List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[Premium]

What makes you say Acres is on the table this early in the year?

I can't imagine we'd get a lot for him

Guy's like Acres will play out the year and at the end of it if they haven't improved they could well be offered up as bait to grab some one we want - would you trade Acres for a Cerra , Brayshaw or Langdon , pretty sure we would but we would need to give a bit more I think.
However I would not want to lose him for nothing .

 

[The_Snake26]

Anyone still want to argue that Acres, Sincs, Ross and a few others shouldn't be on the table?

We need a couple as back up in the 2s. If we’re serious about moving up the ladder. Cause these guys aren’t going to take us there.
Sinclair and Ross wouldn’t get us the draft picks we need (top 20s) so we hold them as depth.
Acres’ potential can only hold for so long. It’s been 5? years now for about 15 quality games. Trade him if we get something decent in return otherwise he becomes a depth player as well. I’d do a straight swap for Langdon, Tucker or Darcy.

We have to throw a godfather offer to Coniglio. $1.8-$2m a year. He had 36 possies, 3 goals and 8 tackles on the weekend. The only way we get him is $$$

Or we get a new coach who can tap into the potential and bring out the best

 

[Yawkey way]

Anyone still want to argue that Acres, Sincs, Ross and a few others shouldn't be on the table?

No problem with Acres and Ross has value but I’m keeping Sinclair.

I doubt we’d get enough for him to motivate me and under a new coach used properly he is best 22. I’ve been impressed by the way he’s just got on with his changed role and is laying lots of tackles and doing plenty of defensive running. There’s something about Ross that frustrates me, he not really inside, he doesn’t spread that well but he finds lots of cheap ball and doesn’t use it that well. I guess it’s just frustration because I expected more from him than he’s delivered this year.

What happens if they play out on their skins in the back half or conversely their lousy and we’re offered peanuts, who’s on the table then?.

 

[Saintsman33]

That's mostly true , though i'm sure we've seen better from Ross.
I agree that teams would want a player like Dunstan, but then we would need a bigger bodied/clearance bull.
Marshall can't do everything. ........can he. ( Marshall is top 4 in the Saints for contested possessions, and most of our mids will never get as many in a game as he did on the weekend ).

Not really. Steele/Hannebery would take the role you'd assume.

I'm a big advocate of letting Steele play his game and not worry about tagging... although he is extremely good at it.

 

[bird_man]

Guy's like Acres will play out the year and at the end of it if they haven't improved they could well be offered up as bait to grab some one we want - would you trade Acres for a Cerra , Brayshaw or Langdon , pretty sure we would but we would need to give a bit more I think.
However I would not want to lose him for nothing .

Of course we would, but Freo wouldn't he that silly. Well not for the first two anyway.

We might be able to lure Langdon, but we'd probably have to give a bit more than Acres.

 

[OxSaint]

I’m all for offering Ross up for trade. Has some value and would rather keep Dunstan, hanners, Clarke, Steele.

Acres would be the other one but not sure he has any value to make the trade worthwhile.

 

[BrutThough]

In any trade that has an actual likelihood of happening, how does trading Ross improve us as a side? It doesn't.

With all the uncertainty about Steven's future, we can't afford to trade our other proven, quality midfielder for a speculative draft pick that will take years develop and might never become as good at Ross. Trading Ross sets us back 5 years, which is something the club cant afford from an off field financial point and from a player retention point.

How do you think Billings, Steele, Gresham, Battle Membrey etc. would feel if we traded away the guy the players and club looks as at our next captain for an known quantity? Thats not going to encourage them that we are a club serious about playing finals and being successful.

In the mythical scenario where GWS comes to us and offers us Whitfield in a straight swap for Seb, of course we make that deal. But that's never going to happen.

 

[luca77]

Acres has been frustrating for sure, a couple of games at Sandy might fire him up again but we can't be needing to jump-start guys by dropping them a couple of times a year at this stage in their careers. He's roughly peak-age now, so the motor should be running.

Having said that, let's not forget that he wasn't out there in that pathetic performance last weekend. As in, wasn't physically out there as opposed to Newnes, Ross and co who were out there but did sfa. I'd be starting with those guys if I was talking trades. I think we actually really missed Acres trying to take the game on like he did the previous week against Carlton (even though he got caught a couple of times). If Ross hears footsteps he just slams it on the boot. I'm a bit tired of the excuse that he was under pressure (although Port's pressure was pretty good). Good players ride tackles, break tackles, step around tackles - they don't just hack it forward every bloody time. To Acres' credit, that's what he tries to do.

 

[Mat Mann]

Ross is a very good #3 midfielder, that bloke who can get lots of it, CAN be damaging at times, but when he goes at %50 de, your better 2 mids can still run at %70+ de and it doesn't hurt you so much. when Ross and Newnes run below %50 DE which they have numerous time this year, it just kills the side.

Newnes is one who'd I'd consider trade bait, net a pick in the 20's maybe,

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

Anyone still want to argue that Acres, Sincs, Ross and a few others shouldn't be on the table?

They definitely shouldn't be on the table. That's where we eat!

In all seriousness trade Acres as long as the replacement gets put in the mid and not left to be a half forward-half ruck. Can't imagine Langdon would enjoy that role.

Ross would have the most currency as long as other teams look at his stat's and not what he does on the field.

Sincs wouldn't be worth too much I'm afraid.

 

[Gosaints12]

In any trade that has an actual likelihood of happening, how does trading Ross improve us as a side? It doesn't.

With all the uncertainty about Steven's future, we can't afford to trade our other proven, quality midfielder for a speculative draft pick that will take years develop and might never become as good at Ross. Trading Ross sets us back 5 years, which is something the club cant afford from an off field financial point and from a player retention point.

How do you think Billings, Steele, Gresham, Battle Membrey etc. would feel if we traded away the guy the players and club looks as at our next captain for an known quantity? Thats not going to encourage them that we are a club serious about playing finals and being successful.

In the mythical scenario where GWS comes to us and offers us Whitfield in a straight swap for Seb, of course we make that deal. But that's never going to happen.

Whitefield for Ross and early second/ late first


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[luca77]

Whitefield for Ross and early second/ late first


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He's only 24, maybe Ross and our first as it stands (earlyish)? Throw in whatever else they might need?

 

[Captain Paddy]

no....I'm onboard

Acres for Langdon - would do

Isn’t Langdon another HBF?

 

[VDS66]

Gut feel is we won't trade Ross unless it's part of a deal for a gun mid.

Personally thinknhe has been found wanting as captain and without Stuv.

The others? Who knows. But we cannot keep the status quo with our current mids.

You have to bring in quality and push these guys out of the top 22 or off the list entirely.

If we had Stuv, Hanners, Steele and one or two elite additions, we could then afford to get games into Clark and Coff and develop them properly.

The only other alternatives I see is if we have a non mid which we can exch\nge for another mid.

Wouldn't surprise me to see another McEvoy type trade.

 

[VDS66]

Ross is a very good #3 midfielder, that bloke who can get lots of it, CAN be damaging at times, but when he goes at %50 de, your better 2 mids can still run at %70+ de and it doesn't hurt you so much. when Ross and Newnes run below %50 DE which they have numerous time this year, it just kills the side.

Newnes is one who'd I'd consider trade bait, net a pick in the 20's maybe,

Mat you are a breath of fresh today.

 

[bird_man]

Newnes is a FA so if we were to let him go it would be up to the AFL to determine what he gets.

Just having a look at the "formula" I think he's likely get us either a pick after where our second would be (26 at the moment which would go back after other compo picks) or an end of second round pick (a pick in the 40's after other picks are handed out).

Although if we were to land a FA ourselves, we'd end up with no compensation.

 

[Strahany]

He's only 24, maybe Ross and our first as it stands (earlyish)? Throw in whatever else they might need?

With the way Whitfield is playing at the moment, it would be more like a 1st (top 10) + Ross + future 2nd - at a minimum. That’s likely including the discount, assuming he ends up requesting a trade just to St Kilda

 

[bird_man]

Isn’t Langdon another HBF?

Wingman

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Acres is on the table.
Sinclair just signed an extension which suggests he is in our future plans unless an offer for extreme overs comes at us.
And Ross still won't be, and shouldn't be, on the trade table.

On the table means we will sell them if the price is right.
So to me they are all on the table.
For King, I'd want Patrick Cripps ,a few other good prospects, and a low first round draft pick. Others i'd be willing to go cheaper.

 

[bird_man]

Is Marshall still out of contract?

 

[ScrappyDo]

Posters are getting a bit more realistic about trade potentials now. Top of the list for me is a leadership transplant in general. Gears (coz of his age)
Ross
Newnes
Stuv
Bruce

Gears is a trooper but not a stellar leader. The rest are well below parr in output and leadership for their position in the squad.
Add Phillips to the list and very probably GOAT and there's something to work with.
These guys are not our future, and their standing in the team is a reflection of just how crap we are in that area.
Coff, Clark, Battle, Steele, Roma, Ming, Gresh, JB, Jweb (Bytel) are the future, it's time to embrace the fact.

 

[cooperrules]

Anyone still want to argue that Acres, Sincs, Ross and a few others shouldn't be on the table?

Its definitelt time to move a few on. Newnes will be gone years i would only keep acres from that lot. Play him as a mid for a change where hes always played his best footy. Weve got hanbers clarke paton bytel langlands and coff coming through the midfield. This years 1st rounder as well so theres plenty of upside.

 

[StCicatriz]

trading isn't going to fix us. neither is drafting.

it's developing what we already have. until we can do that, we ain't going anywhere.

 

[saintkildaman]

Trade Ross??? Anyone see what’s happened at Carlton the last few years?

I don’t rate Ross overly however he’s most likely the next captain of our club, with the age/experience we need. I wouldn’t trade unless someone gave overs and we had experience coming back.

Would be demoralising for some of the players to have both Stuv and Rossy (our best two midfielders the past few seasons) leave, we need to build on what we have by replacing our list cloggers and even inconsistent players like Blacres/Dunny rather then a proven AFL player and leader in Seb.

 

[sunny3193]

Gut feel is we won't trade Ross unless it's part of a deal for a gun mid.

Personally thinknhe has been found wanting as captain and without Stuv.

The others? Who knows. But we cannot keep the status quo with our current mids.

You have to bring in quality and push these guys out of the top 22 or off the list entirely.

If we had Stuv, Hanners, Steele and one or two elite additions, we could then afford to get games into Clark and Coff and develop them properly.

The only other alternatives I see is if we have a non mid which we can exch\nge for another mid.

Wouldn't surprise me to see another McEvoy type trade.

Billings