2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 4

[FlyingSledghamer]

its funny and sad that he would be in the top 3 for kicking at the club

Thats not even funny DS.

 

[chris_h_11]

But what happen happens if we off 7 and they accept?

We have paid overs and then we are stuck with him.

Stringer would still have to accept.

 

[kernelT]

Get over the first round picks thing, how many games did DalSanto get tagged out. Kosi was an ineffective **** forward in 2004 . Acres got more of the ball this year than Goddard did in 2004. It doesn't make them better, its just where they were picked.

Given their age significant improvement can occur in most of the following, some of them getting close to the magic 50 games.
Gresham.
Billings
Sinclair
Steele
Acres
McKenzie
Longer
Maybe even Dunstan
----------------
McCartin
Freeman
---------------

Okay, draft position aside
Milne > Gresham
Billings > Guerra
Montagna > Sinclair
Hayes > Steele
Dal Santo > Acres
Gram > McKenzie
Longer = Knobel
Ball > Dunstan

That's without considering - Goddard, Gherig, Riewoldt, A Jones, Harvey, Hamill

Referring to 2004 as our next likely step is ridiculous, the talent bases are chalk and cheese.

 

[St Kilda Death]

The way things are looking we will end up with my avie out of trade period.


Cue melts all round

Jack shit?
Fits out first name criteria.

 

[chris_h_11]

They'll have heaps of space - Watson, Kelly, Stanton, Hocking, Bird…

Not to mention all the suspended players who were negotiating "settlements" around the time of their big new deals (Heppell, Hurley etc) so it's all off the books....

 

[TastetheBeast]

This place is melt city. People whining "we arent getting anyone" when end of Trade Period is over a month off.

Think Ill log off for a while. You lot are depressing.

WTF?!?!?!

TP a month away?!?!?!

**** that. This club's a joke!!!

 

[VDS66]

Despite his off field issues, people are criminally underrating what Stringer is capable of. He can be the difference if he gets his shit together.


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If you had to roll the dice on a high risk... then he's the one.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

for fun.. lets look at who from each club is desired.. from that lets look at who is getable ...

Crows -
Brad Crouch
Jake Lever
Rory Laird
Rory Sloan
Matt Crouch
Taylor Walker
Mitch McGovern
Daniel Talia

Lions
Josh Schache
Dayne Zorko
Eric Hipwood
Tom Rockliff
Dayne Beams

Blues
Jack Silvagni
Jacob Weitering
Zac Fisher
Sam Petrevski-Seton
Charlie Curnow
Patrick Cripps
Levi Casboult

Magpies
Jordan De Goey
Steele Sidebottom
Adam Treloar
Tom Langdon
Scott Pendlebury

Bombers -

Andrew McGrath
Joe Daniher
Zach Merrett
David Zaharakis
Orazio Fantasia
Michael Hurley
Dyson Heppell
Jayden Laverde
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti

Fremantle
Griffin Logue
Sean Darcy
Nathan Fyfe
Nick Suban
Bradley Hill
Michael Walters
Lachie Weller
Connor Blakely
Matt Taberner
Ed Langdon
Lachie Neale
Stephen Hill

Geelong
Brandan Parfitt
Nakia Cockatoo
Jake Kolodjashnij
Wylie Buzza
Joel Selwood
Mitch Duncan
Tom Hawkins
Cameron Guthrie
Steven Motlop
George Horlin-Smith
Patrick Dangerfield
Mark Blicavs

Gold Coast
Jack Martin
Brayden Fiorini
Kade Kolodjashnij
Sam Day
Callum Ah Chee
Tom Lynch
David Swallow
Jarryd Lyons
Peter Wright
Brandon Matera
Aaron Hall
Jack Scrimshaw
Adam Saad

GWS
Stephen Coniglio
Toby Greene
Dylan Shiel
Lachie Whitfield
Devon Smith
Will Setterfield
Jonathon Patton
Tim Taranto
Matthew Kennedy
Nathan Wilson
Jeremy Cameron
Adam Tomlinson
Josh Kelly
Harrison Himmelberg
Jeremy Finlayson
Aidan Corr
Rory Lobb

Hawthorn
Tom Mitchell
Billy Hartung
Ryan Burton
Taylor Duryea
Jaeger O'Meara
Isaac Smith
Jack Gunston
James Sicily
Luke Breust
Will Langford
Cyril Rioli

Melbourne
Jesse Hogan
Christian Salem
Jack Watts
Christian Petracca
Jack Viney
Angus Brayshaw
Max Gawn
Dom Tyson
Clayton Oliver
Tom McDonald
Jayden Hunt
Tomas Bugg
Jeff Garlett
Neville Jetta

North
Jack Ziebell
Andrew Swallow
Ben Cunnington
Luke McDonald
Trent Dumont
Paul Ahern
Shaun Atley
Jy Simpkin
Braydon Preuss
Majak Daw
Ben Brown

Port
Travis Boak
Sam Powell-Pepper
Hamish Hartlett
Robbie Gray
Jackson Trengove
Ollie Wines
Chad Wingard
Charlie Dixon
Matthew Lobbe
Jarman Impey
Jasper Pittard
Tom Jonas
Sam Gray

Richmond
Dion Prestia
Dustin Martin
Ben Lennon
Jack Riewoldt
Trent Cotchin
Daniel Rioli
Alex Rance
Josh Caddy
Taylor Hunt
Shai Bolton

Swans
Dan Hannebery
Isaac Heeney
Jeremy Laidler
Josh Kennedy
Oliver Florent
Kieren Jack
Gary Rohan
Lance Franklin
Luke Parker
Aliir Aliir
Tom Papley

Eagles
Andrew Gaff
Dom Sheed
Brad Sheppard
Elliot Yeo
Nic Naitanui
Luke Shuey
Eric Mackenzie
Josh Kennedy
Jeremy McGovern
Luke Partington
Jack Darling
Tom Barrass

Bulldogs
Mitch Wallis
Marcus Bontempelli
Luke Dahlhaus
Jake Stringer
Jack Macrae
Tom Boyd
Fletcher Roberts
Tom Liberatore
Jordan Roughead
Caleb Daniel
Jason Johannisen
Jack Redpath
Tim English
Jin Jong

 

[toxic]

How much would it cost to get a player like Mitch Duncan from the cats? Always thought he was a good player but he was on another level against the swans on Friday night... Elite shoe aswell

Is Mitch the ultimate 3rd mid (behind dangerwood) or could he handle the no1 role and the attention it affords?

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

Slightly off topic, I've been thinking about the fact that we may not be able to bring in a player to get us to 105% of the salary cap, therefore losing our ability to use 105% over 2019/20 as well. Hypothetically speaking, are we able to then front end the current contracts we have on our books in 2018, so that we meet the 105% and conversely drop back to 95% in 2019/20 where we can offer a lucrative deal to a free agent or OOC star?

Ive read on here others say that you loose the spend if you dont use it. I dont think thats correct. From what i read imo the way it works is;
If your under the cap within any 2 year period you can use that up to 105% in the following year.
Example - under in 2015 and 2016 - upto 105% in 2017
Under in 2016 and 2017 - upto 105% in 2018
And so on. I dont think you loose it at all.
The savings can only be used from the previous 2 years and thats it.
Thats how i read the rules anyway. If thats not correct i'd like to see the article that shows differently.

 

[DarkSaint]

If you had to roll the dice on a high risk... then he's the one.

Yep agree.

We are at a point were we need to take some risks on players (potential match winner/Elite Talent) and back our club culture to turn them around.

It has worked with Weller/Carlisle etc so far.

 

[VDS66]

Yep agree.

We are at a point were we need to take some risks on players (potential match winner/Elite Talent) and back our club culture to turn them around.

It has worked with Weller/Carlisle etc so far.

Too much focus on the risk if he's a bust... but what about the upside if he isn't?

If we get him expecting him to dominate each week then we'll be dissapointed.

All you need us 15 minutes of brilliance each week.

Even in this year's "poor" form he didn't do too badly.

The the thing is that his problems are between the ears. We could get Kelly and he could do a knee just as easily.

I recall another highly talented yet troubled footballer that no one wanted a few years ago...

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Get over the first round picks thing, how many games did DalSanto get tagged out. Kosi was an ineffective **** forward in 2004 . Acres got more of the ball this year than Goddard did in 2004. It doesn't make them better, its just where they were picked.

Given their age significant improvement can occur in most of the following, some of them getting close to the magic 50 games.
Gresham.
Billings
Sinclair
Steele
Acres
McKenzie
Longer
Maybe even Dunstan
----------------
McCartin
Freeman
---------------

Great point. The question is about natural talent and development. Along with two top 10 picks, I think many here are deliberately choosing to overlook our scope of improvement from those already on our list. If we go to the draft, we will likely be only behind Brissie as the youngest list in the league and we are pushing finals already. Think about that for a second!

Out of your top list, Billings and Gresham appear to have a similar level of natural ability (and exposed form) as some of those we pulled in from 00-04. Steele too (I think - we will only know after a full pre season but he is criminally underrated). For me, those 3 have shown enough to belong in a discussion with the 04 group re 'potential'. I think even the most pessimistic would concede that.

Yes 00-04 clearly had a higher stockpile of elite talent, but Sincs, Dunstan, Acres, Membery and Longer all still fall clearly into the natural development pile. All are trending upward, and Ross and Newnes have shown that development doesn't just magically stop at 21.

Maybe one of pick 7/8 plays a role next year too. Unlikely both, but I would hope one of these two forces his way in next year. This natural improvement I think keeps us around the mark of 7-10 wins again (noting we have transitioned a lot of older talent out in the last 24 months and not really gone backwards - good luck to Carlton and North doing the same).

Steven & Carlisle are known quality. Those 12 names look like a really good core for many years to come without too many risks of anyone washing out.

Two top 10 picks give us more elite talent and we need to nail at least one of those. But for me your bottom group is where the real discussion (and high level potential payout) is.

I think there are actually four players already on our list who could go from contributing nothing to being elite in the next 2-3 years:

McCartin
Goddard
Freeman
White

Unlike those discussed above (who are somewhat known and can be counted upon to a degree) none of these 4 have contributed in any meaningful sense to date. All have the natural talent to be elite.

Along with the two picks we hold, for me these four men probably determine whether this group actually makes the jump to be a top 4 team.

 

[VDS66]

Great point. The question is about natural talent and development. Along with two top 10 picks I think many in here are overlooking our scope of improvement internally. If we go to the draft, we will likely be only behind Brissie as the youngest list in the league and we are pushing finals already. Think about that for a second!

Out of your top list, Billings and Gresham appear to have a similar level of natural ability (and exposed form) as some of those we pulled in from 00-04.
Steele too (I think - we will only know after a full pre season but he is criminally underrated). All 3 project elite

Sincs, Dunstan, Acres, Membery and Longer fall into the natural development pile. All are trending upward, and Ross and Newnes have shown that development doesn't just magically stop at 21.

Maybe one of pick 7/8 plays a role next year too. Unlikely both, but I would hope one of these two forces his way in next year. This natural improvement I think has us around the mark of 7-10 again (noting we have transitioned a lot of older talent out in the last 24 months and not gone backwards).

Bu for me your bottom group is where the real discussion is. Steven & Carlisle are known quality. Those 12 names look like a really good core for many years to come. Two top 10 picks give us more elite talent and we need to nail at least one of those.

But your bottom list is where the real pay off is. As well as the two picks this year, I think there are actually four players in that pile who will determine whether this team is just good, or becomes a real top 4 team.

McCartin
Goddard
Freeman
White

Unlike those discussed above (who are somewhat known and can be counted upon to a degree) none of these 4 have contributed in any meaningful sense to date. All have the natural talent to be elite.

Along with the two picks we hold, for me these four men probably decide our future

You can probably lock in White and Freezer if he stays fit.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Is Mitch the ultimate 3rd mid (behind dangerwood) or could he handle the no1 role and the attention it affords?

I've always thought of him as another Armitage, Stevens type, capable of having the odd terrific game.

 

[Cro19]

I've always thought of him as another Armitage, Stevens type, capable of having the odd terrific game.

He's far better than those two imo.

 

[Quixote]

I reckon Stringer is a risk worth taking. As long as he can convince our guys of his dedication to being the best he can be, it's the type of the risk we need to take. Just my two cents.

Agreed, as long as he doesn't cost the earth.

However all signs (and gut feel) pointing to him ending up at Essendon or Geelong.

 

[Quixote]

Think Ill log off for a while. You lot are depressing.

It has been a double-depresso-enema ever since Wheatley.

 

[kernelT]

I think there are actually four players already on our list who could go from contributing nothing to being elite in the next 2-3 years:

McCartin
Goddard
Freeman
White

If these four delivered and pushed towards elite then we are well on our way, I'd take just two playing regular seniors at this stage.

 

[Quixote]

Ive read on here others say that you loose the spend if you dont use it. I dont think thats correct. From what i read imo the way it works is;
If your under the cap within any 2 year period you can use that up to 105% in the following year.
Example - under in 2015 and 2016 - upto 105% in 2017
Under in 2016 and 2017 - upto 105% in 2018
And so on. I dont think you loose it at all.
The savings can only be used from the previous 2 years and thats it.
Thats how i read the rules anyway. If thats not correct i'd like to see the article that shows differently.

Exactly but as far as I understand it if we don't use the savings in time they're no longer there to use.
Haven't lost any $ per sae but haven't used all $ available to us.
Would also make our players on avg slightly less paid than other clubs using entire cap I believe.

 

[Quixote]

CRINGE:



Oh come save us from ourselves, Lord Stringer. Your 13 possession, 1 goal 3 bottom 4 team beat downs will take us to the promise land.

I see you've discovered sarcasm.

 

[Marlo]

I see you've discovered sarcasm.

 

[toxic]

I've always thought of him as another Armitage, Stevens type, capable of having the odd terrific game.

I agree but i guess until he is the Number 1 mid at a club and targeted accordingly by opposition coaches I guess we will never truly know

 

[VDS66]

I agree but i guess until he is the Number 1 mid at a club and targeted accordingly by opposition coaches I guess we will never truly know

Just like Kelly apparently lol.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Exactly but if we don't use the savings in time they're no longer there to use.
Haven't lost any $ per sae but haven't used all $ available to us.
Would also make our players on avg slightly less paid than other clubs using entire cap I believe.

Which makes sense given their age and experience.

But its not necessarily true either. Just because Buddy and Kurt get a shitload doesn't mean the role players at Sydney are better off.
The "Average" for the team is irrelevant to the individuals.
Example: We bring in Kelly and pay him 2 000 000, the average goes up. "SO WHAT" say all our other players.