2020 Consensus 22: name the team FFS

[gandaal]

Marchbank or Simpson?

SPS on a wing?

Newman was pretty good last year. Yes he has flaws, but he looked best 22.

 

[BlueView]

I Just don’t think Simmo would have been offered another contract if he wasn’t going to play the majority of the year in the ones, club would have tapped him on the shoulder

 

[iAsbestos]

Newman

 

[ferrisb]

Amazing to think that after Cripps is selected, Walsh is the next one you lock in automatically for the midfield.

#WhatAGun

 

[CJMB]

Amazing to think that after Cripps is selected, Walsh is the next one you lock in automatically for the midfield.

#WhatAGun

I think it'll be a pretty clear cut top 5 - PC, SW, WS, MM & EC - and possibly one favourite for bench spot (ZF) after which it really opens up.

 

[goreds]

I Just don’t think Simmo would have been offered another contract if he wasn’t going to play the majority of the year in the ones, club would have tapped him on the shoulder

Absolutely love that Avatar..

 

[ferrisb]

I think it'll be a pretty clear cut top 5 - PC, SW, WS, MM & EC - and possibly one favourite for bench spot (ZF) after which it really opens up.

That's how I see it.

Although food for thought - is Setterfield the automatic selection many assume?

Same age/draft as Fisher.

Last year Fisher had more touches, more goals, more clearances, more 1%ers. Line-ball tackles, I50, R50. Fisher had less clangers, despite more touches and playing more inside.

Now I know Setterfield was coming back from injury, he got better as the year went on and he has more upside...... So you're selecting him on potential. BUT even given Fisher's 'disappointing' season, he had higher output than Setters. And much better than Gibbons (being played out position), O'Brien and so on.

 

[ferrisb]

Absolutely love that Avatar..

#EarlsHurls

 

[Stamos]

I think it'll be a pretty clear cut top 5 - PC, SW, WS, MM & EC - and possibly one favourite for bench spot (ZF) after which it really opens up.

Yes, 5 absolute locks, and then it gets really difficult.

I figure we have to have at least one genuine wingman, and although Walsh and Setters played that role at times last year, I think they're both going inside. So one of O'Brien or Newnes. You could play both.

And then the last spot, likely Dow V Fisher, but pressure from Kennedy and Stocker

 

[JuddgementDay]

That's how I see it.

Although food for thought - is Setterfield the automatic selection many assume?

Same age/draft as Fisher.

Last year Fisher had more touches, more goals, more clearances, more 1%ers. Line-ball tackles, I50, R50. Fisher had less clangers, despite more touches and playing more inside.

Now I know Setterfield was coming back from injury, he got better as the year went on and he has more upside...... So you're selecting him on potential. BUT even given Fisher's 'disappointing' season, he had higher output than Setters. And much better than Gibbons (being played out position), O'Brien and so on.

Where is that gif - why not both?
Fisher and Setters

 

[JuddgementDay]

The first 6 selections were pretty obvious for me, but I've had a bit of problem with the 7th.
I went with LOB, but could have gone for:
Newnes - great backup!
Dow - need to prove himself
Gibbons - another great backup!
Stocker - need a bit more time
Williamson - feels like he should be in the team, if fit. But, can't get him into any lines!

 

[HaydossJ]

Cripps, Curnow, and Murphy starting centre.

Walsh & Newnes starting wing.

LOB & Setterfield rotating. Cunners & Martin with 5 minute bursts.

No room for Gibbons or Fisher which feels wrong.

 

[I bleed Blue]

Polson gonna be stiff to miss here

 

[Stamos]

No room for Gibbons or Fisher which feels wrong.

Maybe a little on the latter.
But genuine pressure for spots is a fantastic thing.

 

[Jeremias]

As I have said all along, mids are relatively easy IMO, to start the year anyway.

Cripps
Walsh
Ed
Murphy
Setterfield
Newnes
Fisher

Was tempted to vote for Newman, he will be in the side.

Dow, LOB to start the year at VFL level.

 

[HaydossJ]

As I have said all along, mids are relatively easy IMO, to start the year anyway.

Cripps
Walsh
Ed
Murphy
Setterfield
Newnes
Fisher

Was tempted to vote for Newman, he will be in the side.

Dow, LOB to start the year at VFL level.

Who do you have rotating on the wing with Walsh and Newnes?

 

[Jeremias]

Who do you have rotating on the wing with Walsh and Newnes?

Newnes
Walsh
Murphy
Ed
Fisher
Setterfield
Cunningham
Martin
Newman
Williamson
LOB
Cottrell

Not all will play every week, but we have plenty of rotations.

 

[El Topo]

R: Cripps ECurnow
C: Walsh Murphy Setterfield
IC: Gibbons O'Brien

Time for the young boys to earn their spots!

 

[Stamos]

That's how I see it.

Although food for thought - is Setterfield the automatic selection many assume?

Same age/draft as Fisher.

Last year Fisher had more touches, more goals, more clearances, more 1%ers. Line-ball tackles, I50, R50. Fisher had less clangers, despite more touches and playing more inside.

Now I know Setterfield was coming back from injury, he got better as the year went on and he has more upside...... So you're selecting him on potential. BUT even given Fisher's 'disappointing' season, he had higher output than Setters. And much better than Gibbons (being played out position), O'Brien and so on.

Setterfield is a certainty.

How did their stats compare in the second half of the season?

 

[HaydossJ]

Newnes
Walsh
Murphy
Ed
Fisher
Setterfield
Cunningham
Martin
Newman
Williamson
LOB
Cottrell

Not all will play every week, but we have plenty of rotations.

I mean in game rotation. Walsh and Newnes can’t play 100% TOG. We need a 3rd wingman coming off the bench as Setterfield seems primed for an inside move. Fisher doesn’t have that capacity which is why LOB or Gibbons seems the more logical choice IMO.

 

[Stamos]

R: Cripps ECurnow
C: Walsh Murphy Setterfield
IC: Gibbons O'Brien

Time for the young boys to earn their spots!

Just can’t see Gibbbons beating out all of Fisher, Dow, Newnes, Kennedy

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Gibbons criminally underrated for mine. Would pick him every week.

 

[Stamos]

I mean in game rotation. Walsh and Newnes can’t play 100% TOG. We need a 3rd wingman coming off the bench as Setterfield seems primed for an inside move. Fisher doesn’t have that capacity which is why LOB or Gibbons seems the more logical choice IMO.

Generally, one of the wingmen will go towards the contest, the 2 wings won’t play the same role. So at times, Murphy, Setterfield, Ed, Martin, Cuners can have time on the wing.

But we definitely need at least one of LOB or Newnes

 

[Ald Gardiner]

Marchbank or Simpson?

SPS on a wing?

Newman was pretty good last year. Yes he has flaws, but he looked best 22.

Agree he looked best 22 based on list last year, but does he get a gig this year with Doch, Marchbank, etc being available again? The only way I have him in best 22 is if grandpa Simmo hits the wall sooner than we expect, then Newman comes in at some stage to take his gig. Many of us have him right on the cusp which says plenty for this depth thingy we now have

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The Carlton Consensus Best 22 is returning for the 2020 season. After a stellar 3 threepeat from Matty411 I’ve been passed the baton & hopefully won’t drop the ball too often.

We’ve endured the highs & lows of the FA, DFA, trade & draft periods & come out the other end with a complete list of 45 players; 39 on the senior list, 5 Cat A rookies & Owies the Cat B.

There were 9 changes to the final list from 2019 compared to this time last year, plus a couple of mid-season retirements:

Departed: D Thomas, A Fasolo, M Lobbe, J Garlett, A Schumacher, P Kerr, A Phillips, K LeBois, J Pickett, T Bugg, J Deluca*.

New/returned/off-LTI Blues: S Docherty**, M Gibbons*, M Cottrell*, J Deluca*, E Betts, J Newnes, M Pittonet, J Martin, B Kemp, S Philp, S Ramsay, J Honey, F Phillips.

*Joined the list after the previous consensus 22. Deluca obviously signing on and being delisted in the same period.
**Docherty removed from the LTI list!


Last year Matty said 2019 “…looms as the most interesting, open and contentious Best 22 selection process yet for our club – a shining indication of the excellent young list we’re building.”

I’d say 2020 takes that a couple of steps further and there will be some bloody unlucky players to miss out this year. This will undoubtedly be the hardest to date.

For those new to this thread, here’s out it goes down:

The Rules
We will be choosing the best available 22 players to hypothetically line up for Round 1, 2020 against the Tigers at the MCG – essentially, our best starting team on paper. We’ll go through each area of the ground: first the defenders; then the mids (and ruck); then our forwards; and finally the makeup of our bench and emergencies.

As always, we have to use a few assumptions as guides:

1. All players will be fit and eligible for the round one side, this includes Charlie, Harry, Caleb & Brodie (hopefully no one else deserves mention here).
2. We will need a healthy balance of players in each part of the ground i.e. balance of talls/smalls to make a realistic starting side. You must nominate a genuine ruckman in the midfield group.
3. There are no indiscretions among players leading to disqualification from selection
4. Rookies [A + B] can be selected – any player on our current list of 44
5. You should independently choose who you believe will be the best players in each respective position to help us win Round 1 against the old enemy – and likely to continue to be a big part of our team for 2020

Here’s the results of the previous couple of years so we can track our evolution:

Consensus 2018 Lineup
FB: Ciaran Byrne (98) - Liam Jones (156) - Lachie Plowman (161)
HB: Caleb Marchbank (164) - Jacob Weitering (156) - Kade Simpson (150)
C: Sam Petrevski-Seton (175) - Ed Curnow (157) - Marc Murphy (175)
HF: Charlie Curnow (150) - Levi Casboult (108) - Jarrod Pickett (143)
FF: Matthew Wright (119) - Harry McKay (101) - Jack Silvagni (135)
R: Matthew Kreuzer (181) - Patrick Cripps (183) - Matthew Kennedy (177)
I: Tom Williamson (76) - David Cuningham (67) - Zac Fisher (64) - Paddy Dow (67)
EMG: Darcy Lang (66) - Jarrod Garlett (39) - Aaron Mullett (19)

Consensus 2019 Lineup
FB: Lachie Plowman (121) - Liam Jones (110) - Kade Simpson (146)
HB: Tom Williamson (105) - Jacob Weitering (150) - Caleb Marchbank (151)
C: Marc Murphy (99) - Ed Curnow (104) - Zac Fisher (118)
HF: Mitch McGovern (147) - Charlie Curnow (149) - S. Petrevski-Seton (114)
FF: Will Setterfield (53) - Harry McKay (149) - Alex Fasolo (116)
R: Matthew Kreuzer (132) - Patrick Cripps (152) - Paddy Dow (144)
I: Nic Newman (87) - Matthew Kennedy (87) - Jarrod Pickett (51) - Sam Walsh (40)
EMG: Lochie O'Brien (17) - Dale Thomas (8) - David Cuningham (6) - Tomas Bugg (2)

Consensus 2019 Lineup
FB: Lachie Plowman (134) - Liam Jones (148) - Kade Simpson (117)
HB: Sam Docherty (146) - Jacob Weitering (148) - Caleb Marchbank (111)
C:
HF: Mitch McGovern (146) - Harry McKay (150) - Jack Martin (143)
FF: Eddie Betts (149) - Charlie Curnow (147) - David Cuningham (121)
FOL:
INT: Sam Petrevski-Seton (94) - Jack Silvagni (80)
EMG: Nic Newman (91) - Zac Fisher (40)


Voting
1. We will vote for the 6 best backs (starters) and your rotation player for bench spot #1 - VOTING CLOSED
2. We will vote for the 6 starting forwards and your rotation player for get bench spot #2 - VOTING CLOSED
3. We will then vote for 5 starting mids and your rotation midfielders for bench spots #3 & #4
4. We'll then have a quick vote for the ruckman.
5. The emergencies will be the 8th ranked player for each position including the highest voted non-22 ruck-capable player .
6. Players will be ruled out for following position/s once successful in a particular area of the ground of account of us not being able to have two of the same player.

Consensus 2019 Lineup
FB: Lachie Plowman (134) - Liam Jones (148) - Kade Simpson (117)
HB: Sam Docherty (146) - Jacob Weitering (148) - Caleb Marchbank (111)
C:
HF: Mitch McGovern (146) - Harry McKay (150) - Jack Martin (143)
FF: Eddie Betts (149) - Charlie Curnow (147) - David Cuningham (121)
FOL:
INT: Sam Petrevski-Seton (94) - Jack Silvagni (80)
EMG: Nic Newman (91) - Zac Fisher (40)

AM I blind or is Kennedy neither in the votes up the top or the pre-confirmed 22? CJMB should the Fisher on the bench in the current line up be Kennedy or should Kennedy be in this vote instead of Fisher?