List Mgmt. 2018 St Kilda Trade Thread Part 2

[nitewalker13]

 

[kernelT]

I like that we are turning the screws hard on WCE anyway, regardless of if we actually take a player or not.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

You would have to think that one of:
Hickey/Longer are gone for a second
and
Paddy/Bruce are gone for a first
and
Billings is gone for a first
and maybe
Dunstan/Ross could be gone for first/second

We won't know next years side.

 

[Mikka84]

You would have to think that one of:
Hickey/Longer are gone for a pack of chips
and
Paddy/Bruce are gone for a pack of chips
and
Billings is gone for a first
and maybe
Dunstan gone for a pack of chips
and
Ross could be gone for first/second

We won't know next years side.

Fixed it for you

 

[Positively Pleasing]

Perfect three way trade that keeps all clubs happy without the need for 2018 draft selections to be hindered.

Geelong are ultra keen to find a long term replacement and/or foil for Hawkins.

Fremantle are ultra keen to lure Tim Kelly back to WA.

St Kilda are ultra keen to bolster their midfield stocks.

McCartin (and change) to Geelong/ Tim Kelly to Fremantle/ Cerra to St Kilda.

Nobody really loses as Kelly and Cerra will eventually head home (be it now or next contract) and McCartin gets a fresh start back home. Geelong may want something more added to the deal but i think that could be arranged in some fashion without touching our picks.

Thoughts?

 

[Longmembrey]

Perfect three way trade that keeps all clubs happy without the need for 2018 draft selections to be hindered.

Geelong are ultra keen to find a long term replacement and/or foil for Hawkins.

Fremantle are ultra keen to lure Tim Kelly back to WA.

St Kilda are ultra keen to bolster their midfield stocks.

McCartin (and change) to Geelong/ Tim Kelly to Fremantle/ Cerra to St Kilda.

Nobody really loses as Kelly and Cerra will eventually head home (be it now or next contract) and McCartin gets a fresh start back home. Geelong may want something more added to the deal but i think that could be arranged in some fashion without touching our picks.

Thoughts?

Would love it but we ain't getting Cerra for McCartin & change. Unless that change is Jack Steven.

 

[saintmagic]

Perfect three way trade that keeps all clubs happy without the need for 2018 draft selections to be hindered.

Geelong are ultra keen to find a long term replacement and/or foil for Hawkins.

Fremantle are ultra keen to lure Tim Kelly back to WA.

St Kilda are ultra keen to bolster their midfield stocks.

McCartin (and change) to Geelong/ Tim Kelly to Fremantle/ Cerra to St Kilda.

Nobody really loses as Kelly and Cerra will eventually head home (be it now or next contract) and McCartin gets a fresh start back home. Geelong may want something more added to the deal but i think that could be arranged in some fashion without touching our picks.

Thoughts?

Fremantle wouldn't do it. Cerra is a lot more valuable than Kelly.

Kelly is good but is also 24 and near his peak. Cerra could be anything and at 19 has a lot of upside (and was pick 5 which means something 1 year out from the draft). Cerra looks composed with the ball, good kick and can win the inside ball. Easily could become on of the best mids in the comp.

If Cerra does leave i think Freo will hold out for a high first round pick. Will be interesting though as he said he will sign a contract extension at the end of the year.

 

[gringo2011]

Fremantle wouldn't do it. Cerra is a lot more valuable than Kelly.

Kelly is good but is also 24 and near his peak. Cerra could be anything and at 19 has a lot of upside (and was pick 5 which means something 1 year out from the draft). Cerra looks composed with the ball, good kick and can win the inside ball. Easily could become on of the best mids in the comp.

If Cerra does leave i think Freo will hold out for a high first round pick. Will be interesting though as he said he will sign a contract extension at the end of the year.

Kelly is worth much more than Cerra. Cerra is promising but Kelly looks like he could give the Brownlow a shake in a few years. He's probably the best first year player since the Bont even if he is older.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=9&type=A&pid1=6481&pid2=6476&fid1=S&fid2=S

 

[Sadsainter]

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That's where.

I'm not one for just statistics.. They can be used either way in every argument. But Lycett has always played second fiddle to NN. Agree that he hasn't showm so far to be the messiah - but he has the feel of a ruck nearing peak age to take hold of games.

Look at his past month since Nic Nat has been out. He has been one of the best afield in 2-3 of those games when given the chance. For his stats this year to compare nearly identical to Hickey's whilst only playing 40% ruck time is pretty good.

I would like that we started recruiting players who don’t look like serial killers

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

I would like that we started recruiting players who don’t look like serial killers

trout? is that you?

 

[Premium]

trout? is that you?

Really do think the Saints will go after every free agent that is still of some value - Lynch , Gaff , Lycett , Menzel , Liberatore , Luke Dahlhaus and Mitch Wallis - guys like this would strength our list and give some need leadership and experience compared to our senior guys like Weller , Gilbert , Armitage.

Things are starting to heat up and names are coming up we havn't heard of that could be in the market.

VICTORIAN clubs are circling contracted Greater Western Sydney midfielder Will Setterfield.

Essendon and Carlton have emerged as suitors for the inside ball-winner who has been struck down by injury in his two years at the Giants.

Despite Setterfield being signed until the end of 2020, rival clubs have become aware of a potential salary cap squeeze which could open the door to off-season movement.

Ed Langford - Cerra could also move

 

[saintmagic]

Kelly is worth much more than Cerra. Cerra is promising but Kelly looks like he could give the Brownlow a shake in a few years. He's probably the best first year player since the Bont even if he is older.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=9&type=A&pid1=6481&pid2=6476&fid1=S&fid2=S

Personally I would put my money on Cerra winning a brownlow over Kelly doing the same.

Sure Kelly had a great first season but there are plenty of 24 year olds averaging 20 touches a game.

Remember the main knock on Cerra was injury issues in his draft year. He has played 19 games this year so that doesn't seem like much of an issue now. He looks similar to Taranto and I would not be surprised if he has a breakout year next year.

Closer to home, would you trade Hunter Clark for Tim Kelly? I certainly wouldn't.

 

[Positively Pleasing]

On a side issue - whilst it is not exactly headline news to St Kilda fans, i am well informed that Longer has already been advised his contract is not to be renewed and he will be up for trade at season's end. Again, not earth shattering stuff, but takes away any of the conjecture on here.

 

[TheJackal]

Fremantle wouldn't do it. Cerra is a lot more valuable than Kelly.

Kelly is good but is also 24 and near his peak. Cerra could be anything and at 19 has a lot of upside (and was pick 5 which means something 1 year out from the draft). Cerra looks composed with the ball, good kick and can win the inside ball. Easily could become on of the best mids in the comp.

If Cerra does leave i think Freo will hold out for a high first round pick. Will be interesting though as he said he will sign a contract extension at the end of the year.

I was thinking about Cerra before I read this.

I feel a little ill saying this, but I'd trade McCartin and Acres for Cerra.

Freo gets: Kelly and Acres
Gives: Cerra

Geelong: McCartin, 15-25 pick
Gives: Kelly,

St Kilda: Cerra
Gives: McCartin and Acres, 15-25 pick (either PP of from both rucks being traded)

Geelong is the tough one to please here which would mean we are paying overs to shake Cerra free.

Go to the draft with pick 4 and happily grab King who automatically upgrades Paddy.

So assuming a bunch of recently suggested trades/FAs took place.

Saints in:

Hanners, Lycett, Menzel, Cerra, pick 4 (King, Walsh or Smith).

Saints out:

Acres, McCartin, Longer, Hickey.

 

[CaptainRisky]

If you don't have players who can run both ways then we are pretty much farting in a hurricane...

That cant be good for you

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

im hearing WCE are into Kelly in a big way ... and from that Kelly is a million times more keen to play for WCE over Freo ... (realistically Kelly would love to stay at Geelong but happy wife happy life)..
how it gets done is going to be very interesting

 

[gringo2011]

Personally I would put my money on Cerra winning a brownlow over Kelly doing the same.

Sure Kelly had a great first season but there are plenty of 24 year olds averaging 20 touches a game.

Remember the main knock on Cerra was injury issues in his draft year. He has played 19 games this year so that doesn't seem like much of an issue now. He looks similar to Taranto and I would not be surprised if he has a breakout year next year.

Would you trade Hunter Clark for Tim Kelly? I certainly wouldn't.

Yes and would drive him there myself. I don't know how much of Geelong you have watched this year but he's been unbelievable. He had 36 possessions against Richmond a couple of weeks ago and he's playing mid and resting up front to allow Ablett, Danger and Selwood midfield time. I literally would swap what ever player that asked for for him....maybe even Gresham if he was keen to stay in Vic.

 

[gringo2011]

I was thinking about Cerra before I read this.

I feel a little ill saying this, but I'd trade McCartin and Acres for Cerra.

Freo gets: Kelly and Acres
Gives: Cerra

Geelong: McCartin, 15-25 pick
Gives: Kelly,

St Kilda: Cerra
Gives: McCartin and Acres, 15-25 pick (either PP of from both rucks being traded)

Geelong is the tough one to please here which would mean we are paying overs to shake Cerra free.

Go to the draft with pick 4 and happily grab King who automatically upgrades Paddy.

So assuming a bunch of recently suggested trades/FAs took place.

Saints in:

Hanners, Lycett, Menzel, Cerra, pick 4 (King, Walsh or Smith).

Saints out:

Acres, McCartin, Longer, Hickey.

Why would you give Acres and Paddy. Acres is probably overs to me but if both players wanted home you'd do it. Cerra's a promising high pick but Acres is ready to go and a much more definite output. Paddy is better off developing at Sandy that just tossing him out as steak knives.

 

[LeonardHayes87]

On a side issue - whilst it is not exactly headline news to St Kilda fans, i am well informed that Longer has already been advised his contract is not to be renewed and he will be up for trade at season's end. Again, not earth shattering stuff, but takes away any of the conjecture on here.

Ok with this.

Unfortunately as soon as the ball hits the deck having Billy out there is like playing with one less player. Also doesn't mark the footy enough.

 

[gringo2011]

Makes sense.

People were asking about why put Wright in for season ending surgery to get him right for pre-season when he is likely to be traded/delisted. And i guess you could ask the same about Longer.

Personally, i tend to look at it like the club is setting them up for life after football. Both Longer/Wright probably look unlikely to get afl contracts next year so getting there bodies right (i guess getting any surgery that needs to be done) while they are at a club which both pays for it and will be there to help with the rehab seems like a pretty good idea. Also doubt eithers value changes much if they don't play so having it done might put them in a better position as they would be closer to starting pre-season with a clean bill of health.

Longer will get another gig as a back up somewhere. I can see him doing a Dawson Simpson.

 

[Longmembrey]

I was thinking about Cerra before I read this.

I feel a little ill saying this, but I'd trade McCartin and Acres for Cerra.

Freo gets: Kelly and Acres
Gives: Cerra

Geelong: McCartin, 15-25 pick
Gives: Kelly,

St Kilda: Cerra
Gives: McCartin and Acres, 15-25 pick (either PP of from both rucks being traded)

Geelong is the tough one to please here which would mean we are paying overs to shake Cerra free.

Go to the draft with pick 4 and happily grab King who automatically upgrades Paddy.

So assuming a bunch of recently suggested trades/FAs took place.

Saints in:

Hanners, Lycett, Menzel, Cerra, pick 4 (King, Walsh or Smith).

Saints out:

Acres, McCartin, Longer, Hickey.

Yeah sounds good for us but no way Geelong would be happy with that

 

[Indie Rock]

Is he entrenched best 22, will we cry?

70s Sainter: it’s Tom Hickey

Gringo:

 

[Rors]

Yes and would drive him there myself. I don't know how much of Geelong you have watched this year but he's been unbelievable. He had 36 possessions against Richmond a couple of weeks ago and he's playing mid and resting up front to allow Ablett, Danger and Selwood midfield time. I literally would swap what ever player that asked for for him....maybe even Gresham if he was keen to stay in Vic.

The reason he plays so well is because the opposition focus more in those stars you just mention. For all the disposals they get, that midfield of Dangerfield, Ablett, Selwood, Kelly, Duncan & Guthrie are looking down the barrel of missing the finals

Put Kelly in a mediocre midfield & he’d be another deadset GOP

 

[gringo2011]

70s Sainter: it’s Tom Hickey

Gringo:
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I like Hickey, he's a good bloke but I'm not crying if he goes.

Billings, Steele, Ross, Membrey, Webster, Carlisle, Gresham, Acres, Robbo, Stuv are in my cry list.

Well-up but not remember 3 weeks after they were gone would be Dunny, Savage, Bruce, Armo, Clarke, Coffield, Long, Battle, lonie, Rice, White.

Shocked but not devastated would be Hickey, Goddard, Mc cartin, Phillips, Mc Kenzie, Clavarino, Austin, Paton.

All ready processed and moved on are Mav, Minch, Wright, Longer.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Why would you give Acres and Paddy. Acres is probably overs to me but if both players wanted home you'd do it. Cerra's a promising high pick but Acres is ready to go and a much more definite output. Paddy is better off developing at Sandy that just tossing him out as steak knives.

At the same stage of their careers id think Cerra would be miles in front , i really like Blake but just wonder if he is going to be a tease and never really get the best out of himself