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So you're probably aware of the spreadsheets I keep posting everywhere. Well this will be something of a home for it I guess.


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Cant work out why they moved McGrath out of there unless it was just for preseason game?

Any opinion bombers fans if he will be back in the guts
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probably did it to confuse supercoach players.
 
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PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Patrick Ambrose Foot TBC
Dylan Clarke Ankle 3-4 weeks
Michael Hurley Hip Indefinite
James Stewart Hamstring 7 weeks
Jake Stringer Achilles 1-2 weeks
Irving Mosquito Knee 5-6 months
David Zaharakis Knee 3-4 weeks
Updated: Tuesday, March 16
Early prognosis
The Bombers will be without several key position players as they enter round one, with Hurley, Ambrose, Stewart and Stringer, who has often played at full-forward, unavailable. Stringer has rejoined full training and could be back in round two, while Zaharakis is a couple of weeks away as he manages his knee injury. Nick Hind has been cleared from the shoulder issue he picked up against Geelong in the AAMI Community Series. - Callum Twomey


PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Tyson Goldsack Knee 6-8 weeks
Hamish Hartlett Hamstring Test
Sam Powell-Pepper Personal leave Indefinite
Connor Rozee Foot TBC
Updated: Tuesday, March 9
Early prognosis
The Power have kept Hartlett on the injury list despite Nathan Bassett declaring him fit to play on Tuesday, suggesting a little caution may still be called for. They're confident though that Todd Marshall is good to go. The main concern is Rozee, with a return date expected to be clearer when he resumes training next week after surgery to remove scar tissue from around his foot. - Staff writer

So they're in form, and really only have Rozee and SPP missing.
 
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PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Patrick AmbroseFootTBC
Dylan ClarkeAnkle3-4 weeks
Michael HurleyHipIndefinite
James StewartHamstring7 weeks
Jake StringerAchilles1-2 weeks
Irving MosquitoKnee5-6 months
David ZaharakisKnee3-4 weeks
Updated: Tuesday, March 16
Early prognosis
The Bombers will be without several key position players as they enter round one, with Hurley, Ambrose, Stewart and Stringer, who has often played at full-forward, unavailable. Stringer has rejoined full training and could be back in round two, while Zaharakis is a couple of weeks away as he manages his knee injury. Nick Hind has been cleared from the shoulder issue he picked up against Geelong in the AAMI Community Series. - Callum Twomey


PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Tyson GoldsackKnee6-8 weeks
Hamish HartlettHamstringTest
Sam Powell-PepperPersonal leaveIndefinite
Connor RozeeFootTBC
Updated: Tuesday, March 9
Early prognosis
The Power have kept Hartlett on the injury list despite Nathan Bassett declaring him fit to play on Tuesday, suggesting a little caution may still be called for. They're confident though that Todd Marshall is good to go. The main concern is Rozee, with a return date expected to be clearer when he resumes training next week after surgery to remove scar tissue from around his foot. - Staff writer

So they're in form, and really only have Rozee and SPP missing.
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Still nothing on Guelfi or Phillips.
 

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PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Taylor Adams Knee 8-10 weeks
Trent Bianco Knee 1-3 weeks
Jordan De Goey Concussion 1 week
Jamie Elliott Leg 10-12 weeks
Levi Greenwood Concussion 1 week
Jeremy Howe Hamstring 3-4 weeks
Mark Keane Suspension Round 7
Updated: Tuesday, April 20
Early prognosis
The Pies are counting the cost of a bruising trip to WA, with three players ruled out through injury. De Goey and Greenwood both sustained concussion and will be forced to miss Anzac Day, while Howe suffered a hamstring injury. The high-flying defender aggravated scar tissue in the hamstring that was used for a graft to repair his knee injury last year. Brody Mihocek has been cleared of any damage to the shoulder injury that was iced post-game. - Mitch Cleary

Apparantly Chris Mayne may have done a hammy too.


PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Cody Brand Ankle Test
Jye Caldwell Hamstring 3-5 weeks
Dylan Clarke Ankle Test
Sam Draper Ankle 5-7 weeks
Michael Hurley Hip Indefinite
Jordan Ridley Concussion 1-2 weeks
Dylan Shiel Knee 12-16 weeks
James Stewart Hamstring Test
Irving Mosquito Knee 3-4 months
Updated: Tuesday, April 20
Early prognosis
Ridley will sit out Essendon's biggest game of the home and away season after his head knock last week under mandatory concussion protocols. The club is taking things cautiously with Caldwell's hamstring injury, while Draper is still some time off resuming playing. Stewart is getting close to a return in the VFL after his hamstring injury in the pre-season. – Callum Twomey

Whilst it's a long one right now, come the Carlton match it should be down to Caldwell, Draper, Hurley, Shiel and Mozzie. And we have no idea what injury McBride had or has too
 
Okay, round 7:


PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Jack Carroll Thumb Test
Charlie Curnow Knee Indefinite
Tom De Koning Back Test
Zac Fisher Ankle 6-7 weeks
Brodie Kemp Foot 3-4 weeks
Caleb Marchbank Knee Season
Jack Martin Knee 2 weeks
Oscar McDonald Back 10-12 weeks
Nic Newman Knee Test
Luke Parks Hamstring Test
Jack Silvagni Shoulder Test
Updated: Tuesday, April 27
Early prognosis
The good news for the Blues is that Silvagni (shoulder) has recovered quicker than expected and could even feature as soon as this weekend. De Koning (back) and Newman (knee) should return through the VFL this week, where they are expected to be joined by Parks (hamstring). The club still expects Curnow (knee) to return for the second half of the year, having resumed running and agility activities recently. - Riley Beveridge


PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Jye Caldwell Hamstring 2-4 weeks
Dylan Clarke Ankle Test
Sam Draper Ankle 4-6 weeks
Aaron Francis Ankle Test
Michael Hurley Hip Indefinite
Jordan Ridley Concussion Test
Dylan Shiel Knee 10-14 weeks
James Stewart Hamstring Test
Irving Mosquito Knee Indefinite
Updated: Tuesday, April 27
Early prognosis
The Bombers are expected to get back Ridley after concussion ruled him out of last week's clash with Collingwood, while they remain hopeful Francis will be available after being substituted out of Anzac Day with an ankle sprain. Stewart is getting close to a return to VFL action. - Callum Twomey
 
To help your spreadsheets Lore, I think I've figured out the short/medium/long term thing on our website:


PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Josh EyreConcussionShort term (1-2 weeks)
Jake StringerHamstringShort term (1-2 weeks)
Zach ReidIllnessShort term (1-2 weeks)
Sam DraperAnkleShort term (1-2 weeks)
Devon SmithHamstringMedium term (3-5 weeks)
Tom CutlerCalfMedium term (3-5 weeks)
Dylan ClarkeAnkleMedium term (3-5 weeks)
Michael HurleyIllnessLong term (6+ weeks)
Jye CaldwellHamstringLong term (6+ weeks)
Dylan ShielKneeLong term (6+ weeks)
Irving MosquitoKneeLong term (6+ weeks)
Kaine BaldwinKneeLong term (6+ weeks)

So the first group might be back before the bye, the second group will probably be back a couple of weeks after, and the third group will be out for a while. Although the medium term could be 3-6 and the long term 7+
 
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To help your spreadsheets Lore, I think I've figured out the short/medium/long term thing on our website:


PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Josh EyreConcussionShort term (1-2 weeks)
Jake StringerHamstringShort term (1-2 weeks)
Zach ReidIllnessShort term (1-2 weeks)
Sam DraperAnkleShort term (1-2 weeks)
Devon SmithHamstringMedium term (3-5 weeks)
Tom CutlerCalfMedium term (3-5 weeks)
Dylan ClarkeAnkleMedium term (3-5 weeks)
Michael HurleyIllnessLong term (6+ weeks)
Jye CaldwellHamstringLong term (6+ weeks)
Dylan ShielKneeLong term (6+ weeks)
Irving MosquitoKneeLong term (6+ weeks)
Kaine BaldwinKneeLong term (6+ weeks)

So the first group might be back before the bye, the second group will probably be back a couple of weeks after, and the third group will be out for a while. Although the medium term could be 3-6 and the long term 7+
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Something like that. I never go off those tables, they always miss things or guess. And now it's even vaguer. Although the club one should be less daft than the AFL website version.

Based on what has been said by either the Tudor in the VFL update, Rutten in a press conference, players in interviews (when talking about themselves), or the performance update (by the fitness guy, not the interviewer);

1 week: Eyre is concussion protocols – 12 days starting last Wednesday. So he'll miss 1 more game.
2-3 weeks: Stringer is 3-4 weeks from last week, so now 2-3 weeks. Touch and go for Richmond.
3-4 weeks: Reid should be in full training from next week, as of last week's injury report. I would expect a week or two of that before VFL.
3-4 weeks: Draper was 8-10 weeks from 29/3, he started running last week. This week is 8 weeks and the Richmond game will be 10 weeks. So he's probably going to be after the bye given his progress and there'll be a need to bring him through the VFL if we're still doing that off long injuries.

4-6 weeks: Devon Smith is a 4-6 week hamstring. Not running yet, so definitely a longer build up than Stringers.
~4 weeks: Cutler "a few weeks" on 4/5. He's in his 3rd week of the injury, pictured running in the latest performance update video, and will "build up over the next couple of weeks". So I'm guessing that's VFL around the bye weekend or just after.
Clarke is more or less undetermined. His progress has been slower than expected, he hasn't been able to build up his training loads for a while and they were hoping to start building him up again from next week depending on what the ankle can withstand. Initially they said he'd miss the first few rounds, and now it's round 10 and he's not even in full training. So not holding my breath XD

Round ~18?: Hurley was hoping to play the last 6 games of the season. Not really clear how that's going but he's building up muscle mass again.
Round 17-21: Caldwell is another 8-12 weeks following re-injury and surgery.
Round 18: Shiel is a 16 week timeframe post op but he's a bit ahead of schedule. Alter G this week.
Baldwin's ACL was July last year so technically should be "available" for the Hawthorn game. But as with Lachie Johnson I reckon he'll be spending a while in the VFL and completely off the pace with the mountain of footy and training he's missed with COVID plus the rehab.
Mozzie did his ACL in September, so he'll be gone all season (and possibly altogether).
 
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Something like that. I never go off those tables, they always miss things or guess. And now it's even vaguer. Although the club one should be less daft than the AFL website version.

Based on what has been said by either the Tudor in the VFL update, Rutten in a press conference, players in interviews (when talking about themselves), or the performance update (by the fitness guy, not the interviewer);

1 week: Eyre is concussion protocols – 12 days starting last Wednesday. So he'll miss 1 more game.
2-3 weeks: Stringer is 3-4 weeks from last week, so now 2-3 weeks. Touch and go for Richmond.
3-4 weeks: Reid should be in full training from next week, as of last week's injury report. I would expect a week or two of that before VFL.
3-4 weeks: Draper was 8-10 weeks from 29/3, he started running last week. This week is 8 weeks and the Richmond game will be 10 weeks. So he's probably going to be after the bye given his progress and there'll be a need to bring him through the VFL if we're still doing that off long injuries.

4-6 weeks: Devon Smith is a 4-6 week hamstring. Not running yet, so definitely a longer build up than Stringers.
~4 weeks: Cutler "a few weeks" on 4/5. He's in his 3rd week of the injury, pictured running in the latest performance update video, and will "build up over the next couple of weeks". So I'm guessing that's VFL around the bye weekend or just after.
Clarke is more or less undetermined. His progress has been slower than expected, he hasn't been able to build up his training loads for a while and they were hoping to start building him up again from next week depending on what the ankle can withstand. Initially they said he'd miss the first few rounds, and now it's round 10 and he's not even in full training. So not holding my breath XD

Round ~18?: Hurley was hoping to play the last 6 games of the season. Not really clear how that's going but he's building up muscle mass again.
Round 17-21: Caldwell is another 8-12 weeks following re-injury and surgery.
Round 18: Shiel is a 16 week timeframe post op but he's a bit ahead of schedule. Alter G this week.
Baldwin's ACL was July last year so technically should be "available" for the Hawthorn game. But as with Lachie Johnson I reckon he'll be spending a while in the VFL and completely off the pace with the mountain of footy and training he's missed with COVID plus the rehab.
Mozzie did his ACL in September, so he'll be gone all season (and possibly altogether).
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See I don't see the "Short term" as more than 2 weeks, as most of the medium terms have been 3-4 weeks. I was using Cutler as the litmus test, he should be 3 weeks now, so my theory suggests 3 weeks is the lower end of the "medium term". Therefore Stringer, Reid and Draper should be a couple of weeks away at most. If it's 3-6 weeks instead of 3-5 then cool, that's a fair call.

As far as Draper goes, he injured himself round 2 for an 8-10 week injury. 8 weeks will be this week, so again 1 or 2 more games, maybe back for Richmond in the VFL. And given we may have a few "back fit" for the bye weekend, I wouldn't be surprised if we had a mini match sim for that week, (maybe 7/8 on the injury list, plus 1 or 2 MSD recruits).
 
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The other thing is that they're talking in terms of "short term rehab plan" in the videos now.

So I'm thinking that a "short term rehab plan" is a plan to get them back into full training. Whereas the old 3-4 weeks is 3-4 weeks until they're ready to play, including a week or two of building up minutes in the VFL.

So there could be a discrepancy of a week or two there, depending on whether you consider them 'no longer recovering' when they're in full training or when they're actually able to play 100% game time in the AFL.
 
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Either way I'm gonna keep my spreadsheet based on quotes and as specific as possible and if people wanna look at the list on the club website and guess about vague descriptions of short medium and long-term they can do that too 🤷‍♀️ The more resources the better.
 
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The other thing is that they're talking in terms of "short term rehab plan" in the videos now.

So I'm thinking that a "short term rehab plan" is a plan to get them back into full training. Whereas the old 3-4 weeks is 3-4 weeks until they're ready to play, including a week or two of building up minutes in the VFL.

So there could be a discrepancy of a week or two there, depending on whether you consider them 'no longer recovering' when they're in full training or when they're actually able to play 100% game time in the AFL.
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I hadn't factored that in. Hmm.

But seriously, Essendon suck at this stuff. Compare the crap we serve up compared to Collingwood:

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Lore said:
If Essendon had that this thread would be redundant 🤣
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I mean, we're pretty much the only ones who post in here anyway...
 
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I mean, we're pretty much the only ones who post in here anyway...
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It's kind of like a dump thread for random non-game-specific selections chatter tbh. It's been through phases of being used more, best 22s and what is our best midfield mix or whatever.

Mostly I post injury news in the player threads because that way people can talk about it. I keep the spreadsheet for my own purposes, I don't really know who uses it, but it's here. 🤷‍♀️ That's pretty much the case with all the spreadsheets actually, other than the club focus ones on the trade board.
 
PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Peter WrightCalfTest
Devon SmithHamstringTest
Dylan ShielKneeShort term (1-3 weeks)
David ZaharakisHamstringShort term (1-3 weeks)
Will SnellingThumbShort term (1-3 weeks)
Dylan ClarkeAnkleMedium term (4-7 weeks)
Michael HurleyIllnessLong term (8+ weeks)
Jye CaldwellHamstringLong term (8+ weeks)
Irving MosquitoKneeLong term (8+ weeks)
Kaine BaldwinKneeLong term (8+ weeks)
Updated Wednesday, June 16

So by the North game we theoretically should only have 5 on the injury list barring more injuries.
 
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PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Peter WrightCalfTest
Devon SmithHamstringTest
Dylan ShielKneeShort term (1-3 weeks)
David ZaharakisHamstringShort term (1-3 weeks)
Will SnellingThumbShort term (1-3 weeks)
Dylan ClarkeAnkleMedium term (4-7 weeks)
Michael HurleyIllnessLong term (8+ weeks)
Jye CaldwellHamstringLong term (8+ weeks)
Irving MosquitoKneeLong term (8+ weeks)
Kaine BaldwinKneeLong term (8+ weeks)
Updated Wednesday, June 16

So by the North game we theoretically should only have 5 on the injury list barring more injuries.
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McGrath (also long term) not listed on there so it should be 6 if we don't have more injuries.
 
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PLAYERINJURYESTIMATED RETURN
Peter WrightCalfTest
Devon SmithHamstringTest
Dylan ShielKneeShort term (1-3 weeks)
David ZaharakisHamstringShort term (1-3 weeks)
Will SnellingThumbShort term (1-3 weeks)
Dylan ClarkeAnkleMedium term (4-7 weeks)
Michael HurleyIllnessLong term (8+ weeks)
Jye CaldwellHamstringLong term (8+ weeks)
Irving MosquitoKneeLong term (8+ weeks)
Kaine BaldwinKneeLong term (8+ weeks)
Updated Wednesday, June 16

So by the North game we theoretically should only have 5 on the injury list barring more injuries.
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They mentioned that Zaka is right for next week against Melbourne. Hoping Snelling will be too.

They didn’t sound too confident on Wright. Think he’ll be next week too. Draper and Smith should be good this week. Cutler the sub potentially.

Shiel I think has recovered and they’re now trying to build fitness and intensity. Maybe a chance
 
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Probably getting some key guys back at important stages.
Whilst it sucks McGrath goes down Shiel coming back soon to help the midfield and Smith and Snelling to keep that forward pressure up will help us hopefully remain consistent through the back half of the year.

Be really good if we can just have more of the same as the first half of the year.
Will be good to look back and say we played a full year of games with consistent effort instead of the big drop offs in form we have had previously.
Now obviously there are dips, even the best teams have them but they don't get blown off the park like we have in previous years.
Improvement in that area would be a big tick for the fitness and health management of the group.
 

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Probably getting some key guys back at important stages.
Whilst it sucks McGrath goes down Shiel coming back soon to help the midfield and Smith and Snelling to keep that forward pressure up will help us hopefully remain consistent through the back half of the year.

Be really good if we can just have more of the same as the first half of the year.
Will be good to look back and say we played a full year of games with consistent effort instead of the big drop offs in form we have had previously.
Now obviously there are dips, even the best teams have them but they don't get blown off the park like we have in previous years.
Improvement in that area would be a big tick for the fitness and health management of the group.
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Port, Brisbane and the Tigers in the end were not very friendly margins, but I agree that in general we don't look like we're getting blown off the park. We were in front in the last against Richmond so that was really only 10 minutes worth of damage. Perhaps 10 minutes at the start and 10 minutes at the end, since we spent the whole game trying to catch up.

Port was round 2, got us by the scruff in the first quarter, then we lost three key players from the midfield within 25 minutes of each other and it was just a trainwreck after that. Heppell was also withdrawn from that game and Stewart was still injured so our backline was missing a couple of what we would now consider our best 6/7. We would sort of fight back a bit and it was one step forward, two steps back for the rest of the game.

Brisbane was round 5, that one just got incrementally worse for the entire game. I barely remember that game 🤔 Looks like we gave away a lot of frees... Oh yeah, that was Reid's first game. Pissing rain and only one team brought the grippo. We seemed totally unprepared for tropical Brisbane that day.

But since round 5 we haven't had that as much. Still dropped a couple that we shouldn't have but it wasn't a flogging.
 
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Port, Brisbane and the Tigers in the end were not very friendly margins, but I agree that in general we don't look like we're getting blown off the park. We were in front in the last against Richmond so that was really only 10 minutes worth of damage. Perhaps 10 minutes at the start and 10 minutes at the end, since we spent the whole game trying to catch up.

Port was round 2, got us by the scruff in the first quarter, then we lost three key players from the midfield within 25 minutes of each other and it was just a trainwreck after that. Heppell was also withdrawn from that game and Stewart was still injured so our backline was missing a couple of what we would now consider our best 6/7. We would sort of fight back a bit and it was one step forward, two steps back for the rest of the game.

Brisbane was round 5, that one just got incrementally worse for the entire game. I barely remember that game 🤔 Looks like we gave away a lot of frees... Oh yeah, that was Reid's first game. Pissing rain and only one team brought the grippo. We seemed totally unprepared for tropical Brisbane that day.

But since round 5 we haven't had that as much. Still dropped a couple that we shouldn't have but it wasn't a flogging.
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Yep there are reasons (not excuses) for the 3 big blowout losses we have had. All top teams too.
In previous years it would look as if the team had hit a wall and we would just look low for weeks. It would be mid tier teams beating up on us, or dropping games to bottom sides
Remember the times when June would hit and we would fall off a cliff?

At the moment, and yes it's only halfway through the year.
But we seem to have a consistent level of play. It doesn't deviate much. It might not stack up talent wise, experience or match hardness wise with the top teams but our level doesn't seem to dip too much, both during games and weeks.

That has to come down a bit to being prepared for AFL football so some big ticks so far for list health management by Murphy.
 
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Available forwards: Waterman (test), Zaharakis (test), Eyre, Ambrose, Johnson

Available rucks: Phillips, Bryan

Available mids: Cutler, Durham*

Available defenders: Francis (?), Reid, Gleeson, McBride**, Brand, Hird***

*Durham. Apparently training as a defender, and also apparently doesn't have a midfielder's tank.
**McBride. Apparently playing VFL as a tall forward, kicked 3 goals?
***Hird. Don't really know what his role will be, and apparently he's quite green. Theoretically a defender last I heard.
 
Okay, so hopefully Heppell, Francis (AFL) and Phillips (VFL) will be available next week, as well as Langford, which would leave us with:

Baldwin (joined full training, maybe VFL in a fortnight?)
Caldwell (Last two games at best)
Hurley (year)
McGrath (see Caldwell)
Mosquito (year)
Reid (year)

left on the injury list. Which probably moves Gleeson or Cutler to sub. Which means theoretically in the VFL next week we could have all of:

Gleeson (Heppell), Zaharakis, Bryan, Cahill, Ambrose, Zerk-Thatcher, Eyre, Ham (Francis), Phillips, Johnson, Clarke, Brand, McBride, Durham and Hird
 
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Okay, so hopefully Heppell, Francis (AFL) and Phillips (VFL) will be available next week, as well as Langford, which would leave us with:

Baldwin (joined full training, maybe VFL in a fortnight?)
Caldwell (Last two games at best)
Hurley (year)
McGrath (see Caldwell)
Mosquito (year)
Reid (year)

left on the injury list. Which probably moves Gleeson or Cutler to sub. Which means theoretically in the VFL next week we could have all of:

Gleeson (Heppell), Zaharakis, Bryan, Cahill, Ambrose, Zerk-Thatcher, Eyre, Ham (Francis), Phillips, Johnson, Clarke, Brand, McBride, Durham and Hird
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Shiel?
 

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