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as posted by pulpdriver history suggests that only approximately 4 of Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, Kelly, Neale (plus Treloar and Coniglio - who seem 'less' certain) will be top 10 by the end of 2019.

That's insane. I have no clue which 2 are the most likely - and I think Treloar and Coniglio are both good enough to finish there as well so that's 4 of them that will drop.

Macrae reverts back? Even though since 2017 bye round he has averaged 120.9 (31 games)...it's not just 2018 that he has to his name.
Fyfe has finished 6th (2018), 12th (2017), 1st (2015), 4th (2014) for midfielder averages - gun record.
Neale has finished 8th, 11th, 6th - maybe he drops around to that 11-12th mark again?
Kelly has averaged 114.1 from his last 36 games (2 seasons). Again, a Macrae like extended run of form.
Oliver built on a 111 from 2017 with 113 in 2018. Does a shoulder pre-season surgery and a stacked midfield give him just those couple less possessions/involvements per game (while Harmes, Viney, Brayshaw get 1 or 2 extra each) to bring him back to 106-108?
Cripps went super premo mode with 119 in 2018. 46 100s in 78 games from 2015 to 2018, with 6 under 100 in 2018 - is he one that goes down? Watching him in 2018, I can't see how - especially as his biggest weakness, kicking, markedly improved in the back half of the year (a lot less 'up and under' and more of flat stab, accurate kicks). Don't have kick efficiency stats but in terms of raw disposal efficiency - 3/9 over 70% in the first half of the year, 7/11 in the back half.

So - any guesses?
 
SterlingArcher said:
as posted by pulpdriver history suggests that only approximately 4 of Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, Kelly, Neale (plus Treloar and Coniglio - who seem 'less' certain) will be top 10 by the end of 2019.

That's insane. I have no clue which 2 are the most likely - and I think Treloar and Coniglio are both good enough to finish there as well so that's 4 of them that will drop.

Macrae reverts back? Even though since 2017 bye round he has averaged 120.9 (31 games)...it's not just 2018 that he has to his name.
Fyfe has finished 6th (2018), 12th (2017), 1st (2015), 4th (2014) for midfielder averages - gun record.
Neale has finished 8th, 11th, 6th - maybe he drops around to that 11-12th mark again?
Kelly has averaged 114.1 from his last 36 games (2 seasons). Again, a Macrae like extended run of form.
Oliver built on a 111 from 2017 with 113 in 2018. Does a shoulder pre-season surgery and a stacked midfield give him just those couple less possessions/involvements per game (while Harmes, Viney, Brayshaw get 1 or 2 extra each) to bring him back to 106-108?
Cripps went super premo mode with 119 in 2018. 46 100s in 78 games from 2015 to 2018, with 6 under 100 in 2018 - is he one that goes down? Watching him in 2018, I can't see how - especially as his biggest weakness, kicking, markedly improved in the back half of the year (a lot less 'up and under' and more of flat stab, accurate kicks). Don't have kick efficiency stats but in terms of raw disposal efficiency - 3/9 over 70% in the first half of the year, 7/11 in the back half.

So - any guesses?
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Id back in all those other guys over treloar and cogs. Oliver may fall depending on his shoulders but we really dont the extent of the injury. Kelly could drop if tagged everyweek but otherwise will outdscore them. Likewise Neale.
 
vast said:
Id back in all those other guys over treloar and cogs. Oliver may fall depending on his shoulders but we really dont the extent of the injury. Kelly could drop if tagged everyweek but otherwise will outdscore them. Likewise Neale.
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Oliver has Braysgaw and Viney to deal with plus Pruess rucking to him
 
SterlingArcher said:
as posted by pulpdriver history suggests that only approximately 4 of Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, Kelly, Neale (plus Treloar and Coniglio - who seem 'less' certain) will be top 10 by the end of 2019.

That's insane. I have no clue which 2 are the most likely - and I think Treloar and Coniglio are both good enough to finish there as well so that's 4 of them that will drop.

Macrae reverts back? Even though since 2017 bye round he has averaged 120.9 (31 games)...it's not just 2018 that he has to his name.
Fyfe has finished 6th (2018), 12th (2017), 1st (2015), 4th (2014) for midfielder averages - gun record.
Neale has finished 8th, 11th, 6th - maybe he drops around to that 11-12th mark again?
Kelly has averaged 114.1 from his last 36 games (2 seasons). Again, a Macrae like extended run of form.
Oliver built on a 111 from 2017 with 113 in 2018. Does a shoulder pre-season surgery and a stacked midfield give him just those couple less possessions/involvements per game (while Harmes, Viney, Brayshaw get 1 or 2 extra each) to bring him back to 106-108?
Cripps went super premo mode with 119 in 2018. 46 100s in 78 games from 2015 to 2018, with 6 under 100 in 2018 - is he one that goes down? Watching him in 2018, I can't see how - especially as his biggest weakness, kicking, markedly improved in the back half of the year (a lot less 'up and under' and more of flat stab, accurate kicks). Don't have kick efficiency stats but in terms of raw disposal efficiency - 3/9 over 70% in the first half of the year, 7/11 in the back half.

So - any guesses?
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Player improvement from players underneath, dusty, crouch, redden, steele, and maybe a couple of unknown breakouts
 
Here2tellyouwhy said:
Oliver has Braysgaw and Viney to deal with plus Pruess rucking to him
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Brayshaw is more of a receiver. If his shoulders are fine the pig will out feast them all.
 
vast said:
Id back in all those other guys over treloar and cogs. Oliver may fall depending on his shoulders but we really dont the extent of the injury. Kelly could drop if tagged everyweek but otherwise will outdscore them. Likewise Neale.
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Yeah I agree but assuming that those 2 drop out, it still leaves 2 of the other 6.
 
SterlingArcher said:
Yeah I agree but assuming that those 2 drop out, it still leaves 2 of the other 6.
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Maybe this year it wont change.or maybe all of them will.. Who knows really
But im backing Dusty to get back up there at the least.
 
SterlingArcher said:
as posted by pulpdriver history suggests that only approximately 4 of Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, Kelly, Neale (plus Treloar and Coniglio - who seem 'less' certain) will be top 10 by the end of 2019.

That's insane. I have no clue which 2 are the most likely - and I think Treloar and Coniglio are both good enough to finish there as well so that's 4 of them that will drop.

Macrae reverts back? Even though since 2017 bye round he has averaged 120.9 (31 games)...it's not just 2018 that he has to his name.
Fyfe has finished 6th (2018), 12th (2017), 1st (2015), 4th (2014) for midfielder averages - gun record.
Neale has finished 8th, 11th, 6th - maybe he drops around to that 11-12th mark again?
Kelly has averaged 114.1 from his last 36 games (2 seasons). Again, a Macrae like extended run of form.
Oliver built on a 111 from 2017 with 113 in 2018. Does a shoulder pre-season surgery and a stacked midfield give him just those couple less possessions/involvements per game (while Harmes, Viney, Brayshaw get 1 or 2 extra each) to bring him back to 106-108?
Cripps went super premo mode with 119 in 2018. 46 100s in 78 games from 2015 to 2018, with 6 under 100 in 2018 - is he one that goes down? Watching him in 2018, I can't see how - especially as his biggest weakness, kicking, markedly improved in the back half of the year (a lot less 'up and under' and more of flat stab, accurate kicks). Don't have kick efficiency stats but in terms of raw disposal efficiency - 3/9 over 70% in the first half of the year, 7/11 in the back half.

So - any guesses?
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I subscribe to youth. So my guess is Fyfe (done being a premo) and Neale (although 105 on a new team would still be alright).
 

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Marlowe said:
I subscribe to youth. So my guess is Fyfe (done being a premo) and Neale (although 105 on a new team would still be alright).
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LOL at Fyfe done being a premo. He is still in his prime, and only has to stay on the park to rival Danger and Dusty as the best midfielder in the AFL.
 
pulpdriver said:
Was bored so thought I'd look at the top ten midfielders from the last six years. Some interesting things:
- Midfielders from the previous year's top ten end up back in the top 10 only 46% of the time. Statistically it's pretty likely that only 3 - 5 players from the top last year will be in this year's top 10
- Dangerfield and Neale are the only midfielders to have featured in the top 10 mids by average the last three years running
- Of the top 10 mids 22% averaged less than 100 the previous year, 33% averaged between 100 - 110 and 45% averaged over 110 the previous year.
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I have a spreadsheet I did last year looking at that exact stat.

Also had a list of all the players who went 100+ each year (across all lines) and seeing where they were the year before, how many managed to remain at that level etc.

It's pretty interesting how many chop and change, but so hard to predict who steps up.

I think a year or 2 ago all the stat showed that Wines, Viney and MCrouch should have gone into the 110 range.
However only 1 did (not the guy I chose that year).
 
nameless said:
I have a spreadsheet I did last year looking at that exact stat.

Also had a list of all the players who went 100+ each year (across all lines) and seeing where they were the year before, how many managed to remain at that level etc.

It's pretty interesting how many chop and change, but so hard to predict who steps up.

I think a year or 2 ago all the stat showed that Wines, Viney and MCrouch should have gone into the 110 range.
However only 1 did (not the guy I chose that year).
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Some will step up no doubt, but also some will bounce back

Gut feel that a number of SP's still in their prime who averaged 110+ in 2016/2017 will bounce back to SP scoring after being down for a year or 2. Which ones though?

Dusty
Sloane
MCrouch
Zorko
Merrett
Parker
Bont
Treloar
 
Andrew Birch said:
Some will step up no doubt, but also some will bounce back

Gut feel that a number of SP's still in their prime who averaged 110+ in 2016/2017 will bounce back to SP scoring after being down for a year or 2. Which ones though?

Dusty
Sloane
MCrouch
Zorko
Merrett
Parker
Bont
Treloar
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I’ve flirted with the idea of Sloane as I think Adelaide will have a remarkably improved season and think he will thrive with the captaincy. My only worry is his inability to break a tag. He scores very well on home soil and 5 of his first 8 are at home so it’s real tempting. Someone stop me and talk me out of this pls :$
 
NE14ABJ said:
I’ve flirted with the idea of Sloane as I think Adelaide will have a remarkably improved season and think he will thrive with the captaincy. My only worry is his inability to break a tag. He scores very well on home soil and 5 of his first 8 are at home so it’s real tempting. Someone stop me and talk me out of this pls :$
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Hewett and Jacobs rounds 2+4. If he can break those tags make him first upgrade. Can't start with him imo. Agree that Crows will bounce back though.
 

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NE14ABJ said:
I’ve flirted with the idea of Sloane as I think Adelaide will have a remarkably improved season and think he will thrive with the captaincy. My only worry is his inability to break a tag. He scores very well on home soil and 5 of his first 8 are at home so it’s real tempting. Someone stop me and talk me out of this pls :$
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If I wasn't set on starting with MCrouch this year I'd be running with Sloane instead. 50/50 call still. Sloane - high ceiling/low floor vs MCrouch - consistency

Sloane: First 10 Rds of 2017 = 124 average
124.JPG
MCrouch: Last 10 rounds of 2017 = 125 average
mcrouch.JPG

:think:
 
Andrew Birch said:
Some will step up no doubt, but also some will bounce back

Gut feel that a number of SP's still in their prime who averaged 110+ in 2016/2017 will bounce back to SP scoring after being down for a year or 2. Which ones though?

Dusty
Sloane
MCrouch
Zorko
Merrett
Parker
Bont
Treloar
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It’s a sound strategy Andrew & shouldn’t be dismissed ..... what about your Rucks, same approach ???
 
WaynesWorld19 said:
It’s a sound strategy Andrew & shouldn’t be dismissed ..... what about your Rucks, same approach ???
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I feel that Goldy and Kreuz can also bounce back, but not to their peak years since they're both 30+ now. Assuming that they're both fit for Rd1 and sole rucks for their teams I reckon Goldy could push 110 again and Kreuz around 100ish
 
NE14ABJ said:
Now i’m considering MCrouch ffs

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I have considered starting both MCrouch and Sloane, but I'm bullish about starting with Gus Brayshaw this year and there's only so many spots. It could still be a winning move starting both Adel guys. Can't see them both scoring poorly in the same game very often.
 
NE14ABJ said:
I’ve flirted with the idea of Sloane as I think Adelaide will have a remarkably improved season and think he will thrive with the captaincy. My only worry is his inability to break a tag. He scores very well on home soil and 5 of his first 8 are at home so it’s real tempting. Someone stop me and talk me out of this pls :$
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Sorry cant do

He's my M4
 

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