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List Mgmt. 2018 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy
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With picks 16, 24 and 44 is it possible with maybe Keefe and amour leaving the club tries to pick up Kotschike although not an academy pick he could be a chance to still be around at pick 24 and with Patton down HH will play permanent forward and I can see Tomlinson spending time as a forward as well and depending on fitness and things it will be hard for Patton to fight back for a spot
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Davis Corr Taylor
Mid size defenders/Flexible
Haynes Buntine TOJ Stein
Unless the club takes a punt on keeping J Buckley on the list or tries one of the academy kids
Also need to wait to see what trades are done and the club has the option with live trading to try and move picks around if required
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Davis Corr Taylor
Mid size defenders/Flexible
Haynes Buntine TOJ Stein
Unless the club takes a punt on keeping J Buckley on the list or tries one of the academy kids
Also need to wait to see what trades are done and the club has the option with live trading to try and move picks around if required
Essendon and Carlton have their eyes on GWS youngster Will Setterfield, despite being contracted for the next two years.
The former fifth pick (in the 2016 draft), has been limited to just two games so far in his career because of injury. It is understood that the Giants may be willing to let him go to help relieve a potential salary cap squeeze.
(per. Mitch Cleary, AFL.com.au)
Knew about the interest from Essendon and Carlton already but apparently WE are the ones that want to let a contracted talented youngster go because of a 'potential' salary cap squeeze. Doubt it. Would see Griffen and Lids retire before that happens. Shaw might be heading for early retirement too if his PCL injury affects his leg speed. If Essendon want him - McGrath for Setterfield end of discussion. If its too ridiculous for them to fathom then too bad, not happening. Will be required for next year once he recovers from the ACL and if he does not want to go, we dont want to trade him.
The former fifth pick (in the 2016 draft), has been limited to just two games so far in his career because of injury. It is understood that the Giants may be willing to let him go to help relieve a potential salary cap squeeze.
(per. Mitch Cleary, AFL.com.au)
Knew about the interest from Essendon and Carlton already but apparently WE are the ones that want to let a contracted talented youngster go because of a 'potential' salary cap squeeze. Doubt it. Would see Griffen and Lids retire before that happens. Shaw might be heading for early retirement too if his PCL injury affects his leg speed. If Essendon want him - McGrath for Setterfield end of discussion. If its too ridiculous for them to fathom then too bad, not happening. Will be required for next year once he recovers from the ACL and if he does not want to go, we dont want to trade him.
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If we even contemplated letting Setterfield leave early whilst in contract it would be the single dumbest move in List Management history, salary cap issues or not. If you think Ahern has shown promise, Setterfield is even better.
The interest from Essendon is real, I can 100% confirm that, as well as them enquiring about Shiel, but they can go and get stuffed. My information is that is what they were told...in a more polite manner.
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I dont blame them for being interested, if I barracked for another team I would want my team to enquire as well. However, when VIC clubs keep creating imaginary reasons for our players wanting out (more money, go-home factor, opportunities, salary cap) 2 years from being out of contract, its getting to the realm of stupidity. Setters will be best 22 by next year if he gets a good run with injury and a solid preseason. Touted to be rated as highly as Kelly was when we selected him - glad the club is backing him and telling clubs to get lost. We will not be trading him just as Essendon will not consider trading McGrath.
You show an unfathomable lack of respect to Shaw in this comment
My apologies - I agree, it was my poor choice of wording. Love the way Heater plays and didnt mean any disrespect to the guy. It was based on an interview from Shaw in the past where he had an end of season review with Leon and they were contemplating his future. Cameron apparently told Shaw along the lines that he could keep playing at a highly competitive level as long as he could keep maintaining his speed which he has to this point. The MCL injury is significant given his age and the fact he has had a relatively clean bill of health throughout his GIANTS career so I had some reservations regarding this. Of course, would love Heater to keep going, but only if he is physically healthy. He has in many ways shaped the giants backline together with davis and hoping he can leave the game on a high rather than extending his career one year too long.
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More talk about our tight cap and clubs circling Shiel.
If it means we keep players like Taranto (who will require much more money soon) then I’m all for it. Apparently Shiel has said he will return to Melbourne as a free agent. If that’s the case I’d trade him now while we get more value.
If it also meant we got Walsh from this years deaft then that would be a great outcome.
In saying this I’d be more than happy if Shiel stayed.
Our midfield if Shiel is traded:
Ward, Cogs, Hopper, Kelly, Taranto, Scully, Setterfield, Bonar, Walsh*
Whitfield, Greene, Williams, DeBoer rolling through there too
Something I find is really important is to have a good age spread. That midfield has a great age spread.
If it means we keep players like Taranto (who will require much more money soon) then I’m all for it. Apparently Shiel has said he will return to Melbourne as a free agent. If that’s the case I’d trade him now while we get more value.
If it also meant we got Walsh from this years deaft then that would be a great outcome.
In saying this I’d be more than happy if Shiel stayed.
Our midfield if Shiel is traded:
Ward, Cogs, Hopper, Kelly, Taranto, Scully, Setterfield, Bonar, Walsh*
Whitfield, Greene, Williams, DeBoer rolling through there too
Something I find is really important is to have a good age spread. That midfield has a great age spread.
I understand alot of the boys here are very keen on keeping shiel onto 2019 since he will increase our chances of winning a premiership but I honestly feel that we are not a worse team with Shiel out. Love the sentimental value of Shiel being an original and the unique burst he adds but if he is planning on leaving in 2019 anyway and he is somewhat looking to explore his options in 2018, if a ripper deal comes our way there should be no reason our list management team doesnt at least explore that avenue. Not sure he would opt to go to Carlton/Saints so Walsh might be a bit of an ask but 2 mid 1st rd picks (8-13) would be an excellent return in a deep 2018 1st rd draft. Would be of benefit to GWS but not sure other teams would be willing to give that much for Shiel given they could easily just pursue him the year after. If anyone does bite though, gives us the chance to get 3 1st rounders - potentially rozee, hill and RCD though I feel like its probably wishful thinking. Regardless of what we get in return if Shiel is adamant on leaving, Taranto, Setterfield, Shipley and Bonar will get the chance to step up and play a permanent mid spot which would not otherwise have opened up and that can only fast track their development. They have very different skill sets to Shiel but all our players are unique and will excel in different ways. Shiel is amazing but he is not without weaknesses. We will also free up more room to extend Kelly and Cogs but we should look sign them up quickly if Shiel leaves to keep the morale high within the group.
I think our match against (albeit) Carlton highlighted that even missing Shiel, Taranto and Scully, a midfield with Kelly, Whitfield, Ward, Cogs, Hopper and Tomlinson can be very dominant and efficient. If we can develop a champion team, another hardworking player with less talent can come in and we will excel even if we lose a great player. All that being said, would ultimately love for Shiel to stay and hope he does, however my cynicism has always taught me to prepare for the worst.
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Problem I have is … it's all hearsay - Shiel wants out and/or GWS has SC issue. Secondly, Carlton will want to underpay if it's them - paying a pick from next year (i.e. improve their team & results with him in their team & hence pay less in a year, in a worse draft year) or some later first round picks this year - and I don't know that Shiel would want to go to a struggling team anyway. Any decent team - Tigers, Hawks - are not going to be paying early draft picks so he won't be replaced by similar quality (unless we really nail our draft pick). That said, yes we have quality within the squad to replace him, but will need time to develop guys like Bonar & Setterfield. However, I do agree that it's important to spread the age profile of the list - I just would like to hold off another year at least.
Surprised no extension has been announced for Taylor or Daniels although maybe the bye week for best exposure
And looking at the contracts for 2019 so many need to be resigned I hope the start confirming some of them in December/January
And looking at the contracts for 2019 so many need to be resigned I hope the start confirming some of them in December/January
If Shiel and or setterfield depart and I mean if, i suspect it will be Essendon.
Whether essendon can satisfy gws in a trade is the other question.
Whether essendon can satisfy gws in a trade is the other question.
Is “suspect” another word for hope?
I mean when the police have a “suspect” there is usually evidence right? So is there any evidence?
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If the saints dont offer billy longer a new contract at the end of this year, would we consider him as a cheap ruck option given preuss seems expensive? Not too sure how his career at the saints has been going so far but hasnt seemed to be able to secure the number 1 ruck spot ahead of hickey.
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It would be ironic if we ended up with longer as he was considered a big miss during the inaugural draft
Not a bad ruckman really, and although he may not have fulfilled his potential, he has a good leap (something mummy and simpson didnt have), solid hands and covers the ground quite well. He wouldnt be an A-grade ruck but I feel would be an upgrade from Dawson both in terms of age and skills. He would also be able to take the weight off rory's shoulders and lobb could pinch hit as required. The 2 ruck approach seemed quite effective when Simpson moved into the team, but if Lobb can bulk up more and reliably take the primary ruck role with Patton returning, Longer would move to the 2nds and be able to help the development of Flynn and Briggs (if we take him in the draft). Might see Simpson getting delisted though if we can snag Longer. However, Longer left brisbane due to homesickness so not sure he would consider making the journey back out to sydney. A list should have about 4-5 able players who can ruck in case of injuries so I dont think he would be a bad pickup at all.
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I am open to the recruitment of another senior ruck but it depends on the cost in terms of salary cap draft picks and also it would mean no spot for Simpson on the list IMO
Plenty of possibles around and I think it depends on how the coaches see Lobb playing also I see next year as the chance for Sproule and Flynn to play a few games as I think the depth in small forwards is there and one of those two can fill if one of HH Cameron and Tomlinson miss
Plenty of possibles around and I think it depends on how the coaches see Lobb playing also I see next year as the chance for Sproule and Flynn to play a few games as I think the depth in small forwards is there and one of those two can fill if one of HH Cameron and Tomlinson miss
A slightly better ruck as a whole and 4.5 years younger (Longer turning 26 in May next year and Simpson turning 30 in February next year). Longer also a much better leap so would be more intimidating in packs since he can jump at packs and take contested marks like Lobb. Yes, would agree it would mean there isnt a spot for Simpson though.
It is harder to entice someone to leave Melbourne for the possibility of maybe 5-10 games and also the insecurity of a one year contract so more salary is required for that and also they could just swap clubs in Melbourne for the same money as a few clubs from rumours are struggling to reach the minimum salary spend
In the lead up to our game with the saints a lot of the discussion on their board was around who would ruck for them
Most of the posts about longer were he was shit. Why on earth would we target a bloke who can’t get a gig for a bottom team? Hard pass
Most of the posts about longer were he was shit. Why on earth would we target a bloke who can’t get a gig for a bottom team? Hard pass
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It's not quite that simple tbh, though some sainters would like it to be.
Longer is a better than decent ruck, but a less than average fwd, so one dimensional, he also spent most of this year battling injuries of varying significance.
Hickey is an ok ruck who is more effective around the ground.
Longer could just as easily as not be their number 1 ruck next year and doi a decent job.
Wont happen though regardless of talent or lack thereof, as has already been noted he returned to Melbourne for personal reasons and is very unlikely to want to leave.
I'm not really sold on us needing a new ruck unless it's a dude with a year or two at best in him, Flynn is a super exciting young talent and to cut off his avenue to AFL game time with another youngish ruck coming in not only sends the wrong sort of message to the playing group about opportunity, but would also likely see us lose him.
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