2017 Trade and FA thread

[Dylan12]

I'm of the view that Walker will keep improving and worth persevering with. Sure he made the odd blunder on Saturday night, but he generally holds his own and thinks and plays like a footballer.

IMO, he is our best option as a KPD aside from Andrews of course.

 

[Dalions]

I'm of the view that Walker will keep improving and worth persevering with. Sure he made the odd blunder on Saturday night, but he generally holds his own and thinks and plays like a footballer.

IMO, he is our best option as a KPD aside from Andrews of course.

I wonder if he will remain in the team when McStay comes back.

 

[M Malice]

I think Walkers first half was really quite good in defense.
Second half got a bit ragged.

The whole team got ragged, along with a few of the supporters.

I'm with you, his first half was good and IMO it is worth giving him a good 4-6 game run at it after the bye and see what happens. We desperately need a big mature body down back and he frees up Harris Andrews to play his more natural role as an intercepting defender.

 

[Forward We Go]

The whole team got ragged, along with a few of the supporters.

I'm with you, his first half was good and IMO it is worth giving him a good 4-6 game run at it after the bye and see what happens. We desperately need a big mature body down back and he frees up Harris Andrews to play his more natural role as an intercepting defender.

Agree. It so happens that Steven May is out of contract at the end of this year. IMO, he is perfect to help Harris & also add some more grunt & aggression to our list. Make him an offer he cant refuse.

 

[Tairy Greene]

It's ok. Kevvo is doing alright despite the voting out of our high profile supporter and Tairy Greene survives despite us never even picking up Toby.

It's ok, heard at the last family reunion that we may be a shot at getting cousin Toby to move up north.

 

[Forward We Go]

Agree. It so happens that Steven May is out of contract at the end of this year. IMO, he is perfect to help Harris & also add some more grunt & aggression to our list. Make him an offer he cant refuse.

Further to this, the following is in my opinion what we desperately need to build on in 2018:
a) key back to help Harris & Walker: May being 26 next year, mature body, aggressive & proven down back would be perfect....PERFECT. No need to look anywhere else imo.
b) Key forward to help Hippy: Thought Close was going to be that man but he often plays like Hippy should and Hippy plays like a strong mature age forward who crash's packs and fly's for most marks. (like Closey should although he is still only 22) Hippy needs a protector down there as well. At 19, he has aggression but not the body yet to back it up. Coming but not now. Lets not wreck him before his body is ready to cope with the bash & crash game. Casboult is probably the best hands in the game right now but his kicking for goal is ordinary. In saying that, how good would it be to have a strong bodied forward clunking marks right now instead of leaving it up the our young guns to do it and getting smashed in the process?
c) Forward coach to help our forwards with kicking for goal & leading up to present for forward entries. Huddo definitely has his upside but kicking for goal & leading patterns is not something he has had much experience in. Suggest Lynchy or Browny would be the man. (tag team if time is a problem)
d) Allow Jed Adcock to assist our mids on how not to panic when in possession of the ball. Also guide them on how to deliver the ball into the forward 50 instead of bombing it down there without looking.
For me, those 4 challenges are what's needed urgently. Obviously there are plenty more however as a priority, they seem to stick out more than others. Interested to hear what others think.

 

[jackess]

Further to this, the following is in my opinion what we desperately need to build on in 2018:
a) key back to help Harris & Walker: May being 26 next year, mature body, aggressive & proven down back would be perfect....PERFECT. No need to look anywhere else imo.
b) Key forward to help Hippy: Thought Close was going to be that man but he often plays like Hippy should and Hippy plays like a strong mature age forward who crash's packs and fly's for most marks. (like Closey should although he is still only 22) Hippy needs a protector down there as well. At 19, he has aggression but not the body yet to back it up. Coming but not now. Lets not wreck him before his body is ready to cope with the bash & crash game. Casboult is probably the best hands in the game right now but his kicking for goal is ordinary. In saying that, how good would it be to have a strong bodied forward clunking marks right now instead of leaving it up the our young guns to do it and getting smashed in the process?
c) Forward coach to help our forwards with kicking for goal & leading up to present for forward entries. Huddo definitely has his upside but kicking for goal & leading patterns is not something he has had much experience in. Suggest Lynchy or Browny would be the man. (tag team if time is a problem)
d) Allow Jed Adcock to assist our mids on how not to panic when in possession of the ball. Also guide them on how to deliver the ball into the forward 50 instead of bombing it down there without looking.
For me, those 4 challenges are what's needed urgently. Obviously there are plenty more however as a priority, they seem to stick out more than others. Interested to hear what others think.

On c) Huddo isn't our goal kicking coach and before this week we had 95 goals 68 which is pretty good ~ 12 goals and 8.5 behinds each game.

 

[Forward We Go]

On c) Huddo isn't our goal kicking coach and before this week we had 95 goals 68 which is pretty good ~ 12 goals and 8.5 behinds each game.

To me its obvious we have issues with the way the ball is bombed into the forward 50 & even more obvious that the key forwards dont have a good leading pattern. Stats look good but that doesnt mean we simply look at the stats & say "thats good, leave it the way it is". Not saying we replace Huddo. Just saying we put more resources in there to make it better

 

[jackess]

To me its obvious we have issues with the way the ball is bombed into the forward 50 & even more obvious that the key forwards dont have a good leading pattern. Stats look good but that doesnt mean we simply look at the stats & say "thats good, leave it the way it is". Not saying we replace Huddo. Just saying we put more resources in there to make it better

But without knowing his coaching methods and the coaching methods of others and all that behind the scene information how can you judge how successful Huddo is at coaching a couple of 19 year old key forwards?


Also, I was just saying before this week goal kicking hadn't been an issue.

 

[SizeMatters]

To me its obvious we have issues with the way the ball is bombed into the forward 50 & even more obvious that the key forwards dont have a good leading pattern. Stats look good but that doesnt mean we simply look at the stats & say "thats good, leave it the way it is". Not saying we replace Huddo. Just saying we put more resources in there to make it better

That's where I am at as well. Inside 50 efficiency is good and all but it's not what separates the good forward lines from the poor. Crows have a bad inside 50 efficiency IIRC. It seems to be the stat that Huddo lovers always point to but the fact is we just don't get enough inside 50s to compete with other teams... whether that's our midfield not liking what they see up the ground (lack of forward line movement has been poor) or lack of defensive pressure to lock the ball and create repeat inside 50s. In truth it's probably both.

 

[dlanod]

It's ok, heard at the last family reunion that we may be a shot at getting cousin Toby to move up north.

If it works I'll go dlanod Greene.

 

[Cockliff38]

If Ben Hudson wasn't a ruckman we're probably not having this conversation

 

[Soren Lorenson]

If it works I'll go dlanod Greene.

Soren Greeneson

 

[davemc_lions]

I still think the Hawks will have another clean out and seeing Fagan was close to a lot of them. We might be a chance to get someone

We need someone for 1-2 years to help on field leader and take pressure off the young guys.

With walker he played like a lot of our backline as a forward. Will take some time

 

[Forward We Go]

If Ben Hudson wasn't a ruckman we're probably not having this conversation

Don't understand what you mean by that statement but..... normally a goal kicking coach has experience in goal kicking, a ruck coach has experience in rucking and a midfield coach has played a few games in the midfield in his day. Doesn't automatically make them a good coach but sure does give them a good start over someone else. No disrespect to Huddo (said that 1000 times because of the Huddo lovers getting upset) but if Lynchy was available, I would be wrapped to see him help out the young KPF's in conjunction with Huddo. He sometimes does get out there atm but not in an official capacity.
In a more simplistic view, to win games we need to kick more goals than the opposition. So far this year we have only done that once in a game, hence we have only won 1 game. That's a stat worth considering as well as the others Huddo lovers mention each week. The way the forwards lead needs tweaking and the way the ball comes into the forward line also needs a review. If we can get better at something even when we are perceived as being "not bad" at the moment, why wouldn't you continue to improve & get stronger? To me it's irrelevant who our current forwards coach is, there are things we can be better at so lets get better at them.

 

[Forward We Go]

But without knowing his coaching methods and the coaching methods of others and all that behind the scene information how can you judge how successful Huddo is at coaching a couple of 19 year old key forwards?


Also, I was just saying before this week goal kicking hadn't been an issue.

It's called continuous improvement.
I am not on the coaching panel or have any influence over what is taught to these 19 year olds but I can see room to get better in those areas which will also provide a positive impact on our overall performance.

 

[BRAB]

Ben Hudson is a weird unit and goes about his coaching strangely. Saw it with my own two eyes. He is the problem.

 

[jackess]

Don't understand what you mean by that statement but..... normally a goal kicking coach has experience in goal kicking, a ruck coach has experience in rucking and a midfield coach has played a few games in the midfield in his day. Doesn't automatically make them a good coach but sure does give them a good start over someone else. No disrespect to Huddo (said that 1000 times because of the Huddo lovers getting upset) but if Lynchy was available, I would be wrapped to see him help out the young KPF's in conjunction with Huddo. He sometimes does get out there atm but not in an official capacity.
In a more simplistic view, to win games we need to kick more goals than the opposition. So far this year we have only done that once in a game, hence we have only won 1 game. That's a stat worth considering as well as the others Huddo lovers mention each week. The way the forwards lead needs tweaking and the way the ball comes into the forward line also needs a review. If we can get better at something even when we are perceived as being "not bad" at the moment, why wouldn't you continue to improve & get stronger? To me it's irrelevant who our current forwards coach is, there are things we can be better at so lets get better at them.

Again, Hudson isn't the goal kicking coach.

Here's a list of the coaching panels. You'll notice that very few forward coaches kicked a lot of goals at AFL level. So maybe the people paid to run these clubs and hire coaches believe that having a great AFL career playing forward isn't an important factor in a persons ability as a forward coach.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-11/your-clubs-coaching-structures-2017

 

[Forward We Go]

Again, Hudson isn't the goal kicking coach.

Here's a list of the coaching panels. You'll notice that very few forward coaches kicked a lot of goals at AFL level. So maybe the people paid to run these clubs and hire coaches believe that great AFL careers playing forward aren't an important factor in a persons ability as a forward coach.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-11/your-clubs-coaching-structures-2017

Its not just goal kicking I am talking about. I'm done with this subject. It just goes round & round & round.

 

[jackess]

Its not just goal kicking I am talking about.

So you understand that Ben Hudson's inexperience at goal kicking at AFL level doesn't effect the coaching of goal kicking at the club currently?

 

[spotthedog1]

Again, Hudson isn't the goal kicking coach.

Here's a list of the coaching panels. You'll notice that very few forward coaches kicked a lot of goals at AFL level. So maybe the people paid to run these clubs and hire coaches believe that having a great AFL career playing forward isn't an important factor in a persons ability as a forward coach.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-11/your-clubs-coaching-structures-2017

If you really want to nitpick. He's the forwards coach, so you'd expect him to cover goal kicking and leading patterns, etc.

 

[JohnHinckleyJr]

I wonder if he will remain in the team when McStay comes back.

do you think he will stay or mcstay will stay or will they both stay my moneys on mcstay staying

 

[jackess]

If you really want to nitpick. He's the forwards coach, so you'd expect him to cover goal kicking and leading patterns, etc.

Why? Why does a forward coach have to teach goal kicking?

 

[BRAB]

Why? Why does a forward coach have to teach goal kicking?

I don't understand why these people don't get that the defensive coach runs the goalkicking drills.

 

[spotthedog1]

Why? Why does a forward coach have to teach goal kicking?

Are you asking why the forwards coach would be in charge of what happens in the forward line?