List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[plugger66]

Just like Tiananmen Square facts. Makes sense

The difference lynch said it on radio for all to hear. Or do you think someone had a gun to his back.

 

[VDS66]

Yep, i heard he was an addonis on can hill

Stewie Dew is his role model...

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Lyon hated Lynch. Even wrote an abusive note to John Peake for drafting him. I saw that note. If you weren't in Ross's harem you simply didn't get a go.

Whist drooling over Andrejs Everitt.
Peake wasn't a good talent scout, but neither was Lyon.

In fact it turns out that Lynch was one of the few decent picks taken first round that year.
12 : Lewis Johnston
13: Tom Lynch
14: Ayce Cordy
15: Mitch Brown
16: Ryan Shoenmakers
17: Sam Blease
18: Luke Shuey

In hindsite , David Zaharakis or Dayne beams might have been good.

 

[NextYearPlease]

In 2010
McQualter played 25 games.
Brett Peake played 23
Geary Played 19
Baker played 15
Eddy played 10
Armitage 9
RaphClarke played 8
Steven played 8.
Nick Heyne played 3
Miles played 2.

In 2011
Armitage 22.
Steven played 21.
Peake played 19.
Raph Clark played 17
Dean Polo played 15
Baker played 10.
Geary 8
Lynch/SIppos/Mcqualter 5
Cripps 4
Smith 3
Ledger 2
Winmar 2
Will Johnson 1
Archer 1

In 2012 ( Watters )
Armitage 21
Steven 21
Geary 20
Saad 16
Milera 15
Cripps 12
Siposs 11
Wilkes 10
Newnes 7
Polo 6
Dunell 5
Ledger 4
Raph Cloake 3
Seb Ross 1
Peake 1

Lyon had clearly moved Armitage and Steven into the midfield by 2011.
What was kind of strange was selecting Eddy so much in 2010 , then not playing him at all in 2011.

Didn't Eddie play the 2010 GF and get delisted thereafter?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Yeh Steven so sore with op could only manage 9 games in three yrs!! Perfect opportunity for Lyin to develop great young talent in awesome side but oh no let's play Eddie etc. the coach would not play the kids and certainly didn't develop them but you keep your opinion. Boring

I’ll personally never hold a grudge against Ross for putting all his chips in for a flag. If that meant that a 2nd year player didn’t get a look in then so be it.

Apparently you think it was more important for Ross to worry about developing talent for 2015+ than trying to win in 09/10.

Eddy played in 2010 because he was;

A) fit.
B) played a role that was needed as a defensive forward.

Stuv wasn’t fit. Neither was Armo. End of story.




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[VDS66]

I’ll personally never hold a grudge against Ross for putting all his chips in for a flag. If that meant that a 2nd year player didn’t get a look in then so be it.

Apparently you think it was more important for Ross to worry about developing talent for 2015+ than trying to win in 09/10.

Eddy played in 2010 because he was;

A) fit.
B) played a role that was needed as a defensive forward.

Stuv wasn’t fit. Neither was Armo. End of story.




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Maybe Wayne Olsen is Rob Eddy.

Still salty at being listed...

 

[Impatient Saint]

Whist drooling over Andrejs Everitt.
Peake wasn't a good talent scout, but neither was Lyon.

In fact it turns out that Lynch was one of the few decent picks taken first round that year.
12 : Lewis Johnston
13: Tom Lynch
14: Ayce Cordy
15: Mitch Brown
16: Ryan Shoenmakers
17: Sam Blease
18: Luke Shuey

In hindsite , David Zaharakis or Dayne beams might have been good.

+ Luke Shuey!

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Lyon didn’t pick the Grand Final teams by himself [emoji6]

 

[StCicatriz]

What changes will we see to make us flying in 2 years


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without putting words in Brians mouth

i assume they see the list as having some real growth in it, plus they think they can dislodge a player or two to improve us.

 

[wayneolsen]

I’ll personally never hold a grudge against Ross for putting all his chips in for a flag. If that meant that a 2nd year player didn’t get a look in then so be it.

Apparently you think it was more important for Ross to worry about developing talent for 2015+ than trying to win in 09/10.

Eddy played in 2010 because he was;

A) fit.
B) played a role that was needed as a defensive forward.

Stuv wasn’t fit. Neither was Armo. End of story.




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I wanted us to win flag big time- that's why I don'tlike Lyin cause he cost us with his arrogant selections.
This is not just about Steven

Eddy played replay final with an arm fracture!!! Super fit
Baker played with foot fracture!! Super fit
Gears played 19 games that yr. not fit
Armo played 9 games - not fit
Steven played 8 games not fit
Don't let facts get in the way of your defence for Lyin. End of story

 

[gringo2011]

The difference lynch said it on radio for all to hear. Or do you think someone had a gun to his back.

I remember when Jack Steven said that Watters was a "legend" as well. You said they all say bullshit in interviews to sound positive. Why is Lynch being honest and Stuv obfuscating?

 

[plugger66]

I remember when Jack Steven said that Watters was a "legend" as well. You said they all say ******** in interviews to sound positive. Why is Lynch being honest and Stuv obfuscating?

Pretty big difference even surely you see. One was talking about himself so no need to lie. The other talking about his coach. Come on gringo you are smarter than that.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I’ll personally never hold a grudge against Ross for putting all his chips in for a flag. If that meant that a 2nd year player didn’t get a look in then so be it.

Apparently you think it was more important for Ross to worry about developing talent for 2015+ than trying to win in 09/10.

Eddy played in 2010 because he was;

A) fit.
B) played a role that was needed as a defensive forward.

Stuv wasn’t fit. Neither was Armo. End of story.




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I just spoke to Clarko and Scott, and they said it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive.
Eddy was hardly ever a defensive forward if at all. That was McQualter. He did a Weller, after kicking 22 goals in 2009, kicking just 8 in 2010. But he went hard at the contest. Don't feel bad, people were always mistaking Rob for someone else.

Eddy played 10 games in both 2010 and 2011 , averaging 11.5 touches each year.

While we were picking rookies in 2008, we gave Brad Howard another chance, while others picked up Jeff Garlett, Matt DeBoer, Jarryd Blair, Luke Breust.

 

[gringo2011]

I wanted us to win flag big time- that's why I don'tlike Lyin cause he cost us with his arrogant selections.
This is not just about Steven

Eddy played replay final with an arm fracture!!! Super fit
Baker played with foot fracture!! Super fit
Gears played 19 games that yr. not fit
Armo played 9 games - not fit
Steven played 8 games not fit
Don't let facts get in the way of your defence for Lyin. End of story

I'm in the middle with Lyon, I reckon GT and Butterss get a lot of shit but they were our best admin as far as putting together a proper long term competitive side. They couldn't have done more to leave the on field set up for success. Lyon came in and taught hardness and a bit of a hard defensive edge. History shows he was a whisker from being a legend of the club. History also shows his game plan was harder to achieve in finals. He also burnt the last of the fuel gunning for a premiership and left a burnt out shell behind him for more money.

I was around for 97 where we finally got good and by a couple of years later we were shit again. What they did was create a reign of quality that lasted the best part of a decade. Pretty tough to drop GT on the back of prelim footy and his game style was probably more likely to either blow sides away or go down in flames, but it might have been different with him at the helm.

 

[gringo2011]

Pretty big difference even surely you see. One was talking about himself so no need to lie. The other talking about his coach. Come on gringo you are smarter than that.

I'm always doing faux humble, I reckon it's the Aussie way to say how shit you are while not really believing it.

 

[plugger66]

I'm in the middle with Lyon, I reckon GT and Butterss get a lot of **** but they were our best admin as far as putting together a proper long term competitive side. They couldn't have done more to leave the on field set up for success. Lyon came in and taught hardness and a bit of a hard defensive edge. History shows he was a whisker from being a legend of the club. History also shows his game plan was harder to achieve in finals. He also burnt the last of the fuel gunning for a premiership and left a burnt out shell behind him for more money.

I was around for 97 where we finally got good and by a couple of years later we were **** again. What they did was create a reign of quality that lasted the best part of a decade. Pretty tough to drop GT on the back of prelim footy and his game style was probably more likely to either blow sides away or go down in flames, but it might have been different with him at the helm.

Just out of interest why was the game plan harder to achieve in finals. We won nearly all of them in 09 and 10. Even Geelong was close both games. We actually got well beaten by the pies in home and away and drew the gf. Lyon was told to do what he could to win a flag and bugger the future. For a side that’s won one flag in 140 years even in hindsight I’m all for that.

 

[plugger66]

I'm always doing faux humble, I reckon it's the Aussie way to say how **** you are while not really believing it.

No worries. Maybe the proof is his record then if you don’t believe the actual person saying it. 5 games in his last year at saints. 6 in his first at Adelaide. Suggests player faults.

 

[gringo2011]

Just out of interest why was the game plan harder to achieve in finals. We won nearly all of them in 09 and 10. Even Geelong was close both games. We actually got well beaten by the pies in home and away and drew the gf. Lyon was told to do what he could to win a flag and bugger the future. For a side that’s won one flag in 140 years even in hindsight I’m all for that.

I think the intensity in finals goes both ways and you don't set the tempo like you do in home and away games. Sydney are the other ultra defensive side who protect humble leads and I would think they have suffered from it too. It's still effective, just not as effective. Freewheeling sides are open to exposure too but if you can pile on goals the psychological edge you get can win you the game.

That's fine, we went hard and didn't win though and are still paying for it nearly 10 years later. To the winners go the spoils as they say.

 

[gringo2011]

No worries. Maybe the proof is his record then if you don’t believe the actual person saying it. 5 games in his last year at saints. 6 in his first at Adelaide. Suggests player faults.

Or injury or not having a spot open or an old player holding up a spot or they wanted him to prove himself playing their game plan at SANFL level etc.

 

[plugger66]

I think the intensity in finals goes both ways and you don't set the tempo like you do in home and away games. Sydney are the other ultra defensive side who protect humble leads and I would think they have suffered from it too. It's still effective, just not as effective. Freewheeling sides are open to exposure too but if you can pile on goals the psychological edge you get can win you the game.

That's fine, we went hard and didn't win though and are still paying for it nearly 10 years later. To the winners go the spoils as they say.

Gee I would never have guessed that last line. Im 100% sure it was pointed out by many at the time that Lyon was make or break. I reckon not one person had an issue. I refuse to work in hindsight. We went for it and we missed out. The most fun footy ive ever had for 2 years. Still don't tink our game plan was the issue in the finals. It wasn't like the results we so much worse than home and away games. Certainly the grand finals werent apart from the replay and our older players were mentally and physically stuffed.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

In 2010
McQualter played 25 games.
Brett Peake played 23
Geary Played 19
Baker played 15
Eddy played 10
Armitage 9
RaphClarke played 8
Steven played 8.
Nick Heyne played 3
Miles played 2.

In 2011
Armitage 22.
Steven played 21.
Peake played 19.
Raph Clark played 17
Dean Polo played 15
Baker played 10.
Geary 8
Lynch/SIppos/Mcqualter 5
Cripps 4
Smith 3
Ledger 2
Winmar 2
Will Johnson 1
Archer 1

In 2012 ( Watters )
Armitage 21
Steven 21
Geary 20
Saad 16
Milera 15
Cripps 12
Siposs 11
Wilkes 10
Newnes 7
Polo 6
Dunell 5
Ledger 4
Raph Cloake 3
Seb Ross 1
Peake 1

Lyon had clearly moved Armitage and Steven into the midfield by 2011.
What was kind of strange was selecting Eddy so much in 2010 , then not playing him at all in 2011.

Eddy was delisted at the end of 2010. His last game was a GF!

 

[plugger66]

Or injury or not having a spot open or an old player holding up a spot or they wanted him to prove himself playing their game plan at SANFL level etc.

Or the actually words coming out of the actual players mouth. You are trying but you cant beat my defence. Im 147 not out and you have none for 147.

 

[longlivelenny]

Just to get this conversation back on trading, what are people's thoughts about letting newnes and Webster go this off season?
We have back flanks coming out our arse and we could replace both with any of Paton, white, coffield, hind or Langlands.
Theywould be the only back flank/pockets worth anything and really don't improve us very much. Thoughts?

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[Winmar2Lockett]

What is the right side
A true story about what
Plugger made his point. I made mine. Maybe he has underestimated my knowledge of said two players and coach

The right side is that Stuv lived with Plugger when he first came to the club and that your 'knowledge' is based on chatting to Old Man Lynch at Sandy (a parent of an unhappy player is always a reputable source!).

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I wanted us to win flag big time- that's why I don'tlike Lyin cause he cost us with his arrogant selections.
This is not just about Steven

Eddy played replay final with an arm fracture!!! Super fit
Baker played with foot fracture!! Super fit
Gears played 19 games that yr. not fit
Armo played 9 games - not fit
Steven played 8 games not fit
Don't let facts get in the way of your defence for Lyin. End of story

Bakes lied about the extent of his injury and Lyon was furious when he broke down early in the replay (which probably played a part in Lyon 'retiring' him 12 months later.
Geary? Are you serious? Would you have wanted a 2010 version of Gears in a GF side???
Armo wasn't fit, neither was Jack.

Don't let the actual facts get in the way of your blind hatred Wayne.