Position 2020 Forwards

[Andrewy]

Is it wrong that I got a semi after seeing that?

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Is it wrong that I got a semi after seeing that?

Only half wrong ...

 

[gutsroy]

Feel like I’m missing something on Whitfield.
Injury was known a while back, back in training yes, all good and hunky dory, but it’s an ankle reconstruction in a bloke who’s made of balsa wood to begin with, has thirty five bazillion midfield mates returning to the side or coming off uncompromised preseasons, yet people don’t seem to bat an eyelid at paying 600k plus for him against that backdrop.
Guess I’m back on the crazy pills again.

 

[Deliverance]

Whitfield scored a 101 and a 170 in his two games after coming back from being hurt last season, and thats without 6 months to get right.

If he's playing, his fitness/ankle isn't a factor for me. Price the only concern, as I suspect he will be at 100% by round 1.

Petracca on the other hand....not sure I'd be comfortable starting him even if he averages 200 all preseason. Dude has burnt me two years running, including the 2018 run where he missed 2/3 games (one of which because of a "dog bite"), only to return for back to back 40's. Nope.

You're in for a triple burn then when he goes 100 ppg.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Feel like I’m missing something on Whitfield.
Injury was known a while back, back in training yes, all good and hunky dory, but it’s an ankle reconstruction in a bloke who’s made of balsa wood to begin with, has thirty five bazillion midfield mates returning to the side or coming off uncompromised preseasons, yet people don’t seem to bat an eyelid at paying 600k plus for him against that backdrop.
Guess I’m back on the crazy pills again.

Quiet of few fellers have dropped Whitfield.
Yes he's expensive and yet to play out a full year at this stage.
But the guy is a freak he should play and a wing.
Ward I don't think he's ready for Rd one.
Cogs will play 60/40 spilt.

 

[gutsroy]

There are way to do like a multi-option poll? Would be Interesting to see who's going how many of the Trac / Gwood / Gresham / Wingard ... FWD types.

 

[gutsroy]

Quiet of few fellers have dropped Whitfield.
Yes he's expensive and yet to play out a full year at this stage.
But the guy is a freak he should play and a wing.
Ward I don't think he's ready for Rd one.
Cogs will play 60/40 spilt.

Yeah, not ruling him out, would like to see how he looks, just doesn't seem anything like a Lockie Whitfield to me.
If he's right and role is right, not having him could really hurt - top notch ton ratio.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Feel like I’m missing something on Whitfield.
Injury was known a while back, back in training yes, all good and hunky dory, but it’s an ankle reconstruction in a bloke who’s made of balsa wood to begin with, has thirty five bazillion midfield mates returning to the side or coming off uncompromised preseasons, yet people don’t seem to bat an eyelid at paying 600k plus for him against that backdrop.
Guess I’m back on the crazy pills again.

Hes got insane ownership percentage 57% of some shit. Makes him the ulitmate anti POD

 

[gutsroy]

Hes got insane ownership percentage 57% of some shit. Makes him the ulitmate anti POD

Saucy. Delectable.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

Feel like I’m missing something on Whitfield.
Injury was known a while back, back in training yes, all good and hunky dory, but it’s an ankle reconstruction in a bloke who’s made of balsa wood to begin with, has thirty five bazillion midfield mates returning to the side or coming off uncompromised preseasons, yet people don’t seem to bat an eyelid at paying 600k plus for him against that backdrop.
Guess I’m back on the crazy pills again.

Apart from him and Martin, which players are you confident of being top-10 forwards at years end? Maybe Heeney (could get Horse'd again), maybe Walters (mid time uncertain)? Apart from those two I think it's a huge toss-up.

You probably need 2-3 keepers, otherwise you're going to be burning trades left right and centre unless you nail a bunch of mid-pricers.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Apart from him and Martin, which players are you confident of being top-10 forwards at years end? Maybe Heeney (could get Horse'd again), maybe Walters (mid time uncertain)? Apart from those two I think it's a huge toss-up.

You probably need 2-3 keepers, otherwise you're going to be burning trades left right and centre unless you nail a bunch of mid-pricers.

I'm all for it.

 

[MowShow]

Feel like I’m missing something on Whitfield.
Injury was known a while back, back in training yes, all good and hunky dory, but it’s an ankle reconstruction in a bloke who’s made of balsa wood to begin with, has thirty five bazillion midfield mates returning to the side or coming off uncompromised preseasons, yet people don’t seem to bat an eyelid at paying 600k plus for him against that backdrop.
Guess I’m back on the crazy pills again.

Fair points, however you have to think that if he is playing from round 1 that he is ready to go and the ankle isn't a concern.

I also can't see how any of the returning players would impact/reduce his scoring capacity by much. They're different types of players and he has played with them all before and still scored well/got plenty of the ball.

If you take out the two games in which he got injured mid game, here are his numbers from last year:

• 119.2 average over 14 matches
• 100+ in 11/14
• 150+ 3 times
• 86 season low

There's really no other forward which can offer anywhere near that output.

The next highest averaging from last year are Walters and Martin who both averaged a tick over 100. So even if you think Whitfield's scoring will reduce by 10 points for whatever reason, the next best are still a 10pt average below what he would be producing. The only other comparable drop-off from one player to the next best (in the same position) across the entire league, is the difference between Grundy/Gawn and the next best ruck, and I think everyone would agree those two were a huge upgrade on any other rucks last year.

 

[gutsroy]

Fair points, however you have to think that if he is playing from round 1 that he is ready to go and the ankle isn't a concern.

I also can't see how any of the returning players would impact/reduce his scoring capacity by much. They're different types of players and he has played with them all before and still scored well/got plenty of the ball.

If you take out the two games in which he got injured mid game, here are his numbers from last year:

• 119.2 average over 14 matches
• 100+ in 11/14
• 150+ 3 times
• 86 season low

There's really no other forward which can offer anywhere near that output.

The next highest averaging from last year are Walters and Martin who both averaged a tick over 100. So even if you think Whitfield's scoring will reduce by 10 points for whatever reason, the next best are still a 10pt average below what he would be producing. The only other comparable drop-off from one player to the next best (in the same position) across the entire league, is the difference between Grundy/Gawn and the next best ruck, and I think everyone would agree those two were a huge upgrade on any other rucks last year.

No argument in terms of his upper-end output; over recent years, his output at that 100+ range has been top notch, see below (Whit + Dusty highlighted).
Would just argue that there are factors that warrant considering whether he is a must-have starter or there is a possibility to go the early upgrade route.
Depends on how you see the efficiency of spend, I guess, am just not as bullish on that front as others seem to be.

 

[gutsroy]

Apart from him and Martin, which players are you confident of being top-10 forwards at years end? Maybe Heeney (could get Horse'd again), maybe Walters (mid time uncertain)? Apart from those two I think it's a huge toss-up.

You probably need 2-3 keepers, otherwise you're going to be burning trades left right and centre unless you nail a bunch of mid-pricers.

That’s true.
With a potentially reasonable option like Devon Smith alongside a decent F1 and F2, using S Hill as a FWD etc., there are ways of making the initial fwd line a little less frail. And with it looking like there might be a need to have a few 180+k types, can’t personally find a structure I like with realistic rookie types, other priority premos and Whitfield.
He seems a reasonable chance to start off slowly (might change, we’ll see).
If others can, good luck to them

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Gresham transitioned from a small forward in 2018 to split his time between the midfield and forward line with the Saints last year.

He now has his sights set on playing predominantly as a midfielder in 2020 on the back of a trouble-free summer on the track.

“I’ve had one of my first full pre-seasons since I got to the club so I’ve been able to get fitter and stronger,” Gresham said.

“Hopefully I can play that 80-20 midfield-forward mix and get a bit more time through the midfield.”

 

[Deliverance]

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Gresham transitioned from a small forward in 2018 to split his time between the midfield and forward line with the Saints last year.

He now has his sights set on playing predominantly as a midfielder in 2020 on the back of a trouble-free summer on the track.

“I’ve had one of my first full pre-seasons since I got to the club so I’ve been able to get fitter and stronger,” Gresham said.

“Hopefully I can play that 80-20 midfield-forward mix and get a bit more time through the midfield.”

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****s sake. I've already got 4 midpricers in my fwd line and had to shift Whitfield to the mids to fit them in.

 

[MrChristo]

That’s true.

If others can, good luck to them

I can with Daw down back...

Edit: @ D3!

 

[TheMcManusNose]

That’s true.
With a potentially reasonable option like Devon Smith alongside a decent F1 and F2, using S Hill as a FWD etc., there are ways of making the initial fwd line a little less frail. And with it looking like there might be a need to have a few 180+k types, can’t personally find a structure I like with realistic rookie types, other priority premos and Whitfield.
He seems a reasonable chance to start off slowly (might change, we’ll see).
If others can, good luck to them

Fair enough.

I have Hill down back so hence a bit different. I also think Dev is a good chance at a keeper. Reckon you need 3 fwd and back that are either certain keepers or 80% chance of it.

Like a lot of the super premos, there's always going to be a time to grab them cheaper, but I can't spare the trades to do it for more than a couple.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I can with Daw down back...

Edit: @ D3!

m8. Review your game against the Roos from last week, pay attention to Majak's 'performance', delete him from your team, and then give yourself an uppercut.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

m8. Review your game against the Roos from last week, pay attention to Majak's 'performance', delete him from your team, and then give yourself an uppercut.

I hope everyone else is using the first round of the Marsh Cup as the definitive Supercoach selection criterion.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I hope everyone else is using the first round of the Marsh Cup as the definitive Supercoach selection criterion.

m8. Carn. The poor bloke played like he'd never seen a football before. Shaw has brought him back way too early.

If he even gets a game Round 1 I'd be surprised. If he turns out to be a good Supercoach pick I'd be flabbergasted.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

m8. Carn. The poor bloke played like he'd never seen a football before. Shaw has brought him back way too early.

If he even gets a game Round 1 I'd be surprised. If he turns out to be a good Supercoach pick I'd be flabbergasted.

I don't think he's SC relevant, but perhaps judge him on the 20 senior games prior to a smashed hip and pelvis, rather than the first one back.

He couldn't get near it, sure, but he's otherwise had really good pre-season form. He'll play Rd 1.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I don't think he's SC relevant, but perhaps judge him on the 20 senior games prior to a smashed hip and pelvis, rather than the first one back.

He couldn't get near it, sure, but he's otherwise had really good pre-season form. He'll play Rd 1.

But that's the thing though, the smashed hips and pelvis did happen, and that can't be understated. The guy is trying to come back from an injury that makes an ACL look like a stubbed toe.

Full credit to Majak for even being able to walk again, let alone run around and play sport, but you can't just assume that he's gonna come back from an injury that serious and recapture his best form at the elite level.

 

[gutsroy]

Fair enough.

I have Hill down back so hence a bit different. I also think Dev is a good chance at a keeper. Reckon you need 3 fwd and back that are either certain keepers or 80% chance of it.

Like a lot of the super premos, there's always going to be a time to grab them cheaper, but I can't spare the trades to do it for more than a couple.

Sounds like Dev Smith is being played forward so far. That would be a hard sell is it's a sign of things to come

 

[SC fish]

Sounds like Dev Smith is being played forward so far. That would be a hard sell is it's a sign of things to come

I don't care I need mid pricers and I need them now