List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[George]

What’s the vibe on Paddy & Robbo? I feel like they won’t play again however will remain on the list due to their resistance to give up & retire. Both contracted which complicates matters.

Very unlikely both ever play again. But you are right, they are both contracted so it's their call. One thing the club definitely won't do is play them while there's still a cloud over them - could get ugly (legally) if they do play them and something happens. Duty of care and all that.

As harsh as it may sound, the improvement of Battle & Wilkie have softened Roberton's time off and the transition into next year without him won't be as difficult as first thought. Same goes for Paddy, with King sliding right into his spot come Round 1 next year.

I think Robbo will be given a coaching role with us next year. I feel for Paddy much more, he can't do much of anything with the nature of his injury.

 

[VDS66]

You point about Savage and Dunstan is true , however I feel if we get a list next year with our 2 mids that we are looking for I feel both are in jeopardy - because Savage has his hands full because Webster , Carlisle , Wilkie , Geary , Battle will fill 5 of the positions then he will be fighting it out with Hunter Clark , Coffield , Paton , McKenzie , Newnes.

Dunstan is a very good player as well but if we get our play maker which I expect we will get - I'm predicting a mid from GWS (Coniglio or Whitfield) and we have a fit Steven , Hannebery , Steele , Ross - I just can't see him getting a game unless Steele drops form - could Dunstan cut Bont out a game / I don't think so.

What will make it even harder for him is if we get B.Hill because then that takes a way another option for the coach to play another mid out of the middle.

ok I'm speculating but a really think we have our 2 players lined up and its going to be a game changer - if Dunstan and Savage are battling game , it just shows how good our squad is.

But it is not just them Sinclair , Acres , Kent , Long , Hind are all going to find it hard to get into the 22.

You add a Whitfield and say a Hill and fill the side with a fit Steven , Hannebery , Carlisle , Webster with the continued development of Hunter Clark , Wilkie , Battle , Marshall you start to get into a situation where you are cutting good players out of the team.

I'm not even looking at Roberton , because by all accounts he is still training at the club and hopes to get the all clear.

Geary - Brown / Marsh - Webster
Wilkie - Carlisle - Hunter Clark
Billings - Coniglio - Hill
Membery - Battle - Lonie
Gresham - Bruce - Parker

Marshall - Steele - Steven

Ross , Hannebery - then pick 2 out of these Acres , Coffield , Paton , Hind , Kent , Newnes , Dunstan , Savage , Long , DMac , Sinclair , Max King

and this only adding 2 good guys to our squad.

Not Getting Cogs...

 

[Premium]

Not Getting Cogs...

will it just could be Whitfield - stand by till seasons end

remember they currently have Coniglio , Ward , Kelly not playing with Caldwell , Bonar in the 2s - having Green , Williams , Taranto , Whitfield and Hooper currently playing in the middle - someone will move when give the big fish cash with the Gubby pulling the strings.

 

[VDS66]

will it just could be Whitfield - stand by till seasons end

Who told you that?

 

[triggering bro]

Very unlikely both ever play again. But you are right, they are both contracted so it's their call. One thing the club definitely won't do is play them while there's still a cloud over them - could get ugly (legally) if they do play them and something happens. Duty of care and all that.

As harsh as it may sound, the improvement of Battle & Wilkie have softened Roberton's time off and the transition into next year without him won't be as difficult as first thought. Same goes for Paddy, with King sliding right into his spot come Round 1 next year.

I think Robbo will be given a coaching role with us next year. I feel for Paddy much more, he can't do much of anything with the nature of his injury.

As harsh as it sounds the club needs to get on the front foot with regards to Paddy’s future. If they don’t intend to play him again just pay out his contract & move him on. We’d have the cap space & at the moment he’s taking up a list spot that could be used on a young player that will at least get on the park. I can’t see it being good for Paddy if the club is stringing him along by giving him false hope. Not saying they are doing this I’m just emphasising the club needs to be clear with their messaging IMO. I feel for the bloke & if it’s over for him he needs to be told so he can get closure & move on.

 

[Premium]

Who told you that?

I no ITK VDS , however reading about the guy he was very close to leaving GWS before and St Kilda was very close to getting him , now he is becoming a free agent next year and knowing the amount of money they will need to keep him would break there bank and having Allan being close to him as you know about the dope testing saga - we are in the box seat I feel - however its going to cost us / I was hoping for Cogs because he would just cost money.

 

[Premium]

As harsh as it sounds the club needs to get on the front foot with regards to Paddy’s future. If they don’t intend to play him again just pay out his contract & move him on. We’d have the cap space & at the moment he’s taking up a list spot that could be used on a young player that will at least get on the park. I can’t see it being good for Paddy if the club is stringing him along by giving him false hope. Not saying they are doing this I’m just emphasising the club needs to be clear with their messaging IMO. I feel for the bloke & if it’s over for him he needs to be told so he can get closure & move on.

kind of agree but , Angus Brayshaw had the same problem and that Suns player Kojo who is now playing for Melb I think - the chances are slim but we will find out at seasons end.
Usual they will put the talks off until the player review and by this time he will know if he is able to play footy again and by the sounds of it the USA trip hasn't come up with any mircale cure.

Very sad for the kid.

 

[triggering bro]

kind of agree but , Angus Brayshaw had the same problem and that Suns player Kojo who is now playing for Melb I think - the chances are slim but we will find out at seasons end.
Usual they will put the talks off until the player review and by this time he will know if he is able to play footy again and by the sounds of it the USA trip hasn't come up with any mircale cure.

Very sad for the kid.

Different circumstances. Paddy hasn’t been able to train for the last 6 months. He’s been restricted to eating, shitting & sleeping. For a big guy that has poor fitness to begin with its too far back to regain the required fitness to be a pro athlete IMO.

 

[ScrappyDo]

As harsh as it sounds the club needs to get on the front foot with regards to Paddy’s future. If they don’t intend to play him again just pay out his contract & move him on. We’d have the cap space & at the moment he’s taking up a list spot that could be used on a young player that will at least get on the park. I can’t see it being good for Paddy if the club is stringing him along by giving him false hope. Not saying they are doing this I’m just emphasising the club needs to be clear with their messaging IMO. I feel for the bloke & if it’s over for him he needs to be told so he can get closure & move on.

I think there's little doubt that it's done already. Financial arrangements TBD obviously, but Paddy is finished with AFL.
There's a much greater context around how the league will deal with concussion cases that we are not privy to, but you can bet it's high on the agenda.

 

[tomjoad]

Very unlikely both ever play again. But you are right, they are both contracted so it's their call. One thing the club definitely won't do is play them while there's still a cloud over them - could get ugly (legally) if they do play them and something happens. Duty of care and all that.

As harsh as it may sound, the improvement of Battle & Wilkie have softened Roberton's time off and the transition into next year without him won't be as difficult as first thought. Same goes for Paddy, with King sliding right into his spot come Round 1 next year.

I think Robbo will be given a coaching role with us next year. I feel for Paddy much more, he can't do much of anything with the nature of his injury.

I just get this horrible sinking feeling every time I think of Paddy. Such a s*it run of luck. I would've loved to see him break a game open. He had it in him...just needed a better run at it. Would've been great to see him play in a team that could pass & hit targets. Even sadder since the team looks like it may take a skill jump pretty soon.

 

[gringo2011]

Different circumstances. Paddy hasn’t been able to train for the last 6 months. He’s been restricted to eating, s**tting & sleeping. For a big guy that has poor fitness to begin with its too far back to regain the required fitness to be a pro athlete IMO.

I know a guy who got hit by a swinging truck door and had a really long term concussion. Similar to Koby and Paddy, finally he's come good after about 12 months. To me if you have a proneness to concussion it just isn't worth the potential of doing again. I had a glass jaw when I was young and would go out like a light from hits. Some people are just a bit more susceptible to it. Big head, small brain is my self diagnosis.

The other reason he might want to stay involved as a player is the club would be paying foray specialist treatments and doctors. It would be pretty costly to do it all on your own. I hope if they cut him they negotiate some kind of medical cover for him or to utilise the club doctors in that time.

 

[gringo2011]

I just get this horrible sinking feeling every time I think of Paddy. Such a s*it run of luck. I would've loved to see him break a game open. He had it in him...just needed a better run at it. Would've been great to see him play in a team that could pass & hit targets. Even sadder since the team looks like it may take a skill jump pretty soon.

I can honestly say he is a champion guy too. He was first to arrive last to leave and would meet and greet everyone and sign anything for any one. He's a big loveable teddy bear. Of all the people to get shit luck he's not the guy who deserves it.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

I can honestly say he is a champion guy too. He was first to arrive last to leave and would meet and greet everyone and sign anything for any one. He's a big loveable teddy bear. Of all the people to get s**t luck he's not the guy who deserves it.

Plus he has that big gap toothed dopey grin.
Wish I could just go and give Paddles a big hug and make it go away.
Hope he gets looked after.

 

[George]

As harsh as it sounds the club needs to get on the front foot with regards to Paddy’s future. If they don’t intend to play him again just pay out his contract & move him on. We’d have the cap space & at the moment he’s taking up a list spot that could be used on a young player that will at least get on the park. I can’t see it being good for Paddy if the club is stringing him along by giving him false hope. Not saying they are doing this I’m just emphasising the club needs to be clear with their messaging IMO. I feel for the bloke & if it’s over for him he needs to be told so he can get closure & move on.

Club is actually doing the complete opposite. As nicely as they can they are trying to show him that his life after football is more important.

 

[Max the great]

I think Freo are the biggest losers out of that deal to be honest. They might have to g e t something back from Geelong.

Jack might be contracted but he doesn't have a lot of value.

Why does he not have a lot of value?

 

[Max the great]

All this talk about Max King being to light , for christ sakes the kid is 19 , he will take a while but he has shown he was the most outstanding kid in the draft and all this talk of trading him is crazy.
Very rarely do you get a kid like this and we are lucky we got him and he is Saints supporter as well.
Also trading out Marshall what sort of drugs are these people on , we got him for nothing and he has shown he is currently in the best 3 rucks in the game after a season in the ruck.
We are a good chance on getting Hill and we are in with a chance of a few more.

Once again we only need 2 mids that is it - Get Hill and hope Allan comes good with a guy from GWS and we are set for a long time playing finals.

Max King is too light and we should trade Marshall. Ignore it mate. Absolute bonkers people in here. It's really too much.

 

[Max the great]

Goldy will not last much longer. God. STOP THIS MARSHALL *******. Please. I will quit bigfooty after a week because of this garbage, bloody hell.

The steadier takes the cake as the most delusional poster this joint has seen. And that is saying quiet a lot. This joint is crazy.

 

[austinnn]

I'm not sure if you're old enough to remember but the hawks were a basket case on the verge of a merger 20 years ago.

They BUILT themselves into a destination club by taking risks chasing success.

They didn't have it handed to them in the same way we won't become a destination club by having it handed to us.

But like the hawks, we can build ourselves into a destination club by taking risks and innovating.

Resistance of Docklands and perseverance in Tasmania. That's how the Hawks overtook us.

 

[Max the great]

All this talk about Steven leaving is a crock , everyone had Billings going to the Bombers and Gresham a chance of leaving - because Geelong has been in his ear everyone thinks he wants to leave.

The info I have is he absolutely loves the club and the boys and has no desire to leave. That info is very solid as well.

 

[Max the great]

I'm looking forward to 3 years time when someone brings it up in here that there was actually a guy who legitimately thought it was a good idea to trade ROMA. And we can all reminisce and have a good giggle.

 

[Jade Buddha]

You point about Savage and Dunstan is true , however I feel if we get a list next year with our 2 mids that we are looking for I feel both are in jeopardy - because Savage has his hands full because Webster , Carlisle , Wilkie , Geary , Battle will fill 5 of the positions then he will be fighting it out with Hunter Clark , Coffield , Paton , McKenzie , Newnes.

Dunstan is a very good player as well but if we get our play maker which I expect we will get - I'm predicting a mid from GWS (Coniglio or Whitfield) and we have a fit Steven , Hannebery , Steele , Ross - I just can't see him getting a game unless Steele drops form - could Dunstan cut Bont out a game / I don't think so.

What will make it even harder for him is if we get B.Hill because then that takes a way another option for the coach to play another mid out of the middle.

ok I'm speculating but a really think we have our 2 players lined up and its going to be a game changer - if Dunstan and Savage are battling game , it just shows how good our squad is.

But it is not just them Sinclair , Acres , Kent , Long , Hind are all going to find it hard to get into the 22.

You add a Whitfield and say a Hill and fill the side with a fit Steven , Hannebery , Carlisle , Webster with the continued development of Hunter Clark , Wilkie , Battle , Marshall you start to get into a situation where you are cutting good players out of the team.

I'm not even looking at Roberton , because by all accounts he is still training at the club and hopes to get the all clear.

Geary - Brown / Marsh - Webster
Wilkie - Carlisle - Hunter Clark
Billings - Coniglio - Hill
Membery - Battle - Lonie
Gresham - Bruce - Parker

Marshall - Steele - Steven

Ross , Hannebery - then pick 2 out of these Acres , Coffield , Paton , Hind , Kent , Newnes , Dunstan , Savage , Long , DMac , Sinclair , Max King

and this only adding 2 good guys to our squad.

Dunstan is way ahead of Hanners and current form us really all you go off.
I’d also have him as more important to our midfield than Ross

 

[austinnn]

Unfortunately l am old enough to remember the velcro hawk and l definitely want some of that stuff BTW...

The Hawks turned it around through getting their club in order with astute appointments and business decisions and engaging their large latent supporter base. Though there were a couple on non high profile recruits in their 2008 team, it was built through the DRAFT and took 12 YEARS to bear fruit after the 1996 merger talk.
They did the exact opposite of what you're advocating, which is just knee-jerk recklessness.
Boldness without strategy is suicide. Trading out young players that will form the elite core of our next premiership tilt is not a path to success. You're running on pure idealism right now, ignoring the current state of our club and the REALITIES of the player trade market.
Cogs, Kelly, Gaff, Sheil, Scully and god knows how many others all said NO despite our bold offers. Why do you think that was??

I don't mind being Sully-ed because this is as Bang On as it gets.

100% correct and 100% agree.

 

[austinnn]

Can we go as far as handing out bans for any mention of King Romas name in this thread? Dead serious..

Leave him alone FFS. I may not agree with his idea, but at least it IS an idea, he's prepared to be bold and think differently, has gone to a lot of trouble to justify and support his idea, and was rarely rude or disrespectful. Doesn't do any harm to entertain a hypothetical, though I'll concede in this instance it would a foolish thing for the club to actually do.

 

[70s sainter]

I'm looking forward to 3 years time when someone brings it up in here that there was actually a guy who legitimately thought it was a good idea to trade ROMA. And we can all reminisce and have a good giggle.

Could be the same people on here that were saying hunter Clark is no good and a hack about 6 weeks ago .

 

[#gosaintas]

Could be the same people on here that were saying hunter Clark is no good and a hack about 6 weeks ago .

Nobody said this. His fitness and body shape was the issue. Talent never an issue.