Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Pt 2

[Metalcrusher]

As to BG, he epitomises the cesspit culture that is Essendope and even they can see he has outlived his usefulness. Flat track bully with passive aggressive leadership skills. Would be an invaluable asset to be around and instil into our 18/19/20 yo's.

GAGF'd.

 

[La Dispute]

Play him forward - immediate upgrade on Wright and Polson.

 

[La Dispute]

The nature of assessing a player, is not what they are today, is what they can be tomorrow. I can guarantee, with a better quality of players on the park to support the developing youth, the better the output.

Like many had Weitering traded, like many thought that Harry was a bust, like many thought that Fisher wouldn't cut it.

That’s incredibly obvious - both points.

Some players have ‘it’ and show some base-level signs from the start - think Williamson, Dow, Fisher.

Polson is basically Tom Temay if Temay has of been gifted games during his two years on the list. He’s very average.

 

[BlueRenaissance]

I don't see much merit in Goddard and he is a dickhead.

Though sometimes i think about Mullet, Shaw and O'Shea and their stupid decision making repetitively in 2018. When i think about them then Goddard looks much better as 1, he can kick, and 2) he can make good decisions. The unaccountability and flogness of him is all correct. Wants to direct others a lot of the defensive side of things.

Saving us in 2019 is that we have a trade period yet, and Docherty returning. And Byrne finding form. Plus a few others coming back from injury.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I don't see much merit in Goddard and he is a dickhead.

Though sometimes i think about Mullet, Shaw and O'Shea and their stupid decision making repetitively in 2018. When i think about them then Goddard looks much better as 1, he can kick, and 2) he can make good decisions. The unaccountability and flogness of him is all correct. Wants to direct others a lot of the defensive side of things.

Saving us in 2019 is that we have a trade period yet, and Docherty returning. And Byrne finding form. Plus a few others coming back from injury.

Add Williamson. Goddard is 0% chance to join us

 

[BlueRenaissance]

The nature of assessing a player, is not what they are today, is what they can be tomorrow. I can guarantee, with a better quality of players on the park to support the developing youth, the better the output.

Like many had Weitering traded, like many thought that Harry was a bust, like many thought that Fisher wouldn't cut it.

Polson might make it. But we have to be honest with ourselves in that Polson wouldnt get a game in any other side in the AFL.

He has landed at the perfect time as both Pickett and Garlett dont want to chase much and there is no one else. He is being gifted games as the well is dry and he is last man standing.

Sounds like im being shit on him. But it is my analysis of his shoots that im talking about. His green shoots are pretty weak ones.

 

[Arr0w]

That’s incredibly obvious - both points.

Some players have ‘it’ and show some base-level signs from the start - think Williamson, Dow, Fisher.

Polson is basically Tom Temay if Temay has of been gifted games during his two years on the list. He’s very average.

Polson is nothing like Temay

I have never suggested that all our draftees will make it, but to write them off so early, is flawed. As you know, all players have different levels of development, some shoot out of the gate, Lewis Taylor, but don't really improve output over their journey, while others are a slow burn, Robbie Gray

 

[Arr0w]

Polson might make it. But we have to be honest with ourselves in that Polson wouldnt get a game in any other side in the AFL.

He has landed at the perfect time as both Pickett and Garlett dont want to chase much and there is no one else. He is being gifted games as the well is dry and he is last man standing.

Sounds like im being shit on him. But it is my analysis of his shoots that im talking about. His green shoots are pretty weak ones.

I think the club has been smart with how they are trying to develop our players. We could have played more seasoned bodies more regularly, such as Graham, Kerridge, etc, but we all know the results, while perhaps losing margins may have decreased, we were always going to be lose given our injuries.

While other rebuilding clubs have played more senior bodies, we have given games early on to our kids. While Polson will never be a star, his output is not that different to other small forwards in poor sides, many with more seasons under their belt.

On the weekend, he only had 10 touches.

More than Mullet, Wright, SPS. As for the Dogs that won the game, he had more than, Dickson, Lynch, Greene, Gowers (All 4 being forwards)

The reason many have determined that he is not up to standard, is a lack of goals, but that will come, once we are more competitive as a group.

Again, he will not be a star, but he will be a regular contributor, while at the club

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Play him forward - immediate upgrade on Wright and Polson.

He’s a huge downgrade on Wright both as a forward, defensively and with the off the field work ethic and personality.

The guy isn’t a HF. Plays his best footy behind the ball as a free player who doesn’t have to do anything defensively and can set up the play. Would be useless up forward and I’d certainly prefer Polsons endeavour and scope for improvement than a grumpy, slow and selfish old man running around for a maximum of one year whilst also providing nothing of value off the field.

 

[Soapy V]

Who is still without a contract? Lots to play out and a few will be waiting until trade period is over to see if they get another year. I can't see us paying out contracts again.

ASOS (retired)
Simpson
Thomas
JGM
LeBois
Rowe
Kerridge
Wright
Lobbe
Graham
Shaw
Mullett
O'Shea?

 

[BigFrizz36]

I’m calling it. Every other player getting games has shown something to show they’ve got a future. The aforementioned are making up the numbers and getting gifted games due to our lack of depth, and will struggle with another draft and trade period behind us.

Would love to be proven wrong, but I highly doubt it. We’re not talking about key position talent either.

So let me get this right.

We are missing a golden opportunity in not getting Goddard.

Lang, Cuningham, Silvagni and polson are no good.

And you are calling others myopic.??

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

That’s incredibly obvious - both points.

Some players have ‘it’ and show some base-level signs from the start - think Williamson, Dow, Fisher.

Polson is basically Tom Temay if Temay has of been gifted games during his two years on the list. He’s very average.

Temay was one of the most disappointing players I've seen. He had a great résumé and remember him beating Whitfield. Great runner (brilliant in fact), clean user, great attitude just never any good

 

[Jeremias]

Who is still without a contract? Lots to play out and a few will be waiting until trade period is over to see if they get another year. I can't see us paying out contracts again.

ASOS (retired)
Simpson
Thomas
JGM
LeBois
Rowe
Kerridge
Wright
Lobbe
Graham
Shaw
Mullett
O'Shea?

You've forgotten Lamb.

Lobbe most likely has another year, had two years left at Port Adelaide so doubt we cut into that.

O'Shea was taken in the ND, I believe the rules state that equates to a minimum two year contract, but that may not be the case for those who have already been in the system previously.

My guess is Mullett has a two year contract but I haven't found any confirmation on that either way.

O'Shea and Phillips I'd say are both chances of having their contracts paid out early. Casboult too depending on what we do via trade and free agency.

 

[Soapy V]

Thanks. So Uncontracted?

ASOS (retired)
Simpson
Thomas
JGM
LeBois
Rowe
Kerridge
Wright
Lobbe
Graham
Shaw
Lamb

 

[La Dispute]

So let me get this right.

We are missing a golden opportunity in not getting Goddard.

Lang, Cuningham, Silvagni and polson are no good.

And you are calling others myopic.??

I’ve got a different opinion to others, which is healthy for discussion on here.

Far too much groupthink and unfounded optimism on the basis on nothing.

JMO

 

[Soapy V]

I’ve got a different opinion to others, which is healthy for discussion on here.

Far too much groupthink and unfounded optimism on the basis on nothing.

JMO

Not getting it are you? Myopic is the key

 

[Blues90]

Why would either McGovern or Shiel want to sign with us? Walsh isn’t currently a Carlton player and Cuningham, Silvagni, Lang and Polson are average and genuine fringe players without much scope for improvement.

Goddard would be good for us, a free.

The whole thing just reads lol it doesn't annoy me just feel sorry for you

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[La Dispute]

Not getting it are you? Myopic is the key

That was actually in response to you thinking we’re somehow going to get Shiel and McGovern.

A nice pipe dream, but way off.

 

[Blues90]

Who is still without a contract? Lots to play out and a few will be waiting until trade period is over to see if they get another year. I can't see us paying out contracts again.

ASOS (retired)
Simpson
Thomas
JGM
LeBois
Rowe
Kerridge
Wright
Lobbe
Graham
Shaw
Mullett
O'Shea?

I feel that Lobbe Thomas and Simpson are the only guaruntees

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[Soapy V]

That was actually in response to you thinking we’re somehow going to get Shiel and McGovern.

A nice pipe dream, but way off.

Still not getting it

 

[Arr0w]

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/38-ciarán-byrne-will-he-be-the-player-we-think-he-could-be.1042644/page-10#post-57482168

Stamos Soapy V dragged it over here so we don't clog up the Byrne thread. Lets be slightly more creative with starting 22 next year and future. This without any additions

Byrne, Macreadie, Plowman
Marchy, Weiters, Willo
LOB, Doc, Fisher
Kennedy, Charlie, Samo
Pickett, Harry, Jack
Kreuzer, Cripps, Dow

I/C Murphy, Cuners, Simpson, Garlett, Lang, Ed, Jones, Schmacher, TDK, Wright, Thomas, Lamb

All young, apart from Kreuzer.

The senior guys can cover in multiple positions, depending on the growth of our under 25, Jones>Macreadie, Murphy>Pickett, etc

Reason I like Doc through the middle is that he can drift with the play similar to what Goddard has done through his career, it allows for a strong back 6, while allowing us to have better ball users through the middle

 

[Soapy V]

I feel that Lobbe Thomas and Simpson are the only guaruntees

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I reckon Rowe (now ASOS has gone) and Lamb will stay as well

 

[Blues90]

You've forgotten Lamb.

Lobbe most likely has another year, had two years left at Port Adelaide so doubt we cut into that.

O'Shea was taken in the ND, I believe the rules state that equates to a minimum two year contract, but that may not be the case for those who have already been in the system previously.

My guess is Mullett has a two year contract but I haven't found any confirmation on that either way.

O'Shea and Phillips I'd say are both chances of having their contracts paid out early. Casboult too depending on what we do via trade and free agency.

Only for a new draftee

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[Blues90]

I reckon Rowe (now ASOS has gone) and Lamb will stay as well

Possibly but if we keep rowe do we trade jones?

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[Soapy V]

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/38-ciarán-byrne-will-he-be-the-player-we-think-he-could-be.1042644/page-10#post-57482168

Stamos Soapy V dragged it over here so we don't clog up the Byrne thread. Lets be slightly more creative with starting 22 next year and future. This without any additions

Byrne, Macreadie, Plowman
Marchy, Weiters, Willo
LOB, Doc, Fisher
Kennedy, Charlie, Samo
Pickett, Harry, Jack
Kreuzer, Cripps, Dow

I/C Murphy, Cuners, Simpson, Garlett, Lang, Ed, Jones, Schmacher, TDK, Wright, Thomas

All young, apart from Kreuzer.

The senior guys can cover in multiple positions, depending on the growth of our under 25, Jones>Macreadie, Murphy>Pickett, etc

Reason I like Doc through the middle is that he can drift with the play similar to what Goddard has done through his career, it allows for a strong back 6, while allowing us to have better ball users through the middle

I like it but can't see Doc in the middle especially coming back from a knee. We may also get Shiel and Walsh. His value is then in defence.