Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion II

[Jimmae]

Kennedy is out of contract, isn't going to get near the midfield, and is probably behind McGovern, Kemp and JSOS for a forward role, while a whole host of players were just acquired to add speed and flair to the forward line, some of them projected to be around his size or bigger, while offering more.

He is a kick-mark player in a completely different era of footy, and a tactical liability when we don't have possession. I don't know what more I can say.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Kennedy is out of contract, isn't going to get near the midfield, and is probably behind McGovern, Kemp and JSOS for a forward role, with a whole host of players were just acquired to add speed and flair to the forward line, some of them projected to be around his size or bigger, while offering more.

He is a kick-mark player in a completely different era of footy, and a tactical liability when we don't have possession. I don't know what more I can say.

Sounds like you're sleeping on Matthew Kennedy. Whatever that means. . ?

 

[JuddgementDay]

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Sounds like you're sleeping on Matthew Kennedy. Whatever that means. . ?

Yep, the snooze button has been pressed.

 

[ray8182]

Was just reading through best 22 thread and had an idea.

Don't think I've seen it suggested elsewhere and I don't know why to be honest.

Newman. Could we turn him into the small forward we need. Great kick for goal. Good tackler. Seems crafty enough. Actually moves alot like Papley.

Newman really going to struggle to get a game in the backline going forward with SPS Willow Plowman etc

One of the few blokes who can kick them outside 50 for us.

The more I think about it the more I like it. Would like to see him trailed there.

Betts is only a bandaid fix for a year or so. If Newman can reinvent himself it would be a massive massive win.

Papley on valium might move like Newman. Newman lacks speed.


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[FRUMPY]

Was just reading through best 22 thread and had an idea.

Don't think I've seen it suggested elsewhere and I don't know why to be honest.

Newman. Could we turn him into the small forward we need. Great kick for goal. Good tackler. Seems crafty enough. Actually moves alot like Papley.

Newman really going to struggle to get a game in the backline going forward with SPS Willow Plowman etc

One of the few blokes who can kick them outside 50 for us.

The more I think about it the more I like it. Would like to see him trailed there.

Betts is only a bandaid fix for a year or so. If Newman can reinvent himself it would be a massive massive win.

 

[iAsbestos]

2021 delistings will be interesting.....

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[Bostonian]

Was just reading through best 22 thread and had an idea.

Don't think I've seen it suggested elsewhere and I don't know why to be honest.

Newman. Could we turn him into the small forward we need. Great kick for goal. Good tackler. Seems crafty enough. Actually moves alot like Papley.

Newman really going to struggle to get a game in the backline going forward with SPS Willow Plowman etc

One of the few blokes who can kick them outside 50 for us.

The more I think about it the more I like it. Would like to see him trailed there.

Betts is only a bandaid fix for a year or so. If Newman can reinvent himself it would be a massive massive win.

Newman is 6ft 1

Hardly fits the small forward mould in size and playing traits.

 

[Red_man2008]

Very helpful for our young midfield. Great to get some AFL experience in the engine room.

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[Benaly28]

It’s been bugging me for weeks but can someone explain the REAL reason why we didn’t pursue Ollie Wines?

 

[Stamos]

It’s been bugging me for weeks but can someone explain the REAL reason why we didn’t pursue Ollie Wines?

Mainly cost

 

[thylacine60]

It’s been bugging me for weeks but can someone explain the REAL reason why we didn’t pursue Ollie Wines?

whilst admittedly a robust, mature offering he nevertheless would come with a label disguising certain shortcomings ie low neck, a mid-palate often missing and acute corkie taint.........stuff like this is what kept him off the table, potentially leaving him as port dregs for the length of his career......did not want.....

 

[Eiffel 65]

It’s been bugging me for weeks but can someone explain the REAL reason why we didn’t pursue Ollie Wines?

The club was actively trying to target quick players with decent foot skills.

Wines doesn't fit the profile of what we need to implement Teague's game plan. If anything, he would probably stifle our ball movement.

If the cost was going to be 2 x first round selections, one could only think that those picks could be better used to target players of need such as small forwards.

The other reason being we may have rated a couple of draftees that were potentially available at our selection as better prospects than Wines.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

whilst admittedly a robust, mature offering he nevertheless would come with a label disguising certain shortcomings ie low neck, a mid-palate often missing and acute corkie taint.........stuff like this is what kept him off the table, potentially leaving him as port dregs for the length of his career......did not want.....

 

[Eiffel 65]

2020 draft prospects training with CFC:

Henry Walsh, Noah Gribble and Nikolas Cox

Which 2020 draft prospects are training at your club?

Adelaide father-son prospect Luke Edwards headlines a group of 56 potential 2020 draftees training across the 18 clubs

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[Pafloyul]

It’s been bugging me for weeks but can someone explain the REAL reason why we didn’t pursue Ollie Wines?

Because we knew we were going to draft Brodie Kemp. They thought having two ex Echuca players on the list would be overkill. (I've got nothing)

 

[KohPhi]

Next year may be the first year we may be looking at trading out some youth.
It was never going to come about in recent years, but looks possible now, as we'll have a pretty good idea as to what our best 30 may look like.

Don't think so.

I'm confident that Teague and Agresta will want to keep our core group of young players together.

It may be out of the Club's hands. Our young talent is getting noticed. Other clubs will start knocking... Managers will start fielding calls.

Would love to keep the list together, but history suggests that we may lose one or two we may not want to.
However, I'd say it may open opportunities to stay at the point end of the draft, which isn't a bad thing.

 

[true blue19]

In the Herald Sun there is a story about 10 player that will effect SOS legacy. Below are those 10 players-

1 Dow
2 Stocker
3 Cunningham
4 Setterfield
5 Marchbank
6 Kennedy
7 SPS
8 O'Brien
9 Williamson
10 De Koning

For me
Dow at the start of the year he looked exciting with his explosive speed out off the midfield but obviously needs to work on his kicking when on the run. His skills aren't to bad but I feel he lost confidents and didn't get it back. If played as midfielder I'm 100% sure he'll be a star, if played as a small forward he'll just be an average player.

Stocker I'm super excited about him. IMO he has more upside than any player on our list. Need to work on his endurance, he's an inside mid with toughness and skill. I'm 100% sure he'll be a beast in the midfield.

Cunningham speed, skill and a good kick for goal, just needs to get his body right and have a good run at it. Best 22 when fit as a high HFF. I'm 50/50 if he'll make it.

Setterfield looked better on the wing under Teague. His game against Adelaide in round 19 needs to be his benchmark. The thought of Setterfield and Walsh on the wings for the next 10 years is very exciting. 100% a win.

Marchbank the same as Cunningham, injury is the big question mark here and also how we set up under Teague. If we play a short back 6 to add more run, does Marchbank fit in with Jones, Weitering, Casboult and Plowman (4th in the B&F). By the end of 2020 he'll either best 22 or trade bait.

Kennedy the million dollar question is forward or inside mid. His best games has been as a forward but will he get a game ahead of or with McGovern, Curnow and JSOS. With preseason injuries to Curnow and McKay, Kennedy may get an opportunity early in the season. If he's not in the round 1 team then he'll be a miss for SOS.

SPS has to play as a HBF, his skill, class and run is something we have been missing since Yarran and Tuohy was traded. 100% star already.

O'Brien showed in the 2nd half of the year he can play and use has pace and skill. But how many wingman can we fit in one team. Could he play as a half back? Really unsure if he'll make it.

Williamson after being injured for the last 2 years. Can he get his body right? Look a star in 2017 lets hope he can get back to that.

De Koning I'll like to see him play a lot more footy this year. Let Kreuzer play ruck and Pittonet back up when Kreuzer is injured. Play De Koning up forward and pinch hit in the ruck. Developing star.

SOS legacy will come down to 3 player Stoker, Kemp and Philp and if they play in our next premiership.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Hopefully both. He’d be an absolute asset on and off the field for the NBs.

Really wish he made it with us.

Same here..loved his mongrel..

 

[Eiffel 65]

It may be out of the Club's hands. Our young talent is getting noticed. Other clubs will start knocking... Managers will start fielding calls.

Would love to keep the list together, but history suggests that we may lose one or two we may not want to.
However, I'd say it may open opportunities to stay at the point end of the draft, which isn't a bad thing.

If that happens, it means the culture at the club is extremely poor.

I'm confident we won't lose any player we want to retain.

SOS has built a foundation of more than players. He established a strong culture that goes beyond just being part of a club.

The guys we've drafted want to play with each other, for each other and be a part of something great.

It doesn't appear that we've got any salary cap issues, so we should be able to accommodate our players financially as they improve.

 

[HARKER]

In the Herald Sun there is a story about 10 player that will effect SOS legacy. Below are those 10 players-

1 Dow
2 Stocker
3 Cunningham
4 Setterfield
5 Marchbank
6 Kennedy
7 SPS
8 O'Brien
9 Williamson
10 De Koning

I don't think that the players themselves should represent the work that Silvagni has done - It's the deal making that stood out to me

1. Effectively turned Henderson into McKay
2. Made sure we didn't miss on CCurnow, but trading higher to get him and taking McKay out of Adelaides grasp.
3. We narrowly missed on Hopper but took Kennedy thereafter.
4. Turned Tuohy into Marchbank...even though some thought this wasn't his best deal at the time.
5. Did that well-publicized trade with Adelaide last year that effectively netted us three first rounders.
6. Didn't buckle for Shiel but still almost got him for a future first rounder, whilst forcing Essendon to hand over two first rounders.
7. Usurped Hawthorn for Coniglios signature, but something weird happened...AFL
8. Got Martin for...zero trade value.
9. Turned the pick #9 into two later picks and still got the player we would have taken at #9 and got ourselves another first rounder.

Let's argue about some of them and even if we throw in the Papley miss, this is what Silvagni did best.
He made things happen and when they didn't happen it wasn't for him not being bold.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Turned Yarran into Cuningham

 

[Stamos]

I don't think that the players themselves should represent the work that Silvagni has done - It's the deal making that stood out to me

1. Effectively turned Henderson into McKay
2. Made sure we didn't miss on CCurnow, but trading higher to get him and taking McKay out of Adelaides grasp.
3. We narrowly missed on Hopper but took Kennedy thereafter.
4. Turned Tuohy into Marchbank...even though some thought this wasn't his best deal at the time.
5. Did that well-publicized trade with Adelaide last year that effectively netted us three first rounders.
6. Didn't buckle for Shiel but still almost got him for a future first rounder, whilst forcing Essendon to hand over two first rounders.
7. Usurped Hawthorn for Coniglios signature, but something weird happened...AFL
8. Got Martin for...zero trade value.
9. Turned the pick #9 into two later picks and still got the player we would have taken at #9 and got ourselves another first rounder.

Let's argue about some of them and even if we throw in the Papley miss, this is what Silvagni did best.
He made things happen and when they didn't happen it wasn't for him not being bold.

There's also turning Menzel into Plowman and 4 valuable cannon fodder

 

[Stamos]

And held Gibbs for an extra, fantastic year then made Adelaide pay through the nose.

 

[Manhattanite]

And held Gibbs for an extra, fantastic year then made Adelaide pay through the nose.

And holding Gibbs for an extra year meant that we postponed bottoming out by a year which meant we got Walsh instead of say Rayner.


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[Dominator68]

Newman is 6ft 1

Hardly fits the small forward mould in size and playing traits.

He does nowadays