening & even if they did, doubt they could have stopped it because they don't have a decent physical presence that any of the Swanny's would acknowledge.
I have faith in Noble & Fagan to recognise what we need & don't need in this years draft/trade period and I am sure there will be a broom sweeping out a fair bit of our list to make room for some new faces. Hopefully a new face in a Lions jersey but a face we are all familiar with from another club who kicks some arse.

I'm not very familiar with other teams lists, do you have any players in mind? Mind you, we (me anyway) don't want them costing anything trade wise.

 

[scattman3]

Of all our seniour players the only two not traded in that have shown loyalty since being drafted are Rich and Rockliff. Two players who have been in the top ten basically since walking in the door.
And the "logic" is to trade out one or both of these players for more young kids so we become less competetive and struggle to hold onto young players again.
The definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
Rich has consistently signed on with little drama and while i don't think he's overpaid as some do, with the new CBA coming his contract will seem relatively cheap from next year.
Not sure the list needs a clean out as some are implying. Plenty of young talent that needs time to grow. When leppa left he said he finally got the list he wanted. I tend to think that its in pretty good shape with most on the list having some sort of future and purpose for being here. That includes role players/depth such as bewick bell and harwood that keep young kids honest about earning a spot.

 

[Forward We Go]

Of all our seniour players the only two not traded in that have shown loyalty since being drafted are Rich and Rockliff. Two players who have been in the top ten basically since walking in the door.
And the "logic" is to trade out one or both of these players for more young kids so we become less competetive and struggle to hold onto young players again.
The definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
Rich has consistently signed on with little drama and while i don't think he's overpaid as some do, with the new CBA coming his contract will seem relatively cheap from next year.
Not sure the list needs a clean out as some are implying. Plenty of young talent that needs time to grow. When leppa left he said he finally got the list he wanted. I tend to think that its in pretty good shape with most on the list having some sort of future and purpose for being here. That includes role players/depth such as bewick bell and harwood that keep young kids honest about earning a spot.

We need a minder to look after our young guys when they are bullied like they were yesterday. An apprentice (which is what the young guys are doing) needs a tradie around them to help nurture this hidden talent. We don't really have a big strong tradie KPP. Noble is there to fix that.

 

[Eons]

No one said to trade Rockliff, just that some think he may leave this year as a FA.

 

[jackess]

We need a minder to look after our young guys when they are bullied like they were yesterday. An apprentice (which is what the young guys are doing) needs a tradie around them to help nurture this hidden talent. We don't really have a big strong tradie KPP. Noble is there to fix that.

In a season or 2 they should be able to hold their own. I'm not sure there's much need for a very short term fix. Especially with Walker, Close and Freeman on the list.