List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[gringo2011]

Ceilinged is a perfectly kromulant word.

Or crapulent in my case.

 

[Cantteachthat]

So where is goldy playing. I don’t get this back up thing. He isn’t coming to us to back up. How can the saints sell that. If we stupidly got him he is our ruck. Simple

Why couldn't he come as a back up? If North want to move on from him and he doesn't have a list spot there, how many clubs have a spot for him as number 1 ruck, and how many would even be in the market and want him as a back up? No disrespect to Goldy, he's playing reasonable footy, but not too many clubs would be looking to move on from their current No 1 ruck for a 31 year old.
Thats not to say there isn't someone, but we'd be stupid not to watch the situation in case only 1 or 2 clubs show interest and we can add him to the list for 2 years as a back up to Marshall. Yes he's 31, but for a couple of years he'd help bridge the gap util we find another backup because I imagine we're bout ready to move on from Billy and Lew.

 

[plugger66]

Why couldn't he come as a back up? If North want to move on from him and he doesn't have a list spot there, how many clubs have a spot for him as number 1 ruck, and how many would even be in the market and want him as a back up? No disrespect to Goldy, he's playing reasonable footy, but not too many clubs would be looking to move on from their current No 1 ruck for a 31 year old.
Thats not to say there isn't someone, but we'd be stupid not to watch the situation in case only 1 or 2 clubs show interest and we can add him to the list for 2 years as a back up to Marshall. Yes he's 31, but for a couple of years he'd help bridge the gap util we find another backup because I imagine we're bout ready to move on from Billy and Lew.

500k to play at sandy just in case we get an injury. That’s no good for us or him. There are clubs who need a first ruck. I don’t think we are one of them.

 

[Cantteachthat]

500k to play at sandy just in case we get an injury. That’s no good for us or him. There are clubs who need a first ruck. I don’t think we are one of them.

who's paying him $500k? Who needs a 31 year old first ruck?

 

[plugger66]

who's paying him $500k? Who needs a 31 year old first ruck?

That’s a figure I would think is reasonable. North for a start. That’s another reason I don’t get it. We certainly dont need a first ruck

 

[hangdog]

Why couldn't he come as a back up? If North want to move on from him and he doesn't have a list spot there, how many clubs have a spot for him as number 1 ruck, and how many would even be in the market and want him as a back up? No disrespect to Goldy, he's playing reasonable footy, but not too many clubs would be looking to move on from their current No 1 ruck for a 31 year old.
Thats not to say there isn't someone, but we'd be stupid not to watch the situation in case only 1 or 2 clubs show interest and we can add him to the list for 2 years as a back up to Marshall. Yes he's 31, but for a couple of years he'd help bridge the gap util we find another backup because I imagine we're bout ready to move on from Billy and Lew.

North won't want to lose him without a decent replacement. He won't want to leave to play second fiddle, he knows North need him.

 

[Mikka84]

Probably gettable to be honest. On current output probably worth pick 35, on potential pick 15, so somewhere in between that (pick 25) & I wouldn’t be surprised if the club let him go. I’d prefer to keep him.

Personally think he’ll be part of a trade to get another player over here. First round +
Acres = x

 

[Cantteachthat]

North won't want to lose him without a decent replacement. He won't want to leave to play second fiddle, he knows North need him.

But isn't that were the story originated, North were contemplating their list and whether they want to move in a different direction? Now I'm sure they'd like someone to pay him what he's worth to get decent compo, but I'm just not sure of his market as a 31 year old ruckman. Maybe they do decide to keep him, which is probably the most likely situation, but I don't see the harm in us 'watching the situation' which is what was reported.
If they do move on from him, we should at least find out what his market is.
I'm not for getting him and making him number 1 ruck, thats Marshall's spot for a long time I hope, but as I said, if Goldy doesn't have much of a market we'd be mad to not try and add him to the list to replace Billy and Lew.

 

[Mikka84]

We’d want to sign Carlisle and Billings relatively soon.. otherwise the speculation will soon turn into panic.

 

[hangdog]

Personally think he’ll be part of a trade to get another player over here. First round +
Acres = x

Hopefully Langdon + their first round

 

[mightymalaka]

Personally think he’ll be part of a trade to get another player over here. First round +
Acres = x

Well HELLO Mikka!!

Being overseas has really improved you man!
All those Group 1's clearly pay for a super face lift! Eye approve!
Don't even know what trade your talking about, or do i care!

 

[Hayes4PM]

We’d want to sign Carlisle and Billings relatively soon.. otherwise the speculation will soon turn into panic.

Why wait? I’m panicking right now. Get on the front foot my dude.

 

[tomjoad]

The team, as it stands at the moment, has these guys who have either significant improvement in them, or have proved their worth after five or more years. Battle, Geary, Membery, Marshall, Webster, Lonie, Parker, Wilkie, Steele, Gresh and to a lesser extent Long. The rest are up for grabs (Note, would love Carlisle to stay...depending on his back. Also, Winx, Bytel, Mayo have time on their side and are off limits for another two to three years. Clark and Coffield get another one to show something) Billings, Newnes, Ross, Acres, Dunstan, Bruce...thanks for the fish guys, but if you can get us something better...then fish is off the menu. Yep, I know that the age demographic gets screwed with these guys going elsewhere, and I know that some of these guys are popular with some supporters, but this is a forum for opinions, and mine are just are just as suspect, uneducated, juvenile, and speculative as anyone else's. But c'mon...I'm sick of being teased about potential that gets a five game a year showing from these blokes. Savage for his part, seems to be doing well, i'm not a big fan in fairness, but credit where it's due, he has taken a bit of a jump this year and gets a reprieve. D-mac for all his faults will probably end up being a Geary type...all heart, a bloke who puts his body on the line time after time, but will annoy us for many a year with his disposal...we need players like that they're lovable, and good for banter. He also gets a reprieve...just. White, Austin (injured I know, but noticeably not rated by the head coach) and Rice (rightly or wrongly) are clearly not held in regard by the selection committee. Longer and Pierce are not particularly useful. Robbo, Steven, and Paddy are unfortunately in limbo...with the potential outcomes looking negative in each case. There are probably others that can be culled at the end of the year, but the one's mentioned above have "potential" to sell to other clubs where they will be probably depth players due to their inconsistency and in some cases lack of effort. All of this though goes out the window if Richo gets canned at the end of the year...one way or the other, there ought to be a re-set.

 

[SufferingS8INT]

Like jack Steven early on. Or paddy who was played at just about every opportunity. We did it with dunstan. Hasn’t really helped him. There is no tight way.

Maybe you’re right. But surely constantly being in and out of the team after a single game is not the right way. Could understand if it were over a 3–5 week block.

 

[St Muir]

I think you are overrating what coaches do. If the problem for the run on is the midfield then it’s the midfield coach to fix. Same with the forward line. That’s rats baby. Richo does the all round coaching but not certain areas. That’s why they break up into areas at breaks these days. They spend more time with their area coach than the main man. Even local clubs do that now. Get out and hear local coaches. The main coach speaks for about 2 minutes. The line coach speaks for about 5.

Surely the head coach makes the decisions on positional changes though? There has to be some over riding decision maker, otherwise you’d end up with inertia, as assistant coaches squabbled about players. Unless that’s the explanation...

 

[triggering bro]

Personally think he’ll be part of a trade to get another player over here. First round +
Acres = x

Which member of the x men are we getting?

 

[mightymalaka]

Which member of the x men are we getting?

If Mikka's female alter ego is involved in the trade
I am more than happy to give Acres and Billings up!

 

[mightymalaka]

Surely the head coach makes the decisions on positional changes though? There has to be some over riding decision maker, otherwise you’d end up with inertia, as assistant coaches squabbled about players. Unless that’s the explanation...

Exactly of course he does! He's the head coach for a reason and that is to make all the big calls right through from positional changes
to the overall game plan....My understanding is the way it happens these days, is yeah all the line coaches feed him all the information possible in their respective areas
and obviously make suggestions, depending on how autocratic the main man is and then he is the one that gathers all that info and makes his decisions
Based off that!

Certainly has changed since my day! Obviously there are pro's and con's for this system but when all your peers do it pretty much the same way
Like many other facets to do with strategy within the AFL it's very much a case of follow the leader!
Safe to say that within our box this season so far there has been more dynamism in the way we have planned and prepared for the opposition
To do with our own game plan, structures and match ups than the team Richo had previously!

But ultimately yeah coaches are not out there getting a kick and there is only so much they can do, but in my belief their players and teams
Traditionally are a direct reflection on what the plan is that has been set up for them! And over time the Coach's impramata is or should be at least
Written all over them that's plain to see, not withstanding the obvious tactical acumen and positional structures and changes that can have a huge bearing
On outcomes! I believe now more than ever that their importance and impact on results is bigger than it ever has been before
Especially in such an even competition!

 

[plugger66]

Maybe you’re right. But surely constantly being in and out of the team after a single game is not the right way. Could understand if it were over a 3–5 week block.

Geelong have done that with constable lately. See you think a block is good. Many do but after a poor game or two people forget the block and have the players in the gun. I’m not sure there is any proof in a block anyway. Not sure jack was getting a block. You can see from Clark body shape he isn’t really ready for afl footy certainly not the bash and crash of the midfield. We obviously want to play him there and I reckon next year he has a chance of playing many games there.

 

[plugger66]

Surely the head coach makes the decisions on positional changes though? There has to be some over riding decision maker, otherwise you’d end up with inertia, as assistant coaches squabbled about players. Unless that’s the explanation...

Of course he makes the final decision if there are many suggestions but I would be just about certain if it’s a change or two it is done from the line coaches.

 

[OxSaint]

Yeah, pretty confident that if his fitness base gets better he'll make it. I'm less confident in Coffield, he looks like he's coasting.

I agree. Coffield just doesn’t look like he wants it. He is not fond of physical contact and doesn’t work hard enough around the ground to be that outside. Unless there is significant change in these area’s he will be a bust. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is traded.

 

[plugger66]

I agree. Coffield just doesn’t look like he wants it. He is not fond of physical contact and doesn’t work hard enough around the ground to be that outside. Unless there is significant change in these area’s he will be a bust. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is traded.

If he traded now they get pick 30. Of course he stays at the moment. What happens long term well who knows. Agree with you on his faults though.

 

[Mikka84]

Which member of the x men are we getting?

There’s only one I’d go to see and that’s Gambit

 

[triggering bro]

I agree. Coffield just doesn’t look like he wants it. He is not fond of physical contact and doesn’t work hard enough around the ground to be that outside. Unless there is significant change in these area’s he will be a bust. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is traded.

Trade him for Dunkley

 

[bird_man]

I agree. Coffield just doesn’t look like he wants it. He is not fond of physical contact and doesn’t work hard enough around the ground to be that outside. Unless there is significant change in these area’s he will be a bust. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is traded.

He's not getting traded after two years.