2019 Trade thread

[martinson]

Peak Daniher+Peak Hipwood+Peak Cameron would be scary as fu** if they were ever playing together.

Daniher sounds like he's cooked though. Sydney's problem.

Let's hope he is cooked then maybe we could get hold of him and uncook him

 

[bungalow_bill]

It still makes me laugh that Wallet calls himself "the list manager", second most AFL games coached to have never made a grand final.

AKA the list mangler

 

[Surly Boy]

AFL.com.au reporting Swans inquiring about Squizzy....

Edit - link: https://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-02/trade-wrap-port-waits-on-fantasia-call-dons-eye-big-blue

 

[rangatangtang]

I think Elliot is a clever dangerous player but for what he would want we already have guys on less who can play the role , plus he's injury prone . To me he's icing on the cake for a club looking to maintain dominance whereas we're still a team trying to get to that level.

For or attacking structures unless we could get a potential gun in the 23 -26 yo bracket who gives us something we don't have at all I'd pass

I agree but think if Rayner goes more mid with his disposal efficiency and if Keays overtakes bundy same with his disposal efficiency having someone clever and dangerous around hf who can also play deep would be the perfect foil for hipwood Mcstay and Cameron. Maximum headaches for oppo teams and woRth us having a considerable crack

 

[BangyBangy]

Peak Daniher+Peak Hipwood+Peak Cameron would be scary as fu** if they were ever playing together.

Daniher sounds like he's cooked though. Sydney's problem.

This is massive risk / reward stuff here for Sydney. If it comes off everyone looks like geniuses, if he goes lame & plays a handful of games you've flushed pick 5 & a second rounder down the dunny. There's a reason the Bombers haven't already signed him for a big multiple year contract. For where we are as a club I don't really think it's worth that risk (not that we have the currency to make a play for him anyway).

Let's hope he is cooked then maybe we could get hold of him and uncook him

Meh, dunno. He's pretty cooked if the Bombers medical staff can't get him right. You know they'll do whatever it takes & get their players to take whatever it takes

 

[Bucking Beads]

There’s just no way Sydney give up Pick 5 for Daniher. Daniher hasn’t played in 2 years. I’d be flat out offering a 2nd rounder for him tbh.

 

[Tom14]

This is massive risk / reward stuff here for Sydney. If it comes off everyone looks like geniuses, if he goes lame & plays a handful of games you've flushed pick 5 & a second rounder down the dunny. There's a reason the Bombers haven't already signed him for a big multiple year contract. For where we are as a club I don't really think it's worth that risk (not that we have the currency to make a play for him anyway).



Meh, dunno. He's pretty cooked if the Bombers medical staff can't get him right. You know they'll do whatever it takes & get their players to take whatever it takes

Its all a moot point as it sounds like Swans or staying at the bombers are the only two options but I tend to think the opposite to the bolded statement - where we are at I think we can take the risk, whereas wasting pick 5 or pick 9 (from Carlton for Papley) as part of a deal for Daniher is a massive issue for the Swans as they head into a rebuilding period. We can probably afford to take a punt better than quite a few teams draft pick wise.

The issue for us other than satisfying the bombers would be the contract.

 

[jackess]

There’s just no way Sydney give up Pick 5 for Daniher. Daniher hasn’t played in 2 years. I’d be flat out offering a 2nd rounder for him tbh.

No point Sydney wasting their time then. No chance Essendon would accept a second round pick for him

 

[dlanod]

Despite that i still say Round 21 2000 when the Dogs beat the unbeatable and undefeated Bombers side and pretty much invented flooding was a masterstroke. That about all he's done tho. Almost 20 years ago wow.

Inventive but almost single-handedly turned the game into an unwatchable mess that turned people away in their droves.

Also responsible for https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-04-06/the-day-keepingsoff-led-to-a-shock-tiger-win.

Chip it around in the backfield for hours on end.

 

[dlanod]

Except crowds are up 20% since then and I’m pretty sure tv numbers are up as well.

27% population growth in that time and over 10% new teams as well.

 

[BangyBangy]

Its all a moot point as it sounds like Swans or staying at the bombers are the only two options but I tend to think the opposite to the bolded statement - where we are at I think we can take the risk, whereas wasting pick 5 or pick 9 (from Carlton for Papley) as part of a deal for Daniher is a massive issue for the Swans as they head into a rebuilding period. We can probably afford to take a punt better than quite a few teams draft pick wise.

The issue for us other than satisfying the bombers would be the contract.

Yeah I do get what you mean in terms of saying we can afford to take a punt. I don't disagree. let me put it a different way perhaps. We finished top 2 this year, played finals & have a heap of natural progression in us in terms of our younger stars coming along & developing next year. Just think we can control our growth & and improvement with more likely outcomes than someone who could be a total bust or who could kick 70 goals in year if he's fit for the whole season.

 

[rangatangtang]

Its all a moot point as it sounds like Swans or staying at the bombers are the only two options but I tend to think the opposite to the bolded statement - where we are at I think we can take the risk, whereas wasting pick 5 or pick 9 (from Carlton for Papley) as part of a deal for Daniher is a massive issue for the Swans as they head into a rebuilding period. We can probably afford to take a punt better than quite a few teams draft pick wise.

The issue for us other than satisfying the bombers would be the contract.

what picks do you think we should offer for him?

 

[davemc_lions]

Daniher could end up like Fev. We played in a final went all out and remember where it ended up.
If cheap then yes.
I am still not big on our forward line talls

 

[FromOldFitzroy]

I'm worried the Kelly trade between Geelong and West Coast will go to the wire and hold up the annual migration of Geelong players to us.

 

[BangyBangy]

Daniher could end up like Fev. We played in a final went all out and remember where it ended up.
If cheap then yes.
I am still not big on our forward line talls

Only way Daniher goes cheap is if a deal doesn't get made this trade period, and he doesn't get on the park next year either.

 

[Kojihama]

Even though Lewy has fallen down our pecking order, it still feels like we're about to be robbed of a first round draft pick.

 

[Tom14]

what picks do you think we should offer for him?

I don't think we are in the running at all.

In terms of value Hogan last year is probably a reasonable comparison to Daniher - both very talented but injury prone players. Hogan cost 6 and 23 with a pick in the 50s coming back to Freo.

Daniher is a bit older and has had a worse injury run so maybe something a bit less, but it is Essendon so I don't expect they'd take any sort of discount.

 

[Flossie32]

Hopefully he isn’t our new ‘Tom Bell’
Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane

I thought the other day this addition feels a bit like Tom Bell trade.

 

[luthor]

Daniher could end up like Fev. We played in a final went all out and remember where it ended up.
If cheap then yes.

Worse still Daniher could end up like Bradshaw.

Sydney payed an insane amount for Bradshaw (was it $2M over 3 years?) and ended up getting 6 or 7 games out of him before he literally retired hurt.

For all the flak we got over the Fev trade, it's a conveniently overlooked fact that Sydney did their bum even worse with Bradshaw.

It's also an urban urban myth that Voss stabbed Bradshaw in the back to get Fevola.

The reality is that Bradshaw played the game of contract brinkmanship once to often with the Lions, we called his bluff and off he went.

We got better value out of Fev than Sydney did out of Bradshaw.

 

[Brett C]

Worse still Daniher could end up like Bradshaw.

Sydney payed an insane amount for Bradshaw (was it $2M over 3 years?) and ended up getting 6 or 7 games out of him before he literally retired hurt.

For all the flak we got over the Fev trade, it's a conveniently overlooked fact that Sydney did their bum even worse with Bradshaw.

It's also an urban urban myth that Voss stabbed Bradshaw in the back to get Fevola.

The reality is that Bradshaw played the game of contract brinkmanship once to often with the Lions, we called his bluff and off he went.

We got better value out of Fev than Sydney did out of Bradshaw.

He was offered to Carlton and when that fell through we offered him a one year contract vs the 3 from Sydney. Why would he have stayed after that?

Btw the Sydney contract was closer to $1m not $2m.

I think the couple of years with Voss show how poorly the club was run and Voss was a major part of the problem.

 

[snooplions]

Knightmare is Chris Deore who writes for ESPN. It says it in his ESPN bio.

Could I really be wrong..

No, it's ESPN that are wrong.

 

[BangyBangy]

He was offered to Carlton and when that fell through we offered him a one year contract vs the 3 from Sydney. Why would he have stayed after that?

Btw the Sydney contract was closer to $1m not $2m.

I think the couple of years with Voss show how poorly the club was run and Voss was a major part of the problem.

Can you provide further insight into this last statement?

 

[rangatangtang]

I don't think we are in the running at all.

In terms of value Hogan last year is probably a reasonable comparison to Daniher - both very talented but injury prone players. Hogan cost 6 and 23 with a pick in the 50s coming back to Freo.

Daniher is a bit older and has had a worse injury run so maybe something a bit less, but it is Essendon so I don't expect they'd take any sort of discount.

That's where the afl peeps are rating him too but I don't think we can have a punt as you say in that bid range

 

[Clarkythelion]

Worse still Daniher could end up like Bradshaw.

Sydney payed an insane amount for Bradshaw (was it $2M over 3 years?) and ended up getting 6 or 7 games out of him before he literally retired hurt.

For all the flak we got over the Fev trade, it's a conveniently overlooked fact that Sydney did their bum even worse with Bradshaw.

It's also an urban urban myth that Voss stabbed Bradshaw in the back to get Fevola.

The reality is that Bradshaw played the game of contract brinkmanship once to often with the Lions, we called his bluff and off he went.

We got better value out of Fev than Sydney did out of Bradshaw.

I guess the medical teams may be a bit better these days. Bradders was stuffed, he couldn't bend over even in Brisbane. he had tried the year before to become a builder/chippy and start an after football trade but gave it up as his back couldn't take it. Fev made sense at the time because he could get the ball when it hit the ground, Bradders had magic hands and guns of steel but once on the deck that was it. Sydney took the risk on a disgruntled Leonard lost but we lost so much more disappointing a loyal son and bringing in a mentally disabled, culture destroying replacement.

 

[jjami15]

Shout me down, don’t care, I would be going to WC (and Jarrod’s manger and saying) here’s pick 16 let’s facilitate this deal with Tim Kelly. Give us something back and happy days. 2 Camerons in the forward line, who wouldn’t pay to see that?!