2017 trade/draft thread

[Abed]

Short answer is that I would consider it a reach that was a little to far for my liking.
If we had our inside midfielders as a collective in better shape and a few more of them then ....maybe ..... but I am always loathe to reach unless its for the final missing piece as per what Hawthorn did with Isaac Smith.

I would think that there will be some very enticing players still available at at second pick that could be handy pick ups at this point in the draft.
To name a few that may still be on the board:

We could get kissed on the dick and have Lachlan Fogarty slide.

But more realistically:

James Worpel, Charlie Spargo, Dylan Moore, Zac Bailey...... and then there are the two players who have only recently come back from injury (who both were pre injury touted as first rounders ) being Aiden Bonar and Jack Roughsedge. Bonar in particular is one to watch in the finals for Dandy he is a powerful unit.

So thats a difficult question Ellroy80.

I would prefer that we trade a player or two ( even a future second or third round pick ) and see if we can pick up another second or an extra early third rounder, to use on Kelly.

Thanks Monocle, I appreciate your detailed reply. [emoji106]

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

AFL ready, Jack Higgins, wins the Morrish Medal

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Neither was Jackovich and yet he turned out OK.

And from my experiencing some of the best and easiest players that I coached were the dumb ones, they don't over analyse and complicate things they just play to instructions.

Think you missed the joke.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Ryan was a young kid from the country playing his first season (in which he kicked 51 goals from 20 games) after moving down from Geraldton, his fitness was never going to be AFL standard until he'd had a decent pre-season or two under his belt. A recruiting department with half a brain (and whose team is seriously lacking in crumbing small forwards) would have realised this and having watched him last year also realised that he was a talented kid who could be a great player with the right coaching and development.

I think it is more the fact he didn't turn up for training on time or at all with regularly . Also a no show at recovery sessions a lot of the time. He is the kind of kid that if he went to a professional environment at an afl club he would just crack it and leave with what was expected of him .

He needs to commit at wafl level first where they are using a softly , softly approach before someone will be willing to draft him

 

[bl4ke]

Just out of curiosity, what has clem smith been up to this season?

 

[swannies]

Take Kelly with our second, Ryan with our third. Problem solved. (I doubt it'll work out like this, but you never know.)

I wouldn't necessarily call that a good draft though. I suspect there may be better options at these picks when it comes down to it.
Liam Ryan's defensive efforts were non existent last year and he was blowing up by quarter time without having left Subi's 50m arc. So there was good reasons for not selecting him, because he wasn't going to offer any midfield rotations. Yes, he can kick goals but he won't be given the ski rope at AFL that he is allowed at WAFL. Fourth or lower and I'd take him, no probs.
Kelley I would definitely take higher than Ryan.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

True but the Muppets still need a decent KPF or two or three to kick to otherwise the run and carry of a Kelly is wasted.

They also need HBFs with good footskills . Kelly should be a low priority

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Just out of curiosity, what has clem smith been up to this season?

Was originally going back to Perth but ended up playing country footy for Boyup Brook.

 

[squashface]

Was originally going back to Perth but ended up playing country footy for Boyup Brook.

He was in calculations (at least on BigFooty) for our first round pick that year right? Some people should give the club a break sometimes.

 

[liam123]

I think it is more the fact he didn't turn up for training on time or at all with regularly . Also a no show at recovery sessions a lot of the time. He is the kind of kid that if he went to a professional environment at an afl club he would just crack it and leave with what was expected of him .

He needs to commit at wafl level first where they are using a softly , softly approach before someone will be willing to draft him

Mate apparently it's fine to have unfit rookies with crappy attitude because they are there to develop or some shit.

 

[FKASC]

Was originally going back to Perth but ended up playing country footy for Boyup Brook.

Without delving into 5 pages of social commentary, it is a real shame how many highly rated WA indigenous players are dropping out of the system completely after a few years of being drafted

 

[ziad]

Without delving into 5 pages of social commentary, it is a real shame how many highly rated WA indigenous players are dropping out of the system completely after a few years of being drafted

a couple of issues:

who rates them and is it accurate or local hype
what is the drop out rate for indigenous V no indiginous
if there is an issue (real date based) rather than perception what are the factors?

 

[ArdentEagle]

Mate apparently it's fine to have unfit rookies with crappy attitude because they are there to develop or some shit.

Generally no it isn't but I see it as a sliding scale of potential vs risk, some players are worth the gamble just on potential alone.
Ryan for mine fits into this category.

* also take it as a sign that your name is Liam and mine (actual) is Ryan - whoa mind blown!!

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Mate apparently it's fine to have unfit rookies with crappy attitude because they are there to develop or some shit.

it's about him actually turning up to training . An afl club won't tolerate blokes just rocking up when it suits them

 

[ArdentEagle]

it's about him actually turning up to training . An afl club won't tolerate blokes just rocking up when it suits them

Yeah that's not good at all.
Has he been doing it this year too?

 

[kane249]

He was in calculations (at least on BigFooty) for our first round pick that year right? Some people should give the club a break sometimes.

A few people on here wanted him as our first round pick, but he was never in the clubs sights thankfully.

 

[Abed]

it's about him actually turning up to training . An afl club won't tolerate blokes just rocking up when it suits them

Well I guess that explains things then.

 

[kaII]

RE: Gaff

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d/news-story/74a8c996525dc5b45cb04258c9ac680c

SCULLY averages a league-high 16.6km per game and his standing as the game’s unrivalled endurance machine is laid bare by his ownership of the four highest distance totals this year, topped by a 18.3km effort against Collingwood in Round 8.

(Gaff's average sits second at 15.95km)

WEST Coast winger Andrew Gaff is the most selfless runner, working back harder than any other player and covering the most ground (6.5km) when West Coast don’t have the ball

 

[avishka5]

RE: Gaff

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d/news-story/74a8c996525dc5b45cb04258c9ac680c

I think a lot of us would have known this. Gaff has looked cooked at times this season and i wouldn't have been surprised if a fully fit Gaff took out the top honours. If gaff could actually tackle, his worth would go through the roof. We need to get him a tackling coach and also need to strengthen those shoulders of his.

 

[bl4ke]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/oa...l/news-story/cca170192ff008d2b9c02dd8b3fa7b9b

Article comparing Higgins to Zorko. Does he have the same burst of speed?

 

[eagles rule]

Without delving into 5 pages of social commentary, it is a real shame how many highly rated WA indigenous players are dropping out of the system completely after a few years of being drafted

My two cents worth at a guess is maybe the fun gets taken out of the game and at Afl level it's a tactical battle with game plans knowing forced where to run ,team meetings and constant training demands ..Which can really challenge your love for the game or play for the dollars .

So just play and earn enough to buy a house a nice car and spend time with family and play footy at the minor levels for the social aspect of footy clubs ..


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[Jimmy_the_Gent]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/oa...l/news-story/cca170192ff008d2b9c02dd8b3fa7b9b

Article comparing Higgins to Zorko. Does he have the same burst of speed?

I've heard no and it looks like a no on YouTube.

 

[FKASC]

a couple of issues:

who rates them and is it accurate or local hype
what is the drop out rate for indigenous V no indiginous
if there is an issue (real date based) rather than perception what are the factors?

Yeah I don't have any real data to back it up and it is simply based on perception at this point.

BUT while I imagine the drop out rate for indigenous v non-indigenous over the entire comp would suggest higher retention for indigenous players (because so many more non-indigenous players are drafted), I feel that as far as highly rated WA youngsters go, the drop-out rate for indigenous players seems high.

Of all of the WA players who are taken high in the draft each year, a large proportion of them are indigenous: e.g. C Yarran, H Bennell, J Simpson, J Pickett, J Garlett, C Ah Chee, SPS, SPP. Add to that list D Garlett and C Smith, both of whom were highly rated but slid in the draft for various reasons.

I certainly think that compared to the other states, WA's highly rated youngsters are more likely to be indigenous, and the highly rated WA indigenous players seem to be far more likely to drop out of the system than the highly rated WA non-indigenous players.

Maybe it's just a cognitive bias because I pay more attention to the WA kids pre-draft, as I expect us to be more likely to pick a WA kid (though this isn't really the case anymore), and so when their careers fail you notice

 

[ziad]

Yeah I don't have any real data to back it up and it is simply based on perception at this point.

BUT while I imagine the drop out rate for indigenous v non-indigenous over the entire comp would suggest higher retention for indigenous players (because so many more non-indigenous players are drafted), I feel that as far as highly rated WA youngsters go, the drop-out rate for indigenous players seems high.

Of all of the WA players who are taken high in the draft each year, a large proportion of them are indigenous: e.g. C Yarran, H Bennell, J Simpson, J Pickett, J Garlett, C Ah Chee, SPS, SPP. Add to that list D Garlett and C Smith, both of whom were highly rated but slid in the draft for various reasons.

I certainly think that compared to the other states, WA's highly rated youngsters are more likely to be indigenous, and the highly rated WA indigenous players seem to be far more likely to drop out of the system than the highly rated WA non-indigenous players.

Maybe it's just a cognitive bias because I pay more attention to the WA kids pre-draft, as I expect us to be more likely to pick a WA kid (though this isn't really the case anymore), and so when their careers fail you notice

If there is a case it is an opportunity for a very wealthy club to change things to their mutual benefit

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Sam Taylor wont last to our second pick ....WCE need to find some extra picks Taylor looks to have a the goods for AFL .

I disagree about Sam. I rate him and he is a good full back - lock down defender but does not have the attacking game from defence to suggest being a late 2nd rounder and possibly slip to the 3 rd round. His impact at senior WAFL was ok but not special.