List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Jimmae]

The price you have to pay: All the top trade targets and their market value

Mitch Cleary looks at the value of this year's potential trade and free agency targets

www.afl.com.au

Interesting read.

I still cant get over Daicos remaining unsigned. I'd throw a 5 year 3 million dollar contract at that guy. I'd definitely take him over Saad. And if nothing else it would help put pressure on the Pies salary cap.

Most of those salaries are absurd...

 

[gandaal]

Most of those salaries are absurd...

The trade suggestions arent much better but I still found it interesting.

 

[The Greek Freak]

Where do we stick Murphy? In the guts like we did at the start of the year ?

In the twos

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

In the twos

Spot on and hope that hard conversation was had with MM when his contract was extended that his place in the side is no longer guaranteed, and for us to move forward as a team he can no longer take midfield minutes away from Walsh, Williams, Setterfield, Kemp, Cunningham, Dow, Fisher, Martin & SPS who should all be ahead of Murphy in the pecking order for midfield.

IMHO the only place in the side for Murphy is to fight it out with Gibbons for the other fwd pocket position.. but i doubt Murph would be able to bring the defensive pressure we need.

 

[true blue19]

Spot on and hope that hard conversation was had with MM when his contract was extended that his place in the side is no longer guaranteed, and for us to move forward as a team he can no longer take midfield minutes away from Walsh, Williams, Setterfield, Kemp, Cunningham, Dow, Fisher, Martin & SPS who should all be ahead of Murphy in the pecking order for midfield.

IMHO the only place in the side for Murphy is to fight it out with Gibbons for the other fwd pocket position.. but i doubt Murph would be able to bring the defensive pressure we need.

I get what your saying but on this years form none of the bold are a head of Murphy.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I get what your saying but on this years form none of the bold are a head of Murphy.

Setterfield & Martin are easily ahead, Fisher is equal and the others i agree but they will never develop if they are not given a chance because we have a 32yo former captain in the way.. With Cripps, Williams, Walsh & Setterfield & Curnow as the established midfield core.. we should be able to rotate a few of the less experienced players through the midfield and give them an opportunity to shine.

 

[Burgers45]

Apparently we have met SAAD "twice in recent days." Since we have missed getting Graham, more emphasis is now on getting Saad. Expected * will ask for a first round pick in exchange for Saad. There is still some "hope", be it slim, of getting him....

Essendon star Adam Saad has met with Carlton "twice in recent days"

The speedster is reportedly holding out for a better offer from the Bombers 👀

www.zerohanger.com

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Saad is handy, but hardly going to make a difference to our side IMO.

If it was a choice between Saad & Jaidyn Stephenson i would take Stephenson who is untapped potential and fills a need for us long term.

 

[Milshouse]

Jesse hogan for mitch mcgovern, hogan open to a move apparently

 

[Brutalitops]

Jesse hogan for mitch mcgovern, hogan open to a move apparently

Nope. No thanks

 

[SurreyBlue]

Jesse hogan for mitch mcgovern, hogan open to a move apparently

What other options are thrown up by WA clubs? I'm happy to really, really, really listen.

 

[smashbox gill]

Saad seems money hungry and only considering us due to potentially greater financial package. Not sure I’d be going all out of this type of player if he’s not 100% bought in and coming for the right reason

 

[true blue19]

Saad is handy, but hardly going to make a difference to our side IMO.

If it was a choice between Saad & Jaidyn Stephenson i would take Stephenson who is untapped potential and fills a need for us long term.

Why not both. We could trade pick 7 to Cats for 15 and 16.
Then trade 15 to Collingwood for Stephenson and 16 to Essendon for Saad.

 

[Jimmae]

In the twos

What we should be doing is confirming to Murphy that due to his aging body he may find himself further back in the pecking order. Selection should always be based on availability and form, we're just ****ing shocking at gauging reserves form and how it translates to AFL.

That and we have a whack idea of how certain roles and certain positional play should coalesce in the AFL, which returns me to the forever critical point: sack Barker.

Saad is handy, but hardly going to make a difference to our side IMO.

If it was a choice between Saad & Jaidyn Stephenson i would take Stephenson who is untapped potential and fills a need for us long term.

Stephenson is just a slight variant on McGovern. We need to think differently there, and do our best to support McGovern in the interim. He's had persistent back/hamstring issues, and the weight loss seems to have exacerbated this, which isn't unheard of and may be due to lax ligaments.

Something like that takes time for the body to adjust around.

cc Mr_Plow and SkyhorseTamer to confirm I'm not off my rocker.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Saad seems money hungry and only considering us due to potentially greater financial package. Not sure I’d be going all out of this type of player if he’s not 100% bought in and coming for the right reason

I have no issues with players coming to us because we have the biggest cheque.. Especially when its a player wanting to leave Essendon and if it is in a position of need for us.. Its about cost/benifit to us as a footy club.. Over paying Williams to help out Cripps in the midfield was a no brainer.. I am just not convinced we need to overpay for a half back flanker.. We have Doch, Newman, SPS, Willow, Williamson who can all play that role.. Saad is good, i am just not sure he is that much better than what we already have.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Why not both. We could trade pick 7 to Cats for 15 and 16.
Then trade 15 to Collingwood for Stephenson and 16 to Essendon for Saad.

Not a bad thought process, although I dont think pick 7 helps the Cats that much and they will need as many 1st round picks as possible to secure some of the targets they have been spruiked to be interested in.

 

[Aphrodite]

Jesse hogan for mitch mcgovern, hogan open to a move apparently

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Stephenson is just a slight variant on McGovern. We need to think differently there, and do our best to support McGovern in the interim. He's had persistent back/hamstring issues, and the weight loss seems to have exacerbated this, which isn't unheard of and may be due to lax ligaments.

Something like that takes time for the body to adjust around.

cc Mr_Plow and SkyhorseTamer to confirm I'm not off my rocker.

Completely ridiculous comparison, they are different players in every facet. McGovern has had plenty of opportunity to get his body right, and he was fit as a fiddle for those final few rounds where he either looked dis-interested or simply had no ability to find the footy. IMO McGovern peaked at Adelaide and we were sold a lemon, i actually just think he is not a very good footballer.. He is a 3rd tall, but in our forward line he is behind Curnow, McKay, Levi, JSOS for that role..

 

[Blue__Balls]

Jesse hogan for mitch mcgovern, hogan open to a move apparently

I'd seriously consider Hogan as a direct replacement for Casboult.

Not the best forward, but pushes up the ground and is very good by foot. If he's prepared to play a little bit of second ruck, potentially drop down back at times to help stem an opposition run on...yeah, I think it could work.

 

[Jimmae]

Completely ridiculous comparison, they are different players in every facet. McGovern has had plenty of opportunity to get his body right, and he was fit as a fiddle for those final few rounds where he either looked dis-interested or simply had no ability to find the footy. IMO McGovern peaked at Adelaide and we were sold a lemon, i actually just think he is not a very good footballer.. He is a 3rd tall, but in our forward line he is behind Curnow, McKay, Levi, JSOS for that role..

I don't think he's behind JSOS in terms of his defensive application in the F50, nor in his scoring involvements and impact. Levi can't apply the pressure he can.

The comparison with Stephenson is sound, because Jaidyn trades some contested ability and acceleration off the mark for aerobic ability when compared against McGovern. They're both 13-15 disposal, 1.5 goal a game forwards when they're getting good supply.

He seems to struggle with endurance work, which is also consistent with someone who has relatively loose ligaments (aka hypermobility).

I'd seriously consider Hogan as a direct replacement for Casboult.

Not the best forward, but pushes up the ground and is very good by foot. If he's prepared to play a little bit of second ruck, potentially drop down back at times to help stem an opposition run on...yeah, I think it could work.

Freo thought that way and now look at Hogan. Can be extremely mobile, but needs to play lighter than clubs would like him to be for that (as would any key forward, really).

Gotta pick which version of him you want: FF, contested beast ala Walker, or something more akin to a 3rd forward/hybrid ala Cameron.

 

[BlueJet]

Completely ridiculous comparison, they are different players in every facet. McGovern has had plenty of opportunity to get his body right, and he was fit as a fiddle for those final few rounds where he either looked dis-interested or simply had no ability to find the footy. IMO McGovern peaked at Adelaide and we were sold a lemon, i actually just think he is not a very good footballer.. He is a 3rd tall, but in our forward line he is behind Curnow, McKay, Levi, JSOS for that role..

I would disagree, while they're stylistically different they are wildly erratic lead up forwards capable of either the sublime or anonymity. Booting one to bring in the other is slightly redundant, particularly as we have greater needs at present.
Fwiw those names you've noted aren't what I would consider third talls either, Curnow, Levi & Harry are KPF exclusively and Jack, well we still don't know exactly what role he fills in our side in the medium/long term.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Hogan needs to go to an established club with strong leaders who can pull him into line with an all in or f#-ck off attitude.. Unfortunately we are not that club.

 

[gab213]

Spot on and hope that hard conversation was had with MM when his contract was extended that his place in the side is no longer guaranteed, and for us to move forward as a team he can no longer take midfield minutes away from Walsh, Williams, Setterfield, Kemp, Cunningham, Dow, Fisher, Martin & SPS who should all be ahead of Murphy in the pecking order for midfield.

IMHO the only place in the side for Murphy is to fight it out with Gibbons for the other fwd pocket position.. but i doubt Murph would be able to bring the defensive pressure we need.

I agree he shouldn't be guaranteed anything but for now I'm sure he'll line up in the seniors come round 1, nobody's performing at the level to push him out. When they do he can play twos.

 

[Jeremias]

I'm not sure I'd take Hogan even if he came free.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I don't think he's behind JSOS in terms of his defensive application in the F50, nor in his scoring involvements and impact. Levi can't apply the pressure he can.

The comparison with Stephenson is sound, because Jaidyn trades some contested ability and acceleration off the mark for aerobic ability when compared against McGovern. They're both 13-15 disposal, 1.5 goal a game forwards when they're getting good supply.

He seems to struggle with endurance work, which is also consistent with someone who has relatively loose ligaments (aka hypermobility).


Freo thought that way and now look at Hogan. Can be extremely mobile, but needs to play lighter than clubs would like him to be for that (as would any key forward, really).

Gotta pick which version of him you want: FF, contested beast ala Walker, or something more akin to a 3rd forward/hybrid ala Cameron.

Yep - I think Freo were buying a KPF, and soon realised he's not really that.

Pending medical/psych eval to make sure his heart is in it and his body is sound, I think he'd complement Charlie and Harry well, and could support Weitering and Jones in a pinch.

He's at the right age, he'd certainly have to take a cut to his salary given his recent formline. 3 years on $400k tops, thereabouts? Plenty of performance triggers in that. Tell him if he wants to chase a bigger contract elsewhere we'll take ours off the table, we're offering a fair deal for a player who we think can come in as a tall utility and support (and be supported by) a good young list on the rise. Second rounder to Freo and away we go.