2017 trade hypothetical thread

[Snake_Baker]

That is a very essendon-centric trade. They would run away laughing if they could get that done.

The more interesting point is where do they now find inside midfielder/s?

 

[Snake_Baker]

When did Plough become a Bombers fan? They make out like bandits.

Indeed.

If GWS are going to cop 22 for Smith, I want to know why my club aren't in this trade with 21 on the table.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

That would be a great deal for us. I think Essendon, GWS and Gold Coast would be happy with that.

Can't see Bulldogs accepting that though. Perhaps a third rounder on top of that to the Dogs?

On points, though I realise that's an imperfect system, Gold Coast are giving up Saad for the equivalent of pick 55.

Stringer for 19 seems low even with his apparent baggage.

Smith for 22 seems low for someone that was a first-round pick and shouldn't have gone backwards based on what he's shown to date.

In conclusion: Essendon win handsomely, everyone else loses.

 

[Jeremias]

Indeed.

If GWS are going to cop 22 for Smith, I want to know why my club aren't in this trade with 21 on the table.

Probably because he doesn't want to play for North Melbourne.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Probably because he doesn't want to play for North Melbourne.

Source?

 

[Jeremias]

Source?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-05/bombers-win-race-for-indemand-giant-devon-smith

 

[Snake_Baker]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-05/bombers-win-race-for-indemand-giant-devon-smith

Enough with the rolly eyes smart arse crap. You're supposed to be a moderator and set a standard.

Back to my actual question: "I want to know why my club aren't in this trade with 21 on the table."

What can you tell me about the NMFC and it's involvement or lack of involvement in this trade?

 

[Jeremias]

Enough with the rolly eyes smart arse crap. You're supposed to be a moderator and set a standard.

You make your own reputation around here. You can't be surprised that's everyone's natural reaction when you click "post reply".

Back to my actual question: "I want to know why my club aren't in this trade with 21 on the table."

What can you tell me about the NMFC and it's involvement or lack of involvement in this trade?

I already answered you.

I can tell you Smith doesn't want to go to North Melbourne.

It's laughable you think North would be in a chance despite that, if they offered a pick one better than what Essendon may.

 

[Tyler Hodges]

There's a few things that have me questioning Essendon getting these three trades done.
1. Dodoro is well known for being frugal and overvaluing the value of his players and picks. He will want the 3 for picks 11 and 28 alone and I can't see that happening, not with this weak draft 11 isn't that valuable and having to please 3 seperate clubs.
2. Why recruit Smith and Stringer, both play similar positions with similar question marks surrounding them- stringers mental commitment/ Exeternal discipline problems, Smiths injury history. They also both want more midfield time but have questionable stamina and would be huge liabilities in the midfield defensively.i can see the Don's getting Smith/ Stringer as well as Saad, but 3 seems highly unlikely.

 

[Snake_Baker]

You make your own reputation around here. You can't be surprised that's everyone's natural reaction when you click "post reply".

I already answered you.

I can tell you Smith doesn't want to go to North Melbourne.

It's laughable you think North would be in a chance despite that, if they offered a pick one better than what Essendon may.

You are the reason why there should be an ignore function for moderators.

Do the gracious thing in your position and please don't quote or respond to my posts again.

I have no interest in your comments.

 

[Jeremias]

You are the reason why there should be an ignore function for moderators.

Do the gracious thing in your position and please don't quote or respond to my posts again.

I have no interest in your comments.

You asked why North aren't offering a pick one better than what Essendon may. I told you exactly why.

Sorry the truth doesn't fit into your narrative that everyone wants to play for North.

 

[Tyler Hodges]

Stop shit stirring keep on topic

 

[Mitchell54]

With Smith nominating Essendon how does this work out?
Essendon:
In: Smith, 27
Out: 11, 2018 2nd?

Adelaide:
In: 10, 11, Ess 2018 2nd?
Out: Lever 16

Melbourne:
In: Lever
Out: 10 27

GWS:
In: 16
Out: Smith

I've thrown our 2018 2nd in there but not sure of it now that I look at it. And I know the days of the mega 4 way extravaganza is gone but it is a hypothetical thread after all.

Essendon can maybe up 27, 29 somewhere and get Stringer.

Adelaide use CC trade (18 i'd guess at) to get Gibbs.

As others have said I think Essendon are getting overs. Maybe a swap of 3rds with Adelaide would be fairer just to get Adelaide over the line

 

[citizen-erased]

There's a few things that have me questioning Essendon getting these three trades done.
1. Dodoro is well known for being frugal and overvaluing the value of his players and picks. He will want the 3 for picks 11 and 28 alone and I can't see that happening, not with this weak draft 11 isn't that valuable and having to please 3 seperate clubs.
2. Why recruit Smith and Stringer, both play similar positions with similar question marks surrounding them- stringers mental commitment/ Exeternal discipline problems, Smiths injury history. They also both want more midfield time but have questionable stamina and would be huge liabilities in the midfield defensively.i can see the Don's getting Smith/ Stringer as well as Saad, but 3 seems highly unlikely.

1 - future picks are an option. We've never traded ours
2 - we play a brand that embraces pace and good ball movement plus forward line efficiency.
These are 3 upgrades on personnel
Stringer -> green
Smith -> Colyer
Saad -> Kelly/McGrath (who goes into the middle)

 

[DangerSloane]

The problem for the Crows is that they have chosen to follow the Geelong method of payments.

This works well, but only if you already have the premiership list in place.

Well we were one game away from winning it this year.
Its not like we dont have a list capable of winning a premiership.

These guys leaving will not be the end of the world. Melbourne are overpaying Lever and Cameron had about 3 good games in 2017.
We may end up with 3 first round picks which will give us a good look at a star or some really really good kids.

Dont think we wont be around the mark again next year.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Well we were one game away from winning it this year.
Its not like we dont have a list capable of winning a premiership.

I don't think this year is any reasonable future form line.

Dont think we wont be around the mark again next year.

Your club has been around the mark since 1998. Just sayin'

 

[DangerSloane]

I don't think this year is any reasonable future form line.



Your club has been around the mark since 1998. Just sayin'

Isnt that the point?
Id rather be in with a chance than down the bottom and still unable to lure players with offers of $1.3m per year

Lets be honest, id be much more worried about Norths inability to attract any kind of talent than Adelaide's ability to cover for the loss of money hungry mercenaries

 

[Snake_Baker]

Isnt that the point?
Id rather be in with a chance than down the bottom and still unable to lure players with offers of $1.3m per year

No club that has engaged an unassisted policy of not bottoming out, has won a grand final.

It may put a club in contention, but then it needs luck to intervene.

Lets be honest, id be much more worried about Norths inability to attract any kind of talent than Adelaide's ability to cover for the loss of money hungry mercenaries

I'm not worried about us at all.

We have arrived at a situation where we are going to get the required players either by the draft or by trading. We are also going to luck in to what looks like a rich vein of academy and F/S talent next draft period. We also don't have retention issues.

I'm not here to wind you up, I am just of the opinion that the crows are fast approaching the point where they may contemplate changing tack and making a radical overhaul to their list by taking to it with a machete and trading.

 

[DangerSloane]

No club that has engaged an unassisted policy of not bottoming out, has won a grand final.

It may put a club in contention, but then it needs luck to intervene.



I'm not worried about us at all.

We have arrived at a situation where we are going to get the required players either by the draft or by trading. We are also going to luck in to what looks like a rich vein of academy and F/S talent next draft period. We also don't have retention issues.

I'm not here to wind you up, I am just of the opinion that the crows are fast approaching the point where they may contemplate changing tack and making a radical overhaul to their list by taking to it with a machete and trading.

What you mean by get the required players?
All of the players you require have said no to joining your club, even for a massive pay increase.

Not trying to be a prick, but thats the reality of the situation.

We dont need to do an overhaul because players are already leaving for currency.
We could have 4 first round picks this year. For the team that finished top that is a semi-rebuild without having to drop down the ladder (hopefully)

 

[Wally Walpamur]

I don't think North have been reported in for Smith with 21 is probably because they spoke with Devon's management and they told them they weren't interested.

 

[Snake_Baker]

What you mean by get the required players?
All of the players you require have said no to joining your club, even for a massive pay increase.

Not trying to be a prick, but thats the reality of the situation.

Whatever. It's not important to our current discussion.

We dont need to do an overhaul because players are already leaving for currency. We could have 4 first round picks this year. For the team that finished top that is a semi-rebuild without having to drop down the ladder (hopefully)

4 picks is stretching the limits, but let's say that does occur. You still need to factor in the bridge of time that involves ready to go talent leaving and new talent coming in that will need development. You also need to factor in player types. e.g. It doesn't look like your club will be picking up a Jake lever in this draft.

 

[M Malice]

Our picks 12 and 18 for the Dockers picks 5 and 40 or the Pies picks 6 and 36?

Pick 5- 1878 points, pick 40 429 points = 2307.
Pick 6- 1751 points, pick 36 502 points = 2253.
Pick 12 and 18- 2253 points.

 

[Wally Walpamur]

Our picks 12 and 18 for the Dockers picks 5 and 40 or the Pies picks 6 and 36?

Pick 5- 1878 points, pick 40 429 points = 2307.
Pick 6- 1751 points, pick 36 502 points = 2253.
Pick 12 and 18- 2253 points.

Dreaming

 

[M Malice]

Dreaming

Anything is possible in dreams and hypothetical's Wally.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Dodoro has never been able to trade and now he thinks he can get 4 players in 1 trade period.. No point all these players nominating Essendon when Dodoro best and final will be so far below market value that the clubs will refuse to negotiate.