Prediction 2018 trade hypothetical thread

[Joao]

I meant to say a 3rd rounder, and I don't see it as unfair. Most of our best picks, mainly Curnow and Cripps, have been in that medium first round stage. It's more about making our team thicker with talent, not giving it one superstar. Sure, top teams with near complete list want the best available, because they will make the best impact for the team, but for Carlton, we have a few ageing players who will need replacing soon, as well as plenty of spots on game day given to B-class mature-aged players. This trade is all about team needs, and if we need to develop our team with more top youth, rather than sticking one good player, who won't come good in the senior footy for at least half a season, then we should do it.

Still way unders for you guys IMO. Especially dealing with the Crows with outstanding SA talent this year. You guys have supreme leverage in this deal.

1 and 37 for 8, 12 and 19 is closer to the mark IMO.

 

[the rooboy]

Sorry, I meant Ben Silvagni, probably should've made that clearer.

And what I'm saying is that we are a destination club for younger players. We are a B-class magnet, and we could real in a few stars with a "rebuild" speech, we were front-runners last year, for Kelly, until North made their million dollar offer

That’s not true at all you entered after north had made a offer to him he never wanted Carlton.


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[Tyruddanaut]

Still way unders for you guys IMO. Especially dealing with the Crows with outstanding SA talent this year. You guys have supreme leverage in this deal.

1 and 37 for 8, 12 and 19 is closer to the mark IMO.

We don't have 37 to give, they do.
1 and 27 for 8, 12, 19 and 37?

 

[Xhoquelin]

Assuming the Eagles match an RFA offer to Gaff;

Eagles trade: Andrew Gaff
Eagles receive: Tim Kelly, Dom Tyson

Demons trade: Jeff Garlett, 2018 second round pick, Dom Tyson
Demons receive: Andrew Gaff

Cats trade: Tim Kelly
Cats receive: Jeff Garlett, 2018 second round pick(Demons)

It looks like severe unders for the Eagles but getting Kelly and Tyson is comparable to Danger netting Adelaide pick 9 + 2 third round picks really. Eagles get two players who slot into their best 22(if Tyson doesn’t it means Sheed takes a big step which can only be good).

Think it’s a good deal for the Cats, basically get back their investment on Kelly + get a small forward who applies pressure and has great goal sense which would be an upgrade on Parfitt there.

It’s a bit of a fleece if the Dees pull it off , but we can’t trade a future first and really all we could add is give the eagles and Cats our picks with actual points values(ie third/fourth rounders) and take back their fifth rounders. For what it’s worth I think Jeffy is still easily best 18 at the Dees and is worth a second rounder himself.

 

[THE_GUN]

Assuming the Eagles match an RFA offer to Gaff;

Eagles trade: Andrew Gaff
Eagles receive: Tim Kelly, Dom Tyson

Demons trade: Jeff Garlett, 2018 second round pick, Dom Tyson
Demons receive: Andrew Gaff

Cats trade: Tim Kelly
Cats receive: Jeff Garlett, 2018 second round pick(Demons)

It looks like severe unders for the Eagles but getting Kelly and Tyson is comparable to Danger netting Adelaide pick 9 + 2 third round picks really. Eagles get two players who slot into their best 22(if Tyson doesn’t it means Sheed takes a big step which can only be good).

Think it’s a good deal for the Cats, basically get back their investment on Kelly + get a small forward who applies pressure and has great goal sense which would be an upgrade on Parfitt there.

It’s a bit of a fleece if the Dees pull it off , but we can’t trade a future first and really all we could add is give the eagles and Cats our picks with actual points values(ie third/fourth rounders) and take back their fifth rounders. For what it’s worth I think Jeffy is still easily best 18 at the Dees and is worth a second rounder himself.

So Melbourne lose Garlett & Tyson (both wouldnt get a game for WC)for Gaff
Both players are not best 22 in a team thats 7th and Gaff is top 10 in a team thats 3rd

Cant see 1 WC supporter that could possibly even consider this as a win

 

[Xhoquelin]

In the 2017 NBA draft Boston traded pick 1 for pick 3 and a future first from Philly.

I’d expect Carlton to want a 2019 first and a top 5 pick for pick 1 if we are comparing the deals.

If Freo decide Lukosius is who they want(which would literally be perfect IMO) their pick + their 2019 pick would surely be a much better deal for Carlton than any package Adelaide offers.

Now, if Adelaide again bypass RFA I could see Sloane being used as a major piece in any deal. But as far as I’m concerned pick 8 + Jenkins/McGovern + pick 13 is a fleece for Adelaide to get a 15 year forward for them.

 

[Xhoquelin]

So Melbourne lose Garlett & Tyson (both wouldnt get a game for WC)for Gaff
Both players are not best 22 in a team thats 7th and Gaff is top 10 in a team thats 3rd

Cant see 1 WC supporter that could possibly even consider this as a win

Goody playing favourites doesn’t mean Jeffy, Tyson aren’t quality players.

Kelly is also the main package of the deal For the Eagles. But honestly, if the eagles play hard ball, it’s not like they can get any first round picks out of us; we can’t legally trade any.

I can see them trying to get our 2018 second rounder, Brayshaw and Kent/Garlett in a deal(small forward and 2018 pick goes to Geelong for Kelly) back in a deal for Gaff, but they’d need to throw in another major piece for us to bite at that. We would be inquiring heavily about Sheppard, Barrass, Venables if Brayshaw comes up in any talks.

And let’s be honest. The biggest win for the eagles is keeping Gaff. If he wants out I could see worse than a deal for Kelly and a solid Dees player.

 

[THE_GUN]

Goody playing favourites doesn’t mean Jeffy, Tyson aren’t quality players.

Kelly is also the main package of the deal For the Eagles. But honestly, if the eagles play hard ball, it’s not like they can get any first round picks out of us; we can’t legally trade any.

I can see them trying to get our 2018 second rounder, Brayshaw and Kent/Garlett in a deal(small forward and 2018 pick goes to Geelong for Kelly) back in a deal for Gaff, but they’d need to throw in another major piece for us to bite at that. We would be inquiring heavily about Sheppard, Barrass, Venables if Brayshaw comes up in any talks.

And let’s be honest. The biggest win for the eagles is keeping Gaff. If he wants out I could see worse than a deal for Kelly and a solid Dees player.

Then you offer a big enough deal so they cant match or you find them a pick which they are happy with - Simple
Nothing stopping Melbourne from trading out players and picks to find a pick that satisfy's WC - Remember Hawks/GC/O'Meara

 

[Shaz2012]

I think we will take all of our picks into the draft and try our hand with live trades. Unless there is a player involved of course.

We probably do our due diligence and make a reasonable offer for pick 1, say our first 2 picks, but otherwise we move on from Luko and focus on Rankine.

I would guess something like we take 8, 9, 12, 21, 39 into the draft.

1. Luko (Carl)
2. Walsh (Suns)
3. B. King/Smith (Suns)
4. Rankine (Bris)

Live trade: pick 4 for pick 8 & ?

Rankine could end up 3-7 in which case the trade hopefully gets cheaper with each pick that passes. If GC forces a trade for Lynch he might even slip all the way to us.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Think it’s a good deal for the Cats, basically get back their investment on Kelly + get a small forward who applies pressure and has great goal sense which would be an upgrade on Parfitt there.

Sorry to ruin your delusions. Parfitt's a second year player whose had to overcome some bad luck with injury and he's still playing way better than a 28 year old Garlett. Garlett's value is almost zero.

 

[Turbocat]

Assuming the Eagles match an RFA offer to Gaff;

Eagles trade: Andrew Gaff
Eagles receive: Tim Kelly, Dom Tyson

Demons trade: Jeff Garlett, 2018 second round pick, Dom Tyson
Demons receive: Andrew Gaff

Cats trade: Tim Kelly
Cats receive: Jeff Garlett, 2018 second round pick(Demons)

It looks like severe unders for the Eagles but getting Kelly and Tyson is comparable to Danger netting Adelaide pick 9 + 2 third round picks really. Eagles get two players who slot into their best 22(if Tyson doesn’t it means Sheed takes a big step which can only be good).

Think it’s a good deal for the Cats, basically get back their investment on Kelly + get a small forward who applies pressure and has great goal sense which would be an upgrade on Parfitt there.

It’s a bit of a fleece if the Dees pull it off , but we can’t trade a future first and really all we could add is give the eagles and Cats our picks with actual points values(ie third/fourth rounders) and take back their fifth rounders. For what it’s worth I think Jeffy is still easily best 18 at the Dees and is worth a second rounder himself.

I dont think you understand what our coach likes ..and what our strategy has been letting a R2 go.
No thank you

and Why cant Melb trade their Future R1? Nothing to stop them

 

[Flea_29]

I could see Carlton going after GAFF - if WCE match any bid.

I was discussing this with my Eagles mate the other day.

Carlton
- receive GAFF and pick 19 (or 12)
- trade pick 1 and 27

WCE
- receive M. McGovern & pick 27
- lose Gaff

Adel
- receive pick 1 (Lukosius)
- Lose McGovern + pick 19 (or 12)

 

[PAFC_1870]

Adel
- receive pick 1 (Lukosius)
- Lose McGovern + pick 19 (or 12)

LOL

No way in hell would anyone do that trade

We don't all overpay like Brisbane did...

 

[Mego Red]

In the 2017 NBA draft Boston traded pick 1 for pick 3 and a future first from Philly.

I’d expect Carlton to want a 2019 first and a top 5 pick for pick 1 if we are comparing the deals.

If Freo decide Lukosius is who they want(which would literally be perfect IMO) their pick + their 2019 pick would surely be a much better deal for Carlton than any package Adelaide offers.

Now, if Adelaide again bypass RFA I could see Sloane being used as a major piece in any deal. But as far as I’m concerned pick 8 + Jenkins/McGovern + pick 13 is a fleece for Adelaide to get a 15 year forward for them.

McGovern is a 15 year forward. He would be worth a first and a second as a contracted forward.

You have us giving up the equivalent of three firsts and a second. Ridiculous.

8, 13 and Jenkins? Maybe.

 

[Mego Red]

LOL

No way in hell would anyone do that trade

We don't all overpay like Brisbane did...

"We"??

 

[Mego Red]

I could see Carlton going after GAFF - if WCE match any bid.

I was discussing this with my Eagles mate the other day.

Carlton
- receive GAFF and pick 19 (or 12)
- trade pick 1 and 27

WCE
- receive M. McGovern & pick 27
- lose Gaff

Adel
- receive pick 1 (Lukosius)
- Lose McGovern + pick 19 (or 12)

Assuming they match for Gaff, it's not a bad result for everyone.

 

[Shaz2012]

LOL

No way in hell would anyone do that trade

We don't all overpay like Brisbane did...

Just like there would be no way in hell that Freo would offer him $4m over 5 years. Mitch is in his first year of a new contract where he is one of our highest paid players. We rate him highly even if you don’t. Put yourself in our position where someone is trying to get a 24 year old that is one of your highest paid paid players with 2 years left on his contract from you. Forget your own personal rating of the player and think what would your club be willing to accept. That is the situation with Mitch.

If we are the only ones that rate him highly, he doesn’t move. Simple. Even a three way deal that costs us Mitch and pick 19 would hurt. If he really wants out (doubtful) that’s about the deal that would get it done.

 

[Mego Red]

I think we will take all of our picks into the draft and try our hand with live trades. Unless there is a player involved of course.

We probably do our due diligence and make a reasonable offer for pick 1, say our first 2 picks, but otherwise we move on from Luko and focus on Rankine.

I would guess something like we take 8, 9, 12, 21, 39 into the draft.

1. Luko (Carl)
2. Walsh (Suns)
3. B. King/Smith (Suns)
4. Rankine (Bris)

Live trade: pick 4 for pick 8 & ?

Rankine could end up 3-7 in which case the trade hopefully gets cheaper with each pick that passes. If GC forces a trade for Lynch he might even slip all the way to us.

I think, if this is the case, Brisbane and GCS trade to swap picks around.

1. Luko (Carl)
2. Walsh (Bris)
3. B. King (Suns)
4. M. King (Suns)

The Crows probably look to trade to get to pick 5. 8 and 12 would certainly do that, perhaps with something coming back.

 

[Shaz2012]

I think, if this is the case, Brisbane and GCS trade to swap picks around.

1. Luko (Carl)
2. Walsh (Bris)
3. B. King (Suns)
4. M. King (Suns)

The Crows probably look to trade to get to pick 5. 8 and 12 would certainly do that, perhaps with something coming back.

Like I said, my guess is that we will make an offer like that during live trading, not before. Mick Ablett even made a minor comment during the final that Izak doesn’t have the same good character (IIRC) as Luko. This character issue has seen good players slip a long way. Hamish is always talking up the character and “good family” of his recruits. He better not ****ing overlook Izak though.

I would say that the only thing I have heard about Rankine that is questionable is that he publicly talked about wanting to get to the crows. That is a problem I think, we don’t want that from draftees. But at the end of the day it’s a good thing for us. He has corrected that now too. A problem that finally works for us. But if there is something behind Ablett’s commentary that we are not aware of, Izak may get all the way through to us. Not sure Ablett should be making those comments on nationally televised commentary to be honest. It wasnt much, but still why? To be fair, he was answering a question. Good info to know, but these are 17/18 year olds.

 

[PAFC_1870]

We rate him highly even if you don’t.

I'm on record for rating him as high as anyone.

But given your current season, his recent injuries and his inconsistent form, his value would have plummeted this season (like your whole squad). That's not even taking into account the draft quality this year compared to last year. When you are up the top and winning, your players are worth more, simple. Last year his (and Rory's) currency was much higher.

He is not going to get you pick 1.

 

[Shaz2012]

But given your current season, his recent injuries and his inconsistent form, his value would have plummeted this season (like your whole squad).

By that definition our entire best 22 should be a write off. This season is a wash. A wasted year that we will never get back. But the damage that Brett Burton has inflicted has affected the fitness and form of everyone on our list. Not a single player has come out of this looking like a player that got their team to a GF last year.

 

[PAFC_1870]

By that definition our entire best 22 should be a write off. This season is a wash. A wasted year that we will never get back. But the damage that Brett Burton has inflicted has affected the fitness and form of everyone on our list. Not a single player has come out of this looking like a player that got their team to a GF last year.

Ignoring that your post is completely irrelevant and doesn't address anything I said...

Do you seriously believe an injury prone fwd, coming out of a team who has plummeted down the ladder is at his all time high?

Why do you think Port managed to offload players last off-season, but struggled to in years gone past?

But you are also the person who believes you are picking up all 3 SA kids this draft, but hey, fairy land and all.

 

[kane249]

WCE
- receive M. McGovern & pick 27
- lose Gaff

Kennedy, Darling, Waterman, Brander, O.Allen, Vardy, M.Allen

Last thing we need is another tall forward

 

[Mego Red]

Ignoring that your post is completely irrelevant and doesn't address anything I said...

Do you seriously believe an injury prone fwd, coming out of a team who has plummeted down the ladder is at his all time high?

Why do you think Port managed to offload players last off-season, but struggled to in years gone past?

But you are also the person who believes you are picking up all 3 SA kids this draft, but hey, fairy land and all.

Port can probably offload mediocre players most years. Not sure what that has got to do with anything.

McGovern has an impact injury. His value is a first and a second, or we keep him.

You're showing your fanboi bias by assuming clubs focus on form instead of talent. They know what McGovern has the proven ability to do and there's nothing to think he's going to have lost his clear competence because Richie Douglas ran into him.

 

[PAFC_1870]

Port can probably offload mediocre players most years. Not sure what that has got to do with anything.

McGovern has an impact injury. His value is a first and a second, or we keep him.

You're showing your fanboi bias by assuming clubs focus on form instead of talent. They know what McGovern has the proven ability to do and there's nothing to think he's going to have lost his clear competence because Richie Douglas ran into him.

Your showing your bias by suggesting his value is sky high when he's come off an injury plagued year, is seemingly disgruntled and the club as a whole has had a shocker. Still ignoring the draft quality this year, by assuming his value is similar to a Lever in last years draft.

Port couldn't offload players in previous years... but last year managed to offload them all, on the back of a winning team, it's much easier.... just like when GF players attract a premium when traded, Hawthorn and Geelong players are proof of this.

You won't keep him if he wants to go, just like Cameron, especially with the SA Talent available. If he wants out, he's out.