2017 Trade and FA thread

[winged1]

ok word predictor strikes again......Close

But no ceeegar

 

[Grizzly86]

Delist/trade/move:
Freeman
Clayton
Jansen
Rockliff
(R) Hinge
(R) William
(R) Grewar
If we can:
Bell
Paparone
Frost
Dawson
Lyons

Keep:
CBeams
Harwood
Close
(R) CHanley
(R) Eagles
(R) Barrett
(R) Hammelman

Get:
- Cameron
- Mature leader type looking to move into coaching
- Midfield draft talent
- Speedy running half back
- Maybe Hartung

The club won't move Rocky on, it will have to be Rocky wanting out.

Lyons is a first year draftee and is on the cusp of selection, he won't be going anywhere.

It will likely come down to Beams or Harwood in my opinion. Harwood may be a bit more durable, Beams is the more talented of the two.

I'd like to keep Eagles, but am unsure if the club see him a depth option in the ruck or Key Position. IF we can pay out Frost, we may re-rookie Eagles in case of emergency.

Cameron + Ballenden + Inside mid x 2 + Fast outside mid = 5 required list spots.

 

[blueiris]

The club won't move Rocky on, it will have to be Rocky wanting out.

Lyons is a first year draftee and is on the cusp of selection, he won't be going anywhere.

It will likely come down to Beams or Harwood in my opinion. Harwood may be a bit more durable, Beams is the more talented of the two.

I'd like to keep Eagles, but am unsure if the club see him a depth option in the ruck or Key Position. IF we can pay out Frost, we may re-rookie Eagles in case of emergency.

Cameron + Ballenden + Inside mid x 2 + Fast outside mid = 5 required list spots.

Both Mathieson and Berry will be added as inside midfielders can see us address some more outside skill with McCluggage and Taylor really the only young players in our midfield there's talk of adding Witherden to that Cameron if he comes cheap would be great but I think we should look at Motlop drafting Dow and Brayshaw we have some great midfielders in next year's draft who are rated very highly as Father/Sons in Blakely and Bradshaw

 

[Codeforgolions]

LOL at all the ppl doing mental gymnastics trying to protect list cloggers. If they're not good enough, then ship them out.

Absolutely agree

 

[SizeMatters]

Delist/trade/move:
Freeman
Clayton
Jansen
Rockliff
(R) Hinge
(R) William
(R) Grewar
If we can:
Bell
Paparone
Frost
Dawson
Lyons

Keep:
CBeams
Harwood
Close
(R) CHanley
(R) Eagles
(R) Barrett
(R) Hammelman

Get:
- Cameron
- Mature leader type looking to move into coaching
- Midfield draft talent
- Speedy running half back
- Maybe Hartung

Wasn't Beams a delist candidate last week along with Hammelmann?

 

[Codeforgolions]

If you are not into hypotheticals then this whole conversation is pointless because l am 90% sure that paying someone out is not going to happen under the FagNob dept. Yes winning is a big part of culture but also trust within this group. There won't be any trust if we start disregarding contracts and paying them out. I don't think Bell, Frost will amount to anything but they are under contract and deserve to finish it out. We can still get mature age recruits with the delistees we will have this year.
Out: Freeman, Beams, Clayton, Jansen.
That is already 4 there, l would think we need only one more.

TRUST - The thing about trust ,in my opinion ,it is based on absolute honesty. if the players are not part of our plan going forward, simply not good enough, tell them to their face like a man,don't let them hear it from a third party because thats exactly when the trust of the playing group implodes and causes or should i say, tarnishes the Club's name and brand.

 

[Lazza16]

The club won't move Rocky on, it will have to be Rocky wanting out.

Lyons is a first year draftee and is on the cusp of selection, he won't be going anywhere.

It will likely come down to Beams or Harwood in my opinion. Harwood may be a bit more durable, Beams is the more talented of the two.

I'd like to keep Eagles, but am unsure if the club see him a depth option in the ruck or Key Position. IF we can pay out Frost, we may re-rookie Eagles in case of emergency.

Cameron + Ballenden + Inside mid x 2 + Fast outside mid = 5 required list spots.

The club may not move Rocky on but may make an offer that will make Rocky want to move on eg. $500,000 per year.

 

[a mayes ing]

TRUST - The thing about trust ,in my opinion ,it is based on absolute honesty. if the players are not part of our plan going forward, simply not good enough, tell them to their face like a man,don't let them hear it from a third party because thats exactly when the trust of the playing group implodes and causes or should i say, tarnishes the Club's name and brand.

It is based on honesty but to get rid of their careers early when there is no need is silly. How do we know they are not part of our plan going forward. Crisp a few years ago was gonna be delisted. He had a few games toward the end of the season and performed fairly strongly. He then went to Collingwood as a bargaining tool for the Beams trade.
"Tell them to their face like a man, don't let them hear it from a third party"? Hear what? That they will be delisted? Ridiculous, Fagan isn't going to say to a random "third party" that this guy is going to be delisted.
Seriously though, silly conversation, no matter how much you want Frost, Bell to be delisted and paid out, it ain't gonna happen.

 

[Dylan12]

Was reported on one of Monday's footy shows that of the first round picks from 2016, all have re-signed with the exception of McCluggage and McGrath at Essendon, although McGrath's re-signing is a forgone conclusion.

The discussion wasn't about McCluggage but it was as an interesting point nonetheless.

 

[Ruse]

Wasn't Beams a delist candidate last week along with Hammelmann?

Yes.

 

[a mayes ing]

Was reported on one of Monday's footy shows that of the first round picks from 2016, all have re-signed with the exception of McCluggage and McGrath at Essendon, although McGrath's re-signing is a forgone conclusion.

The discussion wasn't about McCluggage but it was as an interesting point nonetheless.

I doubt McCluggage will leave, Berry has been in his ear.

 

[Nunez]

Clugg loves it here. Don't worry about him.

 

[Cockliff38]

Clugg loves it here. Don't worry about him.

That's all well and good but we know how his manager likes to play ball. He might sign, in time, but we'll have to wait and with that comes speculation and concern (mostly among us as fans).

 

[Hollow Knight]

That's all well and good but we know how his manager likes to play ball. He might sign, in time, but we'll have to wait and with that comes speculation and concern (mostly among us as fans).

I think his manager probably learned a few lessons from how he mismanaged Schache this year.

I am very relaxed about Hugh. He will extend.

 

[Forward We Go]

Clugg loves it here. Don't worry about him.

Inside info or your opinion?

 

[BRAB]

I think Witherden will be getting some huge offers as well, has had an amazing start to his career

 

[SizeMatters]

I think Witherden will be getting some huge offers as well, has had an amazing start to his career

Witherden is the one I'll be most worried about. Can't see him leaving personally but I think opposition clubs might see him as someone they can pry away.

 

[BRAB]

Witherden is the one I'll be most worried about. Can't see him leaving personally but I think opposition clubs might see him as someone they can pry away.

Absolutely. Think every club will be at least asking the question.

 

[Nunez]

Inside info or your opinion?

I was inside when I shared my opinion, does that count?

I've heard very positive things regarding Hugh from one of the players. I am not worried at all.

 

[Forward We Go]

Absolutely. Think every club will be at least asking the question.

Alex loves it here (and that's inside info) but like all our young guns in a couple of years, they will be hard work to hang on to. Hippy's current contract is up at the end of 2019. Imagine if (like Schache) it was up at the end of this year and he had not yet extended? (for whatever reason)
All these young guns will have (hopefully) 50-100 games under their belts in 2-3 years and have been part of the footy club's rise out of that murkey bucket of s*** to (at worst) threatening to play finals. Providing we make them fair offers financially, I think they will want to stay together and enjoy raising at least 1 premiership cup one fine day.

 

[Forward We Go]

I was inside when I shared my opinion, does that count?

I've heard very positive things regarding Hugh from one of the players. I am not worried at all.

I am not that confident with Hugh as I am with others.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Absolutely. Think every club will be at least asking the question.

He's our best young player in my opinion. Going to turn into a high quality player.

 

[HowYouDoin]

With balladen coming in, we really are stressed for tall forward options. So, close and freeman will obviously have to move on as they're far behind the pack.

 

[briztoon]

Alex loves it here (and that's inside info) but like all our young guns in a couple of years, they will be hard work to hang on to. Hippy's current contract is up at the end of 2019. Imagine if (like Schache) it was up at the end of this year and he had not yet extended? (for whatever reason)
All these young guns will have (hopefully) 50-100 games under their belts in 2-3 years and have been part of the footy club's rise out of that murkey bucket of s*** to (at worst) threatening to play finals. Providing we make them fair offers financially, I think they will want to stay together and enjoy raising at least 1 premiership cup one fine day.

Just an observation. If a kid plays every game possible, with no finals footy, he won't reach 100 games until early in to his 5th season.

 

[snooplions]

Saw a strange comment on Facebook before Schache re-signed, implying that Witherden was encouraging Schache to go back to Vic. Sounded like normal fb nonsense to me but it was specific enough to make me think twice.

Last years draft is already giving us a great deal of hope for the future, would be amazing if they all extended their contracts for another two years and settled in Brisbane.