2017 trade/draft thread

[Happy Mastenator]

Opinions are going to differ there. Some may suggest Vardy's gone past Lycett's contributions already.

If Lycett continues losing time to injury we're not selling low, we're just selling.

They'd be wrong, very wrong. Happy for any statical evidence to be presented showing otherwise

 

[WCErevival]

Lycett is still better. Its just the old Bigfooty goldfish memory.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Him, Tim Kelly, and Liam Ryan would be worth a look at with late round / rookie picks. It would be a shame to burn high picks after ignoring them for years.

Jarrod Garlett and Jono Marsh would be worth looking at with late picks/rookie also spots imo. Both showed they could play at AFL level

 

[FKASC]

Ok since we are no chance to get Will Minson yet again, this is my trade prediction:

Scott Lycett, Andrew Gaff, Chris Masten, Will Schofield to Gold Coast for Jack Martin. Elevate Francis Watson, draft Liam Ryan, extend Josh Hill at the expense of Lecras. Hurn steps down, Martin takes the captaincy with Lewis Jetta elevated to the leadership group. Andrew McLeod into the coaches box with responsibility for the forward line. Get it done.

Thought you were srs at first.

Would love Jack Martin either way

 

[new breed]

Rookies I would look at

Matt Guelfi
Liam Baker
Toby Watson SD

All should be available but these are WA players , we normally rookie WA players .

 

[Samikin]

not necessarily. Saints need some midfielders that aren't kids, and we need some kids to start the rebuild, so pick 8 suits us. I think Gaff is of more value to them than pick 8. But more valuable to us.

Asked terry wallace what he thinks Gaff would be worth. He said a first and second rounder. Also doesn't think Acres would be worth a second.

 

[Moose1414]

Thought you were srs at first.

Would love Jack Martin either way

Haha. I am 82% serious. Maybe give him 2 years to work his way to our best player status before giving him the captaincy.

 

[Obeanie1]

Asked terry wallace what he thinks Gaff would be worth. He said a first and second rounder. Also doesn't think Acres would be worth a second.

If we got a 1st and Acres for Gaff we would take that and run.

He's half right.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

We should shop Lycett around, he is probably the only chip we have that could net something of value and not be counter productive.

Gaff too if we can get overs.

People are going to lose their minds when we draft kpp/kpf's with our first picks this year.

the idea of trading lycett makes me sick to the stomach. vardy has been injury prone his entire life and has been very lucky this season however who is to say he wont fall over again. for the record lycett has had more games than vardy. if we got rid of lycett and vardy went down leaving nic nat with all the work itd shaft us hard. and with giles leaving i think we need to draft another ruckman to protect the squad.

 

[Bob Fossil]

the idea of trading lycett makes me sick to the stomach. vardy has been injury prone his entire life and has been very lucky this season however who is to say he wont fall over again. for the record lycett has had more games than vardy. if we got rid of lycett and vardy went down leaving nic nat with all the work itd shaft us hard. and with giles leaving i think we need to draft another ruckman to protect the squad.

Lycett has been pretty injury prone himself...

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Lycett has been pretty injury prone himself...

so who has played more games in their careers then?

pretty confident lycett has in such a shorter period of time. and lycett only has had injuries in the last year or two

vardy has been injured for 7 years. 7. only this year hes been lucky. sounds a lot like xavier ellis all over again

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Outsider here - but just intrigued as to why we never hear of the Eagles being in the hunt for a big name recruit? I would have thought West Coast would have been all over players like Josh Kelly, Dustin Martin or Tom Rockliffe especially with Priddis & Mitchell retiring but the Eagles were never in the conversation.. Will the Eagles only look at players from Perth to trade in?

 

[bombard]

I'd happily take Fasolo if he comes with a "I want to go home" discount, ie. Yeo.

Also I remember an interview with him in his first season - he grew up supporting us and, moreover, he said something along the lines of "I bloody hate Fremantle."

Sign him up.

 

[Bob Fossil]

so who has played more games in their careers then?

pretty confident lycett has in such a shorter period of time. and lycett only has had injuries in the last year or two

vardy has been injured for 7 years. 7. only this year hes been lucky. sounds a lot like xavier ellis all over again

You could have googled that to discover that Lycett has 3 more games and is year younger. Probably also has a bit do with Geelongs ruck/fwd depth during that period.

I'm not sure how a persons injuries occurring more recently indicate they are less injury prone.

 

[WCErevival]

Outsider here - but just intrigued as to why we never hear of the Eagles being in the hunt for a big name recruit? I would have thought West Coast would have been all over players like Josh Kelly, Dustin Martin or Tom Rockliffe especially with Priddis & Mitchell retiring but the Eagles were never in the conversation.. Will the Eagles only look at players from Perth to trade in?

They usually are it just doesn't get talked about in the media much for some reason. The club has said before that they enquire about most players that are available. Maybe there is little chance of them coming here so the media dont bother talking about it.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Outsider here - but just intrigued as to why we never hear of the Eagles being in the hunt for a big name recruit? I would have thought West Coast would have been all over players like Josh Kelly, Dustin Martin or Tom Rockliffe especially with Priddis & Mitchell retiring but the Eagles were never in the conversation.. Will the Eagles only look at players from Perth to trade in?

Because those players have never indicated a desire to move to Perth. What big name who is a non-west Australian would ever choose Perth?

 

[Coaster2012]

http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/wa-...-wafl-sandover-medallist-20170919-gyk8xm.html

Actually not sure why we don't draft more mature recruits from the WAFL who are killing it.

"Schloithe, 24, was a runaway Sandover winner on Monday night in Perth with 52 votes, after polling in 13 of his 20 home-and-away engagements with an average of around 28 disposals an outing and 28 goals for the season."

Can't be any worse than Masten or Wellingham.

 

[Coaster2012]

Outsider here - but just intrigued as to why we never hear of the Eagles being in the hunt for a big name recruit? I would have thought West Coast would have been all over players like Josh Kelly, Dustin Martin or Tom Rockliffe especially with Priddis & Mitchell retiring but the Eagles were never in the conversation.. Will the Eagles only look at players from Perth to trade in?

Don't always believe what the newspapers tell you.

i.e Buddy to the Swans. Mitchell to WC last year. All blind sides.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Because those players have never indicated a desire to move to Perth. What big name who is a non-west Australian would ever choose Perth?

Dont ask, dont get.. Not every player wants to play in Melbourne and Perth has a lot to offer. West Coast has a reputation as a big club like Collingwood, Essendon etc and sure it was tainted over the Cousins, Kerr stuff but I would think a big club like WCE would be far more attractive to a potential recruit than a team like North Melbourne or St Kilda.

I honestly think the 'go home' factor is over played. In NBA players leave home at 18 to go to college and spend there whole careers away from home, in Soccer players travel all over the world to play sport. If the offer is right and the club environment is strong enough it should not be a factor.

 

[Shoei]

Outsider here - but just intrigued as to why we never hear of the Eagles being in the hunt for a big name recruit? I would have thought West Coast would have been all over players like Josh Kelly, Dustin Martin or Tom Rockliffe especially with Priddis & Mitchell retiring but the Eagles were never in the conversation.. Will the Eagles only look at players from Perth to trade in?

Virtually impossible to get a "big name" to head West to either the Eagles or Dockers from Melbourne or Sydney, unless they are from WA/SA/QLD originally. Living in Perth just isn't that appealing (same issue Adelaide and Brisbane have) when the poor babies have to move away from mums cooking, high school friends and their wives are no longer able to attend all the fashion shows and social calendar events on the East coast.

Dustin Martin gets an offer of $1.5m from the Eagles and $1.3m from someone like North. That extra $200k isn't worth living in Perth and travelling each week.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Don't always believe what the newspapers tell you.

i.e Buddy to the Swans. Mitchell to WC last year. All blind sides.

Besides Sam Mitchell last year who was a tad different circumstances when was the last high profile player that WCE picked up in a trade, or even via Free agency?? Even Yeo was hardly proven when he made the move.

 

[Shoei]

Dont ask, dont get.. Not every player wants to play in Melbourne and Perth has a lot to offer. West Coast has a reputation as a big club like Collingwood, Essendon etc and sure it was tainted over the Cousins, Kerr stuff but I would think a big club like WCE would be far more attractive to a potential recruit than a team like North Melbourne or St Kilda.

I honestly think the 'go home' factor is over played. In NBA players leave home at 18 to go to college and spend there whole careers away from home, in Soccer players travel all over the world to play sport. If the offer is right and the club environment is strong enough it should not be a factor.

You're comparing chalk and cheese though.

Soccer players moving to Europe do so for a better life (often very poor upbringings) or for vastly more money.

Same in the NBA. You can play for the worst team eg Bobcats and still make $15m a season as a starter or go sit on the bench at Golden state for half that.

Because of the AFLs shitty "must spend 95% of the salary cap" there's never a massive financial incentive difference between offers to lure players to unwanted destinations.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Dont ask, dont get.. Not every player wants to play in Melbourne and Perth has a lot to offer. West Coast has a reputation as a big club like Collingwood, Essendon etc and sure it was tainted over the Cousins, Kerr stuff but I would think a big club like WCE would be far more attractive to a potential recruit than a team like North Melbourne or St Kilda.

I honestly think the 'go home' factor is over played. In NBA players leave home at 18 to go to college and spend there whole careers away from home, in Soccer players travel all over the world to play sport. If the offer is right and the club environment is strong enough it should not be a factor.

Im sure we do ask. It goes like this. So Josh Kelly interested in Perth. Answer: No.

Also North and St Kilda have same issue in drawing free agents. Biggest joke all year was that Dusty and Kelly were considering north.

Your second paragraph has no relevance to AFL and the make up for the league.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

I honestly think the 'go home' factor is over played. In NBA players leave home at 18 to go to college and spend there whole careers away from home, in Soccer players travel all over the world to play sport. If the offer is right and the club environment is strong enough it should not be a factor.

I know nothing about the NBA but in AFL there is also a salary cap so the differences in offers is generally not so enticing to be able to "poach" a player from Melbourne to come West. In soccer, throw more money around and you can get who you want if you are a decent club. As others have said, we do inquire but there is little interest usually, even from West Aussies who have moved East. This is one problem with free agency, some destinations are just not as attractive as others and when you can't overcompensate for that, it will create a more uneven comp in time.

 

[Agent93]

Outsider here - but just intrigued as to why we never hear of the Eagles being in the hunt for a big name recruit? I would have thought West Coast would have been all over players like Josh Kelly, Dustin Martin or Tom Rockliffe especially with Priddis & Mitchell retiring but the Eagles were never in the conversation.. Will the Eagles only look at players from Perth to trade in?

Two reasons:
1. Vic-centric media. Even if the local journos get wind of such a thing it doesn't get wind in Melbourne until one of the Victorian journos thinks/writes/says the same thing.
2. Players don't tend to want to move to a worse travelling situation. 50% of the clubs in the competition play more than 50% of their games at the same two grounds which are less than 20km apart. It's a very easy situation to deal with than having a 5 hour flight and 3 day break from your family every second week.