List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[VDS66]

Sounds like a near full rebuild to me. I think we have 19 players on the senior list that have been brought in, in the last 3 years. That's more than half a list.

On top of that we should lose, Rowe, Roberton, Longer, Armo, Brown, Paddy and Pierce.

Also in the gun or potential losses Stuv, Rice, Langlands, Austin and White.

Unsigned and starting to worry are Billings, Marshall, Carlisle.

Trade talk, Ross, Acres, Marshall, Billings

Free agent- Newnes

It could be a new side in a few years.

And pretty much all of the above is speculation and opinions on here at this stage.

Club has nulled Jake's trigger clause due to injury as a sign of good faith, so IMO he goes nowhere.

Ross I'd say unlikely unless it was a godfather offer / upgrade.

Acres most likely if the right deal came up

Billings is a tricky one and could go either way. Required player, but it's up to him.

Marshall not going anywhere IMO.

One thing for certain is that even if we change coach, we will soon find out which players are not seen as being "up to it".

Gubby will be clinical in his approach and take any emotion out of the equation.

 

[goodie23]

Pick 8 two years ago & still under contract. He holds some value. Dunkley’s value is higher but not by a great deal IMO. Depends on what the Dogs see in Coffield. Apparently they rated him very high as a junior & would’ve taken him ahead of Naughton if he was available.

Draftees are kind of like cars, as soon as they're off the lot they lose value unless there's something really special about them. Picks are always worth more because of the flexibility and potential

 

[VDS66]

Just depends on what we can get to be honest. I would like to see how he goes under a new coach/system however. But currently, that potential or output hasn’t eventuated. If trading it means we get a gun I’m ok with that.

How is his work ethic on the track?

He obviously gets picked for a reason.

I can understand the not having a set position argument, but as an outsider, is the latest driven to get the best out of himself?

Or is his best just not good enough.

 

[gringo2011]

Draftees are kind of like cars, as soon as they're off the lot they lose value unless there's something really special about them. Picks are always worth more because of the flexibility and potential

It's true to a point, as long as another side believes there is upside to a player they will pay what they have to. If the Dogs think he's not getting games and they can make something out of him, they will give up what they have to. We paid pick 33 for Freeman who was a low percentage chance of making it because of his chronic injuries.

 

[gringo2011]

How is his work ethic on the track?

He obviously gets picked for a reason.

I can understand the not having a set position argument, but as an outsider, is the latest driven to get the best out of himself?

Or is his best just not good enough.

He's obviously good enough, when played in his best position he's really eye catching and has X factor. To me his defensive running isn't as desperate as his forward thrusts and that doesn't go down well with a work ethic coach. I think a coach like Clarko who values points of difference would turn him into a super star.

 

[plugger66]

Sounds like a near full rebuild to me. I think we have 19 players on the senior list that have been brought in, in the last 3 years. That's more than half a list.

On top of that we should lose, Rowe, Roberton, Longer, Armo, Brown, Paddy and Pierce.

Also in the gun or potential losses Stuv, Rice, Langlands, Austin and White.

Unsigned and starting to worry are Billings, Marshall, Carlisle.

Trade talk, Ross, Acres, Marshall, Billings

Free agent- Newnes

It could be a new side in a few years.

Is the date this time last year. The sky is falling down. We were losing many last year if richo was coaching and apparently the same this year with most probably guessing richo isn’t coaching. This on the top of an improved year. My guess is we lose none that we want to keep. Same as last year.

 

[Strahany]

Thought I’d best condense my input regarding the multiple points of discussion going on here:

On trading Marshall:
Makes no sense. People are pushing the idea of trading him for a gun mid, but you have to take into consideration the fact that RoMa is, effectively, another midfielder (relative to almost all other ruckmen) so any equation would need to take this into account. Trading him could actually hurt our midfield more than helping it, unless someone on the Taranto tier is the midfielder we bring in (which isn’t happening).

On Goldstein:
I wouldn’t take it on face value. I suspect there might be some dodgy dealings going on, such that St Kilda have the cap space needed to offer a Tier-1 compensation contract. The deal could involve St Kilda giving Goldy a huge salary, netting North a top 10 pick as compo, which will reduce the cost of acquiring one of their other players via trade. Just spitballing.

On Coffield:
I believe both Footscray and Collingwood were keen on Coff in his draft year. Hasn’t set the world on fire, but is still young enough to lean on his draft position for value. Could be worth exploring.

Billings:
Tricky situation, here. Was holding off signing a contract to get maximum money (supposedly) but has subsequently crapped the bed and playing quite poorly. If they were sensible, Jack and his manager will reel in their salary demands, but I suspect there’s an offer from another club(s) which makes it hard to swallow their pride and accept a “pay cut” down to a reasonable salary based on output (and, even then, output from early rounds this year; not counting the rough patch of form).

 

[plugger66]

He's obviously good enough, when played in his best position he's really eye catching and has X factor. To me his defensive running isn't as desperate as his forward thrusts and that doesn't go down well with a work ethic coach. I think a coach like Clarko who values points of difference would turn him into a super star.

Clarko is probably the most system based coach in the afl. Just look at how the players spoke to wingard when he wasn’t doing the right thing.

 

[Yawkey way]

Sounds like a near full rebuild to me. I think we have 19 players on the senior list that have been brought in, in the last 3 years. That's more than half a list.

On top of that we should lose, Rowe, Roberton, Longer, Armo, Brown, Paddy and Pierce.

Also in the gun or potential losses Stuv, Rice, Langlands, Austin and White.

Unsigned and starting to worry are Billings, Marshall, Carlisle.

Trade talk, Ross, Acres, Marshall, Billings

Free agent- Newnes

It could be a new side in a few years.

Just as long as we don’t go scorched earth and the moves we make are measured and logical not just change for change sake, then I’m ok with it.

 

[BrutThough]

Sounds like a near full rebuild to me. I think we have 19 players on the senior list that have been brought in, in the last 3 years. That's more than half a list.

On top of that we should lose, Rowe, Roberton, Longer, Armo, Brown, Paddy and Pierce.

Also in the gun or potential losses Stuv, Rice, Langlands, Austin and White.

Unsigned and starting to worry are Billings, Marshall, Carlisle.

Trade talk, Ross, Acres, Marshall, Billings

Free agent- Newnes

It could be a new side in a few years.

Roberton and Brown are the only "best 22" from the list ones he could lose, and even then it is just speculation that both will retire (even though unfortunately Robbo's is looking likely)

All the talk about Stuv is speculation right now but no one else from that category would be a loss to the club.

Everything else is just people on here looking for the worst scenario to try and make us a basket case. There is no real worry about all those players leaving.

 

[Hayes4PM]

People have to stop talking about Parish. Hardly done anything at the Dons. Average user, genuine battler. We already have a handful of him.

Seen his last few weeks when he's actually played as an inside mid? Would be an instant upgrade on Sinclair, Acres, Newnes or Phillips running around in our 22 based on current output. Not blaming Acres fo his form entirely, they are using him like he's an elite utility, which he ain't.

 

[Mikka84]

How is his work ethic on the track?

He obviously gets picked for a reason.

I can understand the not having a set position argument, but as an outsider, is the latest driven to get the best out of himself?

Or is his best just not good enough.

Good trainer. Puts in extra sessions ect. Sometimes has the lethargic look, but generally really professional. I still think he ha a lot to give - but right in saying his deficiency so far has been locking down a position.

 

[Mikka84]

Well in that case the club should pull the trigger as soon as we are no chance of finals.

Sorry this wasn’t a chance to open up coach change ect - more I’d like to see how Blake under a new coach, whether that’s at the Saints or not.

 

[hangdog]

Trade talk, Ross, Acres, Marshall, Billings

If we trade Marshall I'll trade St Kilda... Unless it's for Grundy...

 

[Crusty Undies]

Good trainer. Puts in extra sessions ect. Sometimes has the lethargic look, but generally really professional. I still think he ha a lot to give - but right in saying his deficiency so far has been locking down a position.

Is that really his fault though? It's not like he hasn't put his best foot forward in positions he likes. He's had dominant quarters playing through the middle only to get dumped forward again in the same game even because we need his marking ability there.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Seen his last few weeks when he's actually played as an inside mid? Would be an instant upgrade on Sinclair, Acres, Newnes or Phillips running around in our 22 based on current output. Not blaming Acres fo his form entirely, they are using him like he's an elite utility, which he ain't.

You're right we really don't have a dozen players with the ability to win contested ball like Parish has been. We don't have 4.
His stats are inconsistent , probably due to being used for different rolls.
But he had 19 contested possessions against the Tigers. Most players will NEVER get that many, ever.
Also had 9 clearances.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If we trade Marshall I'll trade St Kilda... Unless it's for Grundy...

I don't mind putting up suggestions on this thread, but it gets crazy when everyone runs with one, and now all of a sudden we are acting like Marshall is gone.
Its just some crap someone made up.

 

[Mikka84]

Is that really his fault though? It's not like he hasn't put his best foot forward in positions he likes. He's had dominant quarters playing through the middle only to get dumped forward again in the same game even because we need his marking ability there.

No not at all.. that’s pretty much what I’m trying to say. If he can’t get a lock down position with us this year, I’d like to see him either at a different club where he can hopefully reach his potential or if a new coach were to come to us, just as good.

I think he’s become a victim of our list and gameplan. There hasn’t been faith to play him as the inside mid consistently.

 

[plugger66]

No not at all.. that’s pretty much what I’m trying to say. If he can’t get a lock down position with us this year, I’d like to see him either at a different club where he can hopefully reach his potential or if a new coach were to come to us, just as good.

I think he’s become a victim of our list and gameplan. There hasn’t been faith to play him as the inside mid consistently.

I have no idea why people think he is an inside mid. His best games have been as a winger. He doesn’t have the agility to be a true inside mid. Could pinch hit occasionally Unfortunately we don’t have many mids that can play elsewhere. He can.

 

[jwikked]

It's so weird here... People complain about the Saints inability to draft a player and turn them into a star but as soon as it looks we've found one (Marshall) they're calling for us to trade him.

Unbelievable.

 

[Mikka84]

I have no idea why people think he is an inside mid. His best games have been as a winger. He doesn’t have the agility to be a true inside mid. Could pinch hit occasionally Unfortunately we don’t have many mids that can play elsewhere. He can.

I like him there. Doesn’t have the speed for a winger for me. Bit more work on his upper body and he’d be prototype mid. Whatever his chosen position though - I just want him played there consistently.. hasn’t had a chance

 

[plugger66]

I like him there. Doesn’t have the speed for a winger for me. Bit more work on his upper body and he’d be prototype mid. Whatever his chosen position though - I just want him played there consistently.. hasn’t had a chance

I don’t want to be rude and people say the coach knows nothing but surely if they thought he was a very good inside mid he would be playing there. And it’s not like richo is the only coach. Why isn’t lade or ratten suggesting he play there if it’s so obvious. Same with previous coaches. His stats suggest he isn’t really inside. I know you are going to say that because he doesn’t play there often but I see a guy who seems to lack agility for that position. I’m not sure all wingers have to be fast.

 

[gringo2011]

Clarko is probably the most system based coach in the afl. Just look at how the players spoke to wingard when he wasn’t doing the right thing.

Also makes players play to their strengths not robotises them. I don't think being lazy is the kind of strength he values.

 

[plugger66]

Also makes players play to their strengths not robotises them. I don't think being lazy is the kind of strength he values.

Pretty sure it wouldn’t work with acres then. I know it’s popular thing to say that richo turns players into robots but I reckon it’s a bit of crap. The little players we have with flair still play with flair. The problem is most of our players are meh players so they don’t have the flair to begin with.

 

[gringo2011]

I don’t want to be rude and people say the coach knows nothing but surely if they thought he was a very good inside mid he would be playing there. And it’s not like richo is the only coach. Why isn’t lade or ratten suggesting he play there if it’s so obvious. Same with previous coaches. His stats suggest he isn’t really inside. I know you are going to say that because he doesn’t play there often but I see a guy who seems to lack agility for that position. I’m not sure all wingers have to be fast.

Dimma has the balls to say he misread Brandon Ellis, always concentrating on what he doesn't do well and not on his strengths. I think it's fair to say Richo has always let some players standards be lower than others. He seems to punish Bake but guys like Newnes or Mav could play consistently below par weeks on end with no scrutiny. All coaches have favourites and Richo doesn't seem to have Blake and Whitey on his Christmas card list.