Unofficial Preview 2020 Draft Discussion

Chief · Dec 7, 2020

Get on it

MJA33 · Dec 7, 2020

Orourke A Hawk said:
When is Cal’s final phantom draft out?

He teased it about a hour ago, won’t be far away (not that I am waiting / refreshing every minute) haha

TylerDurden · Dec 7, 2020

Cal still ironing it out. It's even got him rattled.

Davo-27 · Dec 7, 2020

so on the Podcast on the Hawks website, Mark McKenzie said we are planning to take 4 picks at the draft, leaving a spot open for some players to train and earn a spot and maybe a rookie because we have 6 open list spots i believe.

he hinted 3 picks definitely with a possible 4th pick if the right player was available, expecting that the 4th pick would come late matching Downie's bid most likely.

Roby · Dec 7, 2020

HolyRioli said:
From all the reading I’ve been able to gather, the closest Phillips comparison I’ve been able to draw a line to who’s played in Hawks colours is Crawf - is this about right or am I off base a little?

I'd say more like "The Rat"

dermott · Dec 7, 2020

Roby said:
I'd say more like "The Rat"

If he can emulate Crawf and the Rat we will be delighted, even if he is not a fashionable “big bodied mid”.

kenneje · Dec 7, 2020

HolyRioli said:
From all the reading I’ve been able to gather, the closest Phillips comparison I’ve been able to draw a line to who’s played in Hawks colours is Crawf - is this about right or am I off base a little?

I can't think of anyone at Hawthorn that reminds of me him massively.

Plays a lot like Luke Shuey/Lachie Neale/Zak Butters.
Controls the tempo of the midfield.

Judd2Sewell · Dec 7, 2020

m0zza said:
Few of you would benefit from rewatching the 2008 GF
X Ellis was pretty important especially first half

He was great that day. He's still no comparison to Dependlebury though.

westhawk · Dec 7, 2020

On the Fox Sports site, they have Eddie Ford going at 33, would be a great get at our pick 24 if available.

List Manager · Dec 7, 2020

No thanks for Phillips....too much same same as O'Meara, Mitchell and Worpel for mine.
It's either Hollands (think he goes to North at 2 though) or taking Perkins as a stretch.
Happy to pass on Phillips (and Thilthorpe for that matter) for Archie Perkins upside (similar to what the Dogs did with Bontempelli in his draft year and that turned out well for them).
I see Phillips as a bit of a bust at AFL level if taken inside the top 5....I've seen it far too often with his type of midfielder not really progressing to AFL level.
Thilthorpe to be the slider to Essendon on the night.

Priorities:

Elijah Hollands
Archie Perkins

List Manager · Dec 7, 2020

Judd2Sewell said:
He was great that day. He's still no comparison to Dependlebury though.

I was actually thinking that Elijah Hollands may have a bit of Pendlebury about him....here's hoping!

xmarksthespot · Dec 7, 2020

List Manager said:
No thanks for Phillips....too much same same as O'Meara, Mitchell and Worpel for mine.
It's either Hollands (think he goes to North at 2 though) or taking Perkins as a stretch.
Happy to pass on Phillips (and Thilthorpe for that matter) for Archie Perkins upside (similar to what the Dogs did with Bontempelli in his draft year and that turned out well for them).
I see Phillips as a bit of a bust at AFL level if taken inside the top 5....I've seen it far too often with his type of midfielder not really progressing to AFL level.
Thilthorpe to be the slider to Essendon on the night.

Priorities:

Brodie Hollands
Archie Perkins

Brodie's a little old for a draftee isn't he?

Bugs1977 · Dec 7, 2020

killerspud said:
Nah we'd be screwed

Roby · Dec 7, 2020

List Manager said:
No thanks for Phillips....too much same same as O'Meara, Mitchell and Worpel for mine.
It's either Hollands (think he goes to North at 2 though) or taking Perkins as a stretch.
Happy to pass on Phillips (and Thilthorpe for that matter) for Archie Perkins upside (similar to what the Dogs did with Bontempelli in his draft year and that turned out well for them).
I see Phillips as a bit of a bust at AFL level if taken inside the top 5....I've seen it far too often with his type of midfielder not really progressing to AFL level.
Thilthorpe to be the slider to Essendon on the night.

Priorities:

Brodie Hollands
Archie Perkins

Don't you think Dutchie is a bit old?

Billyc · Dec 7, 2020

List Manager said:
No thanks for Phillips....too much same same as O'Meara, Mitchell and Worpel for mine.
It's either Hollands (think he goes to North at 2 though) or taking Perkins as a stretch.
Happy to pass on Phillips (and Thilthorpe for that matter) for Archie Perkins upside (similar to what the Dogs did with Bontempelli in his draft year and that turned out well for them).
I see Phillips as a bit of a bust at AFL level if taken inside the top 5....I've seen it far too often with his type of midfielder not really progressing to AFL level.
Thilthorpe to be the slider to Essendon on the night.

Priorities:

Brodie Hollands
Archie Perkins

It all swings both ways though. Perkins hasn't got the proven performance, especially in the midfield. He's a gun athlete with great attributes but he could just as easily be the next Gary Rohan rather than the next Bont. I'd be very surprised if Phillips is a bust.

List Manager · Dec 7, 2020

xmarksthespot said:
Brodie's a little old for a draftee isn't he?

What in gods name was I thinking....twice!

matsta1975 · Dec 7, 2020

kenneje said:
I can't think of anyone at Hawthorn that reminds of me him massively.

Plays a lot like Luke Shuey

13

Luke Shuey

Age
35

Ht

184cm

Wt
89kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D
23.7

5

K
13.0

5

HB
10.7

5

M
3.3

3

T
4.9

5

CL
5.6

5

D
18.7

4

K
10.8

4

HB
7.8

4

M
2.8

3

T
2.7

4

CL
4.3

5

D
17.0

5

K
9.2

4

HB
7.8

5

M
3.0

3

T
2.8

5

CL
1.4

4

/Lachie Neale

9

Lachie Neale

Age
33

Ht

177cm

Wt
84kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D
27.0

5

K
11.5

4

HB
15.5

5

M
4.0

4

T
3.7

5

CL
5.9

5

D
28.3

5

K
13.9

5

HB
14.4

5

M
4.6

4

T
4.0

5

CL
5.9

5

D
12.0

3

K
4.6

2

HB
7.4

5

M
2.0

3

T
1.0

3

CL
0.4

3

/Zak Butters

9

Zak Butters

Age
25

Ht

181cm

Wt
77kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D
14.3

4

K
7.7

3

HB
6.7

4

M
3.0

3

T
2.6

4

CL
0.8

3

D
14.7

4

K
8.9

4

HB
5.9

3

M
3.9

4

T
2.9

4

CL
1.1

3

D
17.0

5

K
9.0

4

HB
8.0

5

M
3.6

4

T
1.6

4

CL
0.6

3

.
Controls the tempo of the midfield.

Luke Ball prior to injury

Blackhawk42 · Dec 7, 2020

List Manager said:
No thanks for Phillips....too much same same as O'Meara, Mitchell and Worpel for mine.
It's either Hollands (think he goes to North at 2 though) or taking Perkins as a stretch.
Happy to pass on Phillips (and Thilthorpe for that matter) for Archie Perkins upside (similar to what the Dogs did with Bontempelli in his draft year and that turned out well for them).
I see Phillips as a bit of a bust at AFL level if taken inside the top 5....I've seen it far too often with his type of midfielder not really progressing to AFL level.
Thilthorpe to be the slider to Essendon on the night.

Priorities:

Elijah Hollands
Archie Perkins

Out of curiosity who is your comparison to Phillips for being a bust?

A Jimmy Toumpas/Jono O'rourke type who never looks comfortable and is gone within 4 years?

Or a Jack Billings type who will be a solid 200 game footballer but will always be a 'bust' due to being taken a pick before the Bont?

HAWKSBESTEVA · Dec 7, 2020

Jeez cal is taking his time!!

kenneje · Dec 7, 2020

HAWKSBESTEVA said:
Jeez cal is taking his time!!

Surely the campaigner drops it at 5 oclock!

kenneje · Dec 7, 2020

https://www.afl.com.au/video/527255...dal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1607317200001

I'm all in on Phillips. We need our next Hodge/Burgoyne/Mitchell/Lewis that can lead us into the future.

HAWKSBESTEVA · Dec 7, 2020

kenneje said:
Surely the campaigner drops it at 5 oclock!

Said 3 hours ago it was nearly time!

Stratton24 · Dec 7, 2020

HAWKSBESTEVA said:
Said 3 hours ago it was nearly time!

It’s his rockstar moment.

TylerDurden · Dec 7, 2020

List Manager · Dec 7, 2020

Blackhawk42 said:
Out of curiosity who is your comparison to Phillips for being a bust?

A Jimmy Toumpas

Jimmy Toumpas

Age
32

Ht

183cm

Wt
82kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D
14.4

4

K
7.6

3

HB
6.7

4

M
3.3

3

T
2.7

4

CL
0.8

3

No current season stats available

D
7.0

2

K
4.0

2

HB
3.0

3

M
1.8

2

T
2.4

4

CL
0.2

2

/Jono O'rourke type who never looks comfortable and is gone within 4 years?

Or a Jack Billings

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Jack Billings

Age
30

Ht

185cm

Wt
81kg

Pos.
M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D
21.3

5

K
11.5

4

HB
9.8

5

M
5.1

5

T
2.9

4

CL
1.3

3

D
19.7

5

K
11.7

5

HB
8.0

4

M
4.7

4

T
2.9

4

CL
2.3

4

D
13.8

4

K
9.2

4

HB
4.6

4

M
5.2

5

T
1.6

4

CL
0.0

1

type who will be a solid 200 game footballer but will always be a 'bust' due to being taken a pick before the Bont?

As in just a good honest solid contributor rather than a standout top 5 drafted star.
My original post probably not worded that well when suggesting he’d be a “bust”. What I’m trying to say is that I think he will become a similar type to a Seb Ross

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