2017 trade/draft thread

[truman]

Not necessarily, Fyfe was taken with pick 20, Sloane with pick 44, Danger with pick 10, JPK with pick 40 and then traded for a bunch of late picks. For every top midfielder that was taken with pick 3 there's another one who was taken later in the draft.

Yeh you are right! In the sense outside of the top 5 I'd say it really is pot luck who you end up with. Look at all those picks, they're all well beyond 7. We already have thirteen or whatever and would be equally like to nail a star with that pick then 7 or 8. Kerr and Shuey were 18 for example.

It's a game of probability. I don't think a pick 7 or 8 nets you a gun player at a high enough probability (especially considering we have a pick 13) to trade out a known A grade wingmen who is just heading into his prime. For every Fyfe taken at 20 there are 10-20 Tom Swifts. I would think pick 7 is quite likely to score you a 100-200 game pretty good player (probability wise) and I wouldn't trade out Gaff for that. Just too big a risk

 

[ziad]

It does not clearly state that at all. Vosso was very respectful and vague. We would be interest in Fasolo if available and our first pick will always be considered for the right trade to improve the list.

No commitment at all really.

Straight swap for Schofield or we will just wait 12 months.

We love to misquote.

My view is that:
Vosso has dramatically improved our trading and drafting.
Players do not want to come to Perth which is an impediment.
95% of trade discussions on BF end up incorrect.

 

[twce13]

I'd still like to keep gaff, he is unfairly rated on here imo.

If we did lose him tho, I would be asking for saints pick 7 and 43 as a minimum.

I wonder if Brisbane would be interested in 7 and 30 for 12 and 18.

Would leave us with 12, 13, 18, 43, 48.

I'd try to upgrade one of the 40 picks with trading masten to try and guarantee Tim Kelly selection.

 

[mattyc75]

I wouldnt use our 3rd on fasolo,he's not worth it

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[ArdentEagle]

Can’t see Sts parting with both those picks

It’d be 8 and some steak knives, no matter how hard St fans argue he wouldn’t be worth that.

Interesting times ahead

Agree.
I could see it being something like - Out Gaff + 48. In 8 + 43.

Although I actually feel like Gaff + 13 for 7+8 is pretty close to his actual value.

 

[Godfather32]

That's true but a lot of posters on this board don't rate the recruiting department.

2008 7. D Rich 8. T. Vickery
2009 7. B. Sheppard 8. John Butcher
2010 7. J. Caddy 8. D. Heppell (Gaff at 4)
2011 7. N. Hayes 8. B. Longer
2012 7. O. Wines 8. S. Mayes
2013 7. J. Aish 8. L. McDonald
2014 7. P. Ahern 8. P. Wright
2015 8. C. Ah Chee (2 academy players at/before 7) 9. S. Weideman
2016 8. G. Logue (1 academy player before 7) 9. W. Brodie

Not many would be worth a straight swap for Gaff I would have thought. Also 28 for Yeo instead of 31 was very unpopular around here, would anyone be in support/acceptance of 8 rather than 7 for Gaff?

I'd prefer to keep Gaff unless its for 7 & Acres minimum, which I don't think StK would do

True, but when you look at midfielder/small forwards taken around those picks, not just pick 8 in isolation it tells a different story
2008: 9-Ziebell, 11-Sidebottom
2009: 14- Jetta
2010: 8 - Heppell, 9 - Prestia
2011: 11 - Greene, 13 - Adams, 14 - Devon Smith, 15- Jones
2012: Was a terrible draft apart from Wines at 7
2013: 11- Sheed, 13 - Cripps, 15 - Jones
2014: 10 -Cockatoo, 13- Weller
2015: 11 - Milera, 12 - Curnow, 15 - Rioli
2016: Too early to tell

There's plenty of value for a trade involving Gaff there and that's without mentioning any of the talls taken around that mark and there have been some very good ones. I don't think losing Gaff is going to affect us overly much, other players will step up. I mean sure we'll miss his running but he's turned into an average kick and constantly runs himself into trouble on his right foot. He has too many flaws to be considered a top-line wing imo.
I'd definitely want Acres back though in any trade involving Gaff, no doubt the Saints would want something extra to make that happen as 8 & Acres for Gaff seems too heavily weighed in our balance.

 

[Godfather32]

Yeh you are right! In the sense outside of the top 5 I'd say it really is pot luck who you end up with. Look at all those picks, they're all well beyond 7. We already have thirteen or whatever and would be equally like to nail a star with that pick then 7 or 8. Kerr and Shuey were 18 for example.

It's a game of probability. I don't think a pick 7 or 8 nets you a gun player at a high enough probability (especially considering we have a pick 13) to trade out a known A grade wingmen who is just heading into his prime. For every Fyfe taken at 20 there are 10-20 Tom Swifts. I would think pick 7 is quite likely to score you a 100-200 game pretty good player (probability wise) and I wouldn't trade out Gaff for that. Just too big a risk

I don't think he's A-grade though, I mean sure he runs all day but he has some seriously flaws to his game. He runs at one speed with virtually no acceleration, his kicking is pretty average now (especially over distance) and he has no right foot but seems to continually run on to his right to receive the ball for some reason. He's good but I don't think he's irreplaceable.

 

[ClayB]

True, but when you look at midfielder/small forwards taken around those picks, not just pick 8 in isolation it tells a different story
2008: 9-Ziebell, 11-Sidebottom
2009: 14- Jetta
2010: 8 - Heppell, 9 - Prestia
2011: 11 - Greene, 13 - Adams, 14 - Devon Smith, 15- Jones
2012: Was a terrible draft apart from Wines at 7
2013: 11- Sheed, 13 - Cripps, 15 - Jones
2014: 10 -Cockatoo, 13- Weller
2015: 11 - Milera, 12 - Curnow, 15 - Rioli
2016: Too early to tell

There's plenty of value for a trade involving Gaff there and that's without mentioning any of the talls taken around that mark and there have been some very good ones. I don't think losing Gaff is going to affect us overly much, other players will step up. I mean sure we'll miss his running but he's turned into an average kick and constantly runs himself into trouble on his right foot. He has too many flaws to be considered a top-line wing imo.
I'd definitely want Acres back though in any trade involving Gaff, no doubt the Saints would want something extra to make that happen as 8 & Acres for Gaff seems too heavily weighed in our balance.

Yeah, agreed. I guess it all could be a moot point as I doubt the club would move Gaff on unless he indicates he will leave next year. I would love-

Although I actually feel like Gaff + 13 for 7+8

Something about consecutive picks is very appealing

 

[Monocle]

I don't mind the Fasolo trade idea but at the right price.
On raw data there isn't a lot of difference between him and Jammie Cripps.

Fasolo 181 cm 84 kg born 1992 100 games 133 goals.
Cripps 183 cm 81 kg born 1992 119 games 143 goals.

With the prospect of Hill being cut and the Frenchman entering his last season , getting Fasolo makes some sense.

Now I desperately want us to hold on to our second round pick for either Tim Kelly or another genuine midfielder.

I think our third rounder is to low for getting a trade done , but if the word is true, that Collingwood have shown some interest in Tom Lamb then I would suggest our third and Lamb for Fasolo.

Fasolo for our second I would pass on........ because being a prick here ( and let be honest and talk about the elephant in the room ) we cant ignore the fact that mental health issues are a concern that need consideration in the totality of the potential trade.
Coming home to family and friends may well help in the total health situation , but there are unfortunately no guarantees.

With that caveat hanging over Fasolo, I simply would not be prepared to burn a second round pick, in case things went pear shaped.

 

[Godfather32]

Yeah, agreed. I guess it all could be a moot point as I doubt the club would move Gaff on unless he indicates he will leave next year. I would love-

Something about consecutive picks is very appealing

No doubt we'd only consider it if Gaff was amenable, but if he wants to go home at some point then why not this off-season? Sounds like the Saints have some money to burn considering the names they've been going after and he could get a sizable contract extension with them whilst getting to move home. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard a sell.
I definitely can't see the Saints giving up both their top 10 picks though unless we were to throw in a promising young player which are few and far between at our club.

 

[truman]

True, but when you look at midfielder/small forwards taken around those picks, not just pick 8 in isolation it tells a different story
2008: 9-Ziebell, 11-Sidebottom
2009: 14- Jetta
2010: 8 - Heppell, 9 - Prestia
2011: 11 - Greene, 13 - Adams, 14 - Devon Smith, 15- Jones
2012: Was a terrible draft apart from Wines at 7
2013: 11- Sheed, 13 - Cripps, 15 - Jones
2014: 10 -Cockatoo, 13- Weller
2015: 11 - Milera, 12 - Curnow, 15 - Rioli
2016: Too early to tell

There's plenty of value for a trade involving Gaff there and that's without mentioning any of the talls taken around that mark and there have been some very good ones. I don't think losing Gaff is going to affect us overly much, other players will step up. I mean sure we'll miss his running but he's turned into an average kick and constantly runs himself into trouble on his right foot. He has too many flaws to be considered a top-line wing imo.
I'd definitely want Acres back though in any trade involving Gaff, no doubt the Saints would want something extra to make that happen as 8 & Acres for Gaff seems too heavily weighed in our balance.

The only players on that list I would trade out for Gaff are Wines, Cripps and Sidebottom

 

[Obeanie1]

Interesting, I don't see how the hawks could possibly pull this deal off. The saints on the other hand are perfectly placed to make a decent offer.

Hawks board saying a few players will be traded out. Names such as Frawley and even Smith.

 

[Obeanie1]

My only thoughts are that if gaff is indeed leaving it is because he has signalled his intentions a year early and is looking after west coast (getting us more than FA compo). If this is the case then I don't think we will have to worry about the hawks screwing us over. We should be dealing with the saints and hopefully getting a first rounder plus steak knives. I'd say pick 8 and a player as they don't have a second rounder. Perhaps gaff and 13 for 7 and 8?

Also my reading on the GC is that they will be losing some of their highest paid players (ones not willing to take pay cuts even though performance doesn't warrant high pay) and turning to the draft. In the short term they will be requiring solid loyal footballers to help improve their culture. I honestly believe some of our fringe players will be perfect fits for them. They will also have of pile of second rounders and so they might not value third rounders as highly as us. Currently they have 2,19,22,24,33,37 and with players leaving there is only so many picks they can/will want to use. I wouldn't be against trading on pick 13 for a number of second rounders

Reported by GC supporters that Hall has removed refetences and pictures of GC for his social media profile. He'd be one under performer who would move instead of taking a pay cut

 

[Godfather32]

The only players on that list I would trade out for Gaff are Wines, Cripps and Sidebottom

I think you're over-rating Gaff, but sure I wouldn't trade him for all of those players. Post was just to point out that there are plenty of decent smalls taken after pick 5.

 

[kranky al]

Heres the thing - collingwood historically are pricks to deal with. Id be really sus on anything bar a trade on our terms.

And we all know what bullshit that is - we are the weakest softest pussies at the trade table

The josh hills of trading

Bruise free trading

Absolute squibs at the contest

 

[rko121]

There's no way the Saints will trade both of their picks. I think it'll end up being a straight swap Gaff for pick 8, but I'd still really like Acres back in the deal somehow, particularly if he's thinking of coming home anyway.

I agree Saints probably won't trade both 1st rounders, but considering Gaff is contracted for another year and they have recently missed out on Martin, Kelly, Whitfield, Fyfe. We should really be demanding 7 and 8 for Gaff and 13.

If we want to rebuild quickly, we will need something like the following to happen.
It's wishful thinking so don't crucify me

Trade
Gaff and 13 to St Kilda for 7 and 8
Darling and 30 to Richmond for 15 and 16
Masten for Gold Coast's 3rd
Schofield for Geelong's 3rd
Lamb and 3rd round pick for Fasolo
Trade a couple of 3rd round picks we get from above trades for a 2nd rounder

Delist
Hill
Mccines

Re-sign
Wellingham

Take 7,8,15,16, 2nd round, 3rd round to the draft.
Sign Rockliff as Free agent.

 

[matt_bas]

You can see it happening as well can't you? You just see West Coast recruiters watching his work rate and stat numbers while being blinded by the little he does to get the ball.

For what it's worth I think this year there is very little to be excited about coming out of WA. Although there are one or two that have a wide range of possibilities, can either be AA or a complete dud depending on how things work out (Redhead prime example). My top 10 out of WA are
Aaron Naughton (Peel Thunder)

Sam Taylor (Swan Districts)
Tim Kelly (South Fremantle)

Oscar Allen (West Perth)
Brandon Starcevich (East Perth)
Callan England (Claremont)
Kyron Hayden (Subiaco)
Aaron Redhead (East Perth)



Jake Patmore (Claremont)
Scott Jones (East Perth)

Naughton easy #1 with top 3 clear of the rest by a fair margin. Next 3 are good but not in the class of the top 3. Redhead, a 200cm ruckman with pace that kicks goals could be anything but his kicking style (unorthodox while effective under 35m) is a concern. Patmore a long way back. Liam Ryan was 10th but took him out after today, all the reasons 18 clubs overlooked him last year stood out again.

Know the focus is on midfielders for most but would be very very happy if we get Naughton with our first pick. I think he's one out of the box and someone we will regret overlooking no matter who we pick up.

I quiet like Scott Jones. Was hoping of us rookieing him

 

[Godfather32]

I agree Saints probably won't trade both 1st rounders, but considering Gaff is contracted for another year and they have recently missed out on Martin, Kelly, Whitfield, Fyfe this year. We should really be demanding 7 and 8 for Gaff and 13.

If we want to rebuild quickly, we will need something like the following to happen.
It's wishful thinking so don't crucify me

Trade
Gaff and 13 to St Kilda for 7 and 8
Darling and 30 to Richmond for 15 and 16
Masten for Gold Coast's 3rd
Schofield for Geelong's 3rd
Lamb and 3rd round pick for Fasolo
Trade a couple of 3rd round picks we get from above trades for a 2nd rounder

Delist
Hill
Mccines

Re-sign
Wellingham

Take 7,8,15,16, 2nd round, 3rd round to the draft.
Sign Rockliff as Free agent.

I like the way you're thinking but imo if we want a quick rebuild I think we'd need to target some more players in the 21-22yr old range instead of so many picks (which is part of the reason I want Acres back). Trading out Gaff and Darling just for picks would throw us into long-term rebuild mode imo. Darling won't agree to a trade anyway but if he did I think we'd be better off using him to try and get a young midfielder.

 

[truman]

I think you're over-rating Gaff, but sure I wouldn't trade him for all of those players. Post was just to point out that there are plenty of decent smalls taken after pick 5.

Yeh I see what you are saying but he is one of the top 3 players in his position. His kicking has dropped of because we have to play him more as an inside player and he has to do way too much defensive running. He's the type of player we desperately need particularly if we do secure a top 5-10 inside player in the comp

 

[matt_bas]

I agree Saints probably won't trade both 1st rounders, but considering Gaff is contracted for another year and they have recently missed out on Martin, Kelly, Whitfield, Fyfe. We should really be demanding 7 and 8 for Gaff and 13.

If we want to rebuild quickly, we will need something like the following to happen.
It's wishful thinking so don't crucify me

Trade
Gaff and 13 to St Kilda for 7 and 8
Darling and 30 to Richmond for 15 and 16
Masten for Gold Coast's 3rd
Schofield for Geelong's 3rd
Lamb and 3rd round pick for Fasolo
Trade a couple of 3rd round picks we get from above trades for a 2nd rounder

Delist
Hill
Mccines

Re-sign
Wellingham

Take 7,8,15,16, 2nd round, 3rd round to the draft.
Sign Rockliff as Free agent.

Even I can't like this post

 

[Obeanie1]

TBH I'd much rather keep Gaff and go to the draft! Take out Gaff and we literally have no effective and consistent wingmen left! We need an A grade Dustin Martin, Dangerfield/Petracca (potential) type to fix our midfield and unless trading out Gaff gives us a high chance of that he's much more valuable to us. Pick 8 is far more likely to net you a Sheppard, Rohan, Sheed, Millera type as opposed to a petracca, Fyfe or Bont so I'd rather stick with Gaff

I know I will get smashed for saying this but if Gaff goes we still have Masten and the young up and coming kids. Cole, Nelson, Venables, Mutimer, even Waston can rotate off a wing. T

We are also looking at Hartung.

Im happy to lose Gaff if we get Higgins or another quality young midfielder.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

According to the Herald Sun (for what it is worth), Fasolo doesn't want to move back to Perth and wants to stay at Pies.

 

[ArdentEagle]

According to the Herald Sun (for what it is worth), Fasolo doesn't want to move back to Perth and wants to stay at Pies.

 

[matt_bas]

That's Collingwood just trying to up our offer. Time to throw them the kitchen sink, our 4th PLUS Masto

 

[liam123]

Because

According to the Herald Sun (for what it is worth), Fasolo doesn't want to move back to Perth and wants to stay at Pies.

suits us fine I say