2017 Trade and FA thread

[Roadto2018]

6 and 8 for Schache or GTFO.

Only if throw in Matty Eagles as steak knives, deal has to be fair.

 

[Roadto2018]

I'd do 1 and a late 2nd rounder for your 6 & 8.

Yeah that's doable, would prefer a 2018 2nd personally.

 

[briztoon]

With currently picks 6 and 8, would a deal interest any of you for pick 1? Obviously extras can be included.

Extras such as?

Let's wait until after the season finishes to see where the non playoff teams finish. There's a bit of optimism around here that we may not finish with the spoon, so you may be talking to the wrong club.

But purely as an academic discussion, this might be a year I might consider it, but I am not the club. Partly because there is no stand out player or players at the very top of the draft, and there is some debate about whether the top 4 players are that much more talented than the next 4 to 6 players. However there are only two players I would consider from a Lions perspective in the 5 to 10 range, and they would not be guaranteed to be available at picks 6 and 8. Where as 3 of the top 4 rated players genuinely fill a need.

 

[Fatcat08]

I'd do 1 and a late 2nd rounder for your 6 & 8.

I wouldn't be throwing anything else in TBH. 6 is a long way from 1. Not sure i'd look at doing that personally. I'd be happy moving down to 3 at the least, not any further.

 

[briztoon]

I'd do 1 and a late 2nd rounder for your 6 & 8.

Yeah that's doable, would prefer a 2018 2nd personally.

Except we do do not currently own a late second round pick. We do own an early third round pick. Not a chance are we including a 2018 second round pick in such a deal.

 

[Roadto2018]

Except we do do not currently own a late second round pick. We do own an early third round pick. Not a chance are we including a 2018 second round pick in such a deal.

Mmm true true, I'm sure our list mgmt staff will be more creative than I if they choose to try and trade for a high pick.

 

[Fitzroy bears]

Why would Schache have agreed to the deal though? I have no idea how re-signing when he was OOC would've worked for him if he actually wanted to leave. We'd be assuming that he felt loyal enough to want us to get a good deal and prepared to risk being stuck here over that?

This still seems pretty implausible to me.

I know it's not the nba but it happens quite a bit. Sign and trade deals help both parties to achieve an amicable outcome. Not saying that this is the case though.

 

[briztoon]

I wouldn't be throwing anything else in TBH. 6 is a long way from 1. Not sure i'd look at doing that personally. I'd be happy moving down to 3 at the least, not any further.

I'd move down to four.

One current draft board looks like this.

1. Rayner
2. LDU
3. Cerra
4. Dow
5. Coffield
6. Constable
7. Brander
8. Stephensen
9. Garner
10. Hayes

It's hard to see more than one or two kids from outside the top 10 pushing inside the top 10. Maybe Hayes slides like Tim English did last year, because clubs are reluctant to draft a ruck so high.

I could see Andrew Brayshaw, and maybe either Hunter Clark or Lochie O'Brien pushing in to the top 10.

 

[dlanod]

I know it's not the nba but it happens quite a bit. Sign and trade deals help both parties to achieve an amicable outcome. Not saying that this is the case though.

The NBA is significantly different as the original club has the ability to offer the player more favourable contract terms than receiving clubs.

A sign and trade in the NBA allows the player to sign a larger contract than he would have gotten, while still ending up at his desired club, and his original club gets some compensation for losing that player, so everyone wins.

None of this is the case in the AFL.

 

[SizeMatters]

If Hunter Clark is at our second pick we will take him. Bookmark it.

I hope we don't trade out Ports pick just for this TBH. I think there may be a selection surprise or two on draft day.

 

[Fitzroy bears]

The NBA is significantly different as the original club has the ability to offer the player more favourable contract terms than receiving clubs.

A sign and trade in the NBA allows the player to sign a larger contract than he would have gotten, while still ending up at his desired club, and his original club gets some compensation for losing that player, so everyone wins.

None of this is the case in the AFL.

Hence, I know not the nba comment

 

[Fitzroy bears]

I don't know why so many people worried about schache report anyway. For the people who "know" he is staying. He is contracted, of course he is. For the people who would entertain the idea of a trade, We are in much better position with hm being contracted. No worries on either side. There is no player backlash after a trade either cause schache would have consented to the trade. Point is no matter what happens we win.

 

[Dylan12]

If Hunter Clark is at our second pick we will take him. Bookmark it.

I hope we don't trade out Ports pick just for this TBH. I think there may be a selection surprise or two on draft day.

Then surely we need another pick from somewhere predicating needing a late first / early second round pick for Ballenden and possible Cameron.

 

[Fitzroy bears]

Dlanod, your point is not lost on me and I know where your coming from, however we have seen the introduction of free agency and soon we will see the introduction of trading live draft picks which are both Americanised mechanisms of their sport, we have also seen clubs dabble in American recruiting strategies such as the " money ball" strategy. My point was that maybe on a lesser scale clubs will be open to trying new list management techniques, even ones that are pioneered in the US to advance their club forward in the modern-day AFL, especially small market clubs like us and north. I wasn't and I am not saying that is what is happening, just suggesting the possibility.

 

[M Malice]

Brett Anderson on SEN today, "Don't rule out a Josh Schache trade, all I'll say is watch this space".

I will be flabbergasted if Schache or the club seeks a trade.

 

[Dom PC]

Sounds like a few jornos are putting their hat in the ring so they can come back and say "yep, I told you so!" if the 1% chance trade actually happened.

I would be stunned if we let Schache go even if he is still a bit home sick.

 

[Dylan12]

Brett Anderson on SEN today, "Don't rule out a Josh Schache trade, all I'll say is watch this space".

I will be flabbergasted if Schache or the club seeks a trade.

Heard that; something is definitely afoot in regards to Schache it would seem, although I can't work out who is driving the murmurs; the club or Josh and his management.

 

[Eons]

Obviously extras can be included.

Happy ending?

 

[Roadto2018]

Happy ending?

That can be arranged.


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[Tom14]

Heard that; something is definitely afoot in regards to Schache it would seem, although I can't work out who is driving the murmurs; the club or Josh and his management.

Really doubt it would be the club - particularly given that club figures like Swann have been very vocal that Schache's re-signing demonstrates how we have turned around retention etc etc. I suppose he could have changed his mind in the last 6 weeks or there could have been a family issue crop up, but seems more likely it is opportunistic media/victorian clubs still circling if anything at all.

 

[Dylan12]

I suppose he could have changed his mind in the last 6 weeks or there could have been a family issue crop up, but seems more likely it is opportunistic media/victorian clubs still circling if anything at all.

That could be the case too, which I wouldn't put past the Victorian AFL journos, however, too much is being said in recent weeks where usually, where there is smoke, there is fire. Certainly hope I am wrong though because I really want Josh to success at the Lions long-term, but this constant noise is worrying...again.

 

[Dalions]

Really doubt it would be the club - particularly given that club figures like Swann have been very vocal that Schache's re-signing demonstrates how we have turned around retention etc etc. I suppose he could have changed his mind in the last 6 weeks or there could have been a family issue crop up, but seems more likely it is opportunistic media/victorian clubs still circling if anything at all.

Generally once a player has signed an extension. The media move onto others pretty quickly. Which they did, but have now come back to him. Seems a little odd, and there may be something to it. But it is certainly a very strange situation.
Being 2yrs left on his contract you would have to drive a very hard bargain.

 

[carnthemlions]

Brian Waldron (aka Northern Spy & ex dodgy Storm chief) was the first to bring up the possibility of Schache being back on the table in mid July.

As unlikely as it is to happen and as much of a ***** Waldron is, he doesn't have a bad record. Just looked back and he called Gibbs last year before it happened. The Cameron rumour to us months ago, Barker to Suns earlier this year (which admittedly hasn't happened yet) etc etc.

But yeah surely not...

I think Waldron's very lucky league doesn't have much support in vicotria. Even then, I'm still surprised he's able to maintain any sort of credibility. The guy's an absolute joke and the fact that he has a job at sen shows just how unprofessional sports media is in australia.

 

[Tom14]

That could be the case too, which I wouldn't put past the Victorian AFL journos, however, too much is being said in recent weeks where usually, where there is smoke, there is fire. Certainly hope I am wrong though because I really want Josh to success at the Lions long-term, but this constant noise is worrying...again.

The fact that it started with Waldron gives me pause, as well as the fact that he said it barely a month after Schache had re-signed and before he had returned to the Seniors.


It would be one of the most bizarre backflips in recent times - particularly given that the club appears to be finally heading in the right direction.

I haven't had a chance to listen to what Brett Andersen said yet - does anyone have a link?

 

[Dylan12]

I haven't had a chance to listen to what Brett Andersen said yet - does anyone have a link?

Scroll down to Brett Anderson on Afternoons on this link and you can listen to it - https://www.sen.com.au/audio/