List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Eiffel 65]

Why wasn't Weitering included? Maynard?

Papley was good enough to be in the squad of 40, so therefore in the elite category for his position.

However, the overarching answer to your question is that the AA selectors are ******* morons.

Because Weitering and Maynard aren't the best for their position.

Only Carlton supporters would have Weitering in the 22. Everyone else would have Moore and Andrews. Weitering would be ranked in the 3-5 range for his position at the moment.

The AA Squad of 40 doesn't count for anything when you claim a player is the best for a given position. The question is simple and it's binary.

If they're the best, they're first selected and in the AA Squad of 22.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Because Weitering and Maynard aren't the best for their position.

Only Carlton supporters would have Weitering in the 22. Everyone else would have Moore and Andrews. Weitering would be ranked in the 3-5 range for his position at the moment.

The AA Squad of 40 doesn't count for anything when you claim a player is the best for a given position. The question is simple and it's binary.

If they're the best, they're first selected and in the AA Squad of 22.

Okay cool. Why are you so obsessed with Papley tho?

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Also several AA teams put forward in the media featured Weitering.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Just like Petracca is a better midfielder than Cripps?

A debate can be made either way now.

The inside bull versus the more dynamic goal kicking midfielder.

Both are now proven, however one has performed to a higher level for longer and on a more consistent basis. That's the trade-off.

The difference with Papley is he's never been rated as the best.

 

[DangerousD]

So I need to ask this:

If Tom Papley is the best small forward in the game as many on here were saying, how come he didn't make the AA Squad of 22?

Liam Ryan was selected over him. That doesn't make sense to me if he's supposedly the best small forward in the game.

I woukdt be using that as a good example. I, like many others were really disappointed in how that side is picked, Dusty, Danger and Bont in the pockets and on the flank, they aren't forwards.
When Jackovich came out and said, did Papley have a better year than those guys? You could easily say, no, or you could say, as a forward yes.

Its frustrating that they will chuck mids on the wings and in the forward line and use that crap line from Jackovich but you don't here selectors say that in relation to defenders.

 

[Brutalitops]

And the best part, we don't need to give up picks. Besides salary, he is basically a free hit.

I agree, but I admit i baulk at the appraised price of $700-800k...

 

[Eiffel 65]

Okay cool. Why are you so obsessed with Papley tho?

Because not long ago people were telling me how wrong my assessment of Papley was when I was saying he wasn't the best small forward in the game and that we shouldn't sell the farm for him.

Trust me, we dodged a bullet.

 

[Eiffel 65]

I woukdt be using that as a good example. I, like many others were really disappointed in how that side is picked, Dusty, Danger and Bont in the pockets and on the flank, they aren't forwards.
When Jackovich came out and said, did Papley have a better year than those guys? You could easily say, no, or you could say, as a forward yes.

Its frustrating that they will chuck mids on the wings and in the forward line and use that crap line from Jackovich but you don't here selectors say that in relation to defenders.

Fair enough, but even so, I reckon Butler would've got the nod over Papley anyway.

Butler was more consistent throughout the entire year. Papley played half a season of very good football, followed by half a season of rubbish.

I think it's a fair call to leave a player out regardless of position if they only managed half a season of good football.

 

[DangerousD]

Because Weitering and Maynard aren't the best for their position.

Only Carlton supporters would have Weitering in the 22. Everyone else would have Moore and Andrews. Weitering would be ranked in the 3-5 range for his position at the moment.

The AA Squad of 40 doesn't count for anything when you claim a player is the best for a given position. The question is simple and it's binary.

If they're the best, they're first selected and in the AA Squad of 22.

Im not sure how you can say that with a straight face.

If your they're the best, they're first selected and in the AA squad of 22?

Papley: Fwd pocket or half forward, 26 goals-27 behinds, tackles 3.1
Butler: Fwd pocket or half forward, 27 gaols-11 behinds, tackles 3.6

Dangericked at half forward. 11 goals
Dusty: Picked Forward pocket. 15 goals, tackles 3
Bont: 11 goals

Whos a better player is totally irrelevant when you are discussing the best team for the year and who performed best in each position, im not sure how anyone can say with a straight face that any of the above 3 had a better year as a forward that Butler or Papley, the numbers are there.

To have these two miss out but pick a second ruck, its crap.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Im not sure how you can say that with a straight face.

If your they're the best, they're first selected and in the AA squad of 22?

Papley: Fwd pocket or half forward, 26 goals-27 behinds, tackles 3.1
Butler: Fwd pocket or half forward, 27 gaols-11 behinds, tackles 3.6

Dangericked at half forward. 11 goals
Dusty: Picked Forward pocket. 15 goals, tackles 3
Bont: 11 goals

Whos a better player is totally irrelevant when you are discussing the best team for the year and who performed best in each position, im not sure how anyone can say with a straight face that any of the above 3 had a better year as a forward that Butler or Papley, the numbers are there.

To have these two miss out but pick a second ruck, its crap.

Both Dangerfield and Martin would kick more goals than Papley and Butler is they played permanent forward out of the goal square.

The reality is if we have Plowman to line up against Papley, Martin and Dangerfield as the opposition deep smaller forward types, the one player I would be least worried about is Papley.

 

[DangerousD]

Fair enough, but even so, I reckon Butler would've got the nod over Papley anyway.

Butler was more consistent throughout the entire year. Papley played half a season of very good football, followed by half a season of rubbish.

I think it's a fair call to leave a player out regardless of position if they only managed half a season of good football.

For me, its not really about Papley or Butler but the armchair ride some of these players get in regards to these honours. It lessens the the appeal of the AA team and its like a team for midfielders, if you're a ruck and you're not the best in your position, you generally miss out, if you're the 10th best mid, they will slot you somewhere.

Papley, what he's worth, whether we dodged a bullet, all that, thats a different conversation, i thought a few players in regards to AA were denied their time in the sun, to keep the favourites happy.

 

[DangerousD]

Both Dangerfield and Martin WOULD kick more goals than Papley and Butler is they played permanent forward out of the goal square.

The reality is if we have Plowman to line up against Papley, Martin and Dangerfield as the opposition deep smaller forward types, the one player I would be least worried about is Papley.

Its not a real team that plays each week, its a team that is picked to honour the best players of that year in each position, not what they WOULD or COULD do in a game or season, but what they DID do.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Both Dangerfield and Martin would kick more goals than Papley and Butler is they played permanent forward out of the goal square.

The reality is if we have Plowman to line up against Papley, Martin and Dangerfield as the opposition deep smaller forward types, the one player I would be least worried about is Papley.

But they don't, along with the Bont... Their selection over players that actually play the position is a joke

 

[Eiffel 65]

But they don't, along with the Bont... Their selection over players that actually play the position is a joke

At the end of the day, a team only needs one small forward and Ryan was picked as the best small forward.

The other guys effectively play as fwd/mids so their positions are justified.

I still don't believe Papley would have been next picked for the position anyway as mentioned above.

 

[TENACIOUS]

At the end of the day, a team only needs one small forward and Ryan was picked as the best small forward.

The other guys effectively play as fwd/mids so their positions are justified.

I still don't believe Papley would have been next picked for the position anyway as mentioned above.

Maybe not but Gunston should have been

 

[Eiffel 65]

Reported today:

"Last but certainly not least, the Blues believe Jack Viney is gettable and will be competing with Geelong for his services if he decides to leave the Dees."

We wouldn't need to add more than Williams and Viney to our midfield. As neither will cost any picks, we could head to the draft with pick 7 and take a dynamic, athletic forward in Hollands or Henry.

If possible, trade for Saad by using picks back end picks to upgrade our mid second to an early second with a team looking for points E.g. Sydney.

With the remaining 2 spots in the ND, upgrade Gibbons and take the best player we can find with our second selection, regardless of position.

Source: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...d/news-story/f21f01a49cc035bc0d36082dde6d14f4

 

[Juddernaut08]

ok if viney is free and not too costly im now on board. much rather him than crab crouch

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Reported today:

"Last but certainly not least, the Blues believe Jack Viney is gettable and will be competing with Geelong for his services if he decides to leave the Dees."

We wouldn't need to add more than Williams and Viney to our midfield. As neither will cost any picks, we could head to the draft with pick 7 and take a dynamic, athletic forward in Hollands or Henry.

If possible, trade for Saad by using picks back end picks to upgrade our mid second to an early second with a team looking for points E.g. Sydney.

With the remaining 2 spots in the ND, upgrade Gibbons and take the best player we can find with our second selection, regardless of position.

Source: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...d/news-story/f21f01a49cc035bc0d36082dde6d14f4

Pretty sure we already upgraded him when we re-signed like 11 people the other day.

 

[true blue19]

Reported today:

"Last but certainly not least, the Blues believe Jack Viney is gettable and will be competing with Geelong for his services if he decides to leave the Dees."

We wouldn't need to add more than Williams and Viney to our midfield. As neither will cost any picks, we could head to the draft with pick 7 and take a dynamic, athletic forward in Hollands or Henry.

If possible, trade for Saad by using picks back end picks to upgrade our mid second to an early second with a team looking for points E.g. Sydney.

With the remaining 2 spots in the ND, upgrade Gibbons and take the best player we can find with our second selection, regardless of position.

Source: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...d/news-story/f21f01a49cc035bc0d36082dde6d14f4

Yes please
Williams and Viney as FA and trading McGovern for Saad. That'll be amazing

 

[Arr0w]

Yes please
Williams and Viney as FA and trading McGovern for Saad. That'll be amazing

No one would trade Saad for McGovern

While I have little time for Polec, using McGovern for Polec would be a better option for us

 

[gandaal]

The price you have to pay: All the top trade targets and their market value

Mitch Cleary looks at the value of this year's potential trade and free agency targets

www.afl.com.au

Interesting read.

I still cant get over Daicos remaining unsigned. I'd throw a 5 year 3 million dollar contract at that guy. I'd definitely take him over Saad. And if nothing else it would help put pressure on the Pies salary cap.

 

[TENACIOUS]

No one would trade Saad for McGovern

While I have little time for Polec, using McGovern for Polec would be a better option for us

No it wouldn't. Would rather play McGovern on the wing. Pass

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

The price you have to pay: All the top trade targets and their market value

Mitch Cleary looks at the value of this year's potential trade and free agency targets

www.afl.com.au

Interesting read.

I still cant get over Daicos remaining unsigned. I'd throw a 5 year 3 million dollar contract at that guy. I'd definitely take him over Saad. And if nothing else it would help put pressure on the Pies salary cap.

Not a bad ploy especially if it allows us to shake out Stephenson who might be our real target.. There is zero chance Eddie let’s a Daicos wear a navy blue jumper

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

No one would trade Saad for McGovern

While I have little time for Polec, using McGovern for Polec would be a better option for us

I don’t mind Polec, but North are wanti Ng draft picks not overrated 3rd forwards.

 

[ETET]

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