List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Arr0w]

GWS should have chased Preuss, taken the likes of Collins, etc

These cheap additions would have added character, as well as allowing them to retain many of their better players

 

[HARKER]

The concern is they are becoming a development league for other clubs.

They have lost at minimum a B grader for multiple years now.

Because they haven't put the brakes on their squad, then topped up on needs.
How many bloody midfielders do you want before you realise they can't all coexist and you've missed out on more important things.

Imagine us now trading out players just to have more firsts to go to the draft with and ignore what makes us immediately better? Bad.....

 

[DangerousD]

Adelaide.


Go back and look at what I said at the time, and people fobbed me off. I'm trying to make the most of what we have, and right now we'd be selling at the bottom of the market.

Kemp and JSOS are on the list, we're fine, save for TPP considerations.

What currency do you think Gov had this year on the trade table?

In a year with barely any junior footy and reduced list sizes, some clubs will value known value more than others, I also believe some clubs will think our poor forward line structure and playing 3 talls as being detrimental to Govs output.

Despite his poor showings, I still see a club being interested around the 38-45 pick mark, maybe higher if we pay part of his contract.

If he had a solid year I’d say his value would be an early second day pick 22, if this is realistic, the difference between the bottom and top of the market isn’t that great

I would be more than happy for our club to make a statement that lack of effort, lack of professionalism and lack of form won’t be accepted, especially those at his age and contract value.

 

[HARKER]

I'd stick with McGovern.
He has a lot of what we need and I don't know why that isn't showing up.
Maybe he's being troubled by something. Not all seemed right this year.

Look forward to having CCurnow back and we best work out better forward set-ups, movement and structure than we had this year.

 

[Brackets]

They'll have to do something about him but we should give up a 20 year old former pick 3 for him?

Talent is obviously important in this caper but it is far from the only consideration.

Stack was overlooked many times by each club, including Richmond, and it looks as though he still has a lot of growing up to do.

Let other clubs take that risk. And if we do decide to take a risk we certainly shouldn't be paying as much as that for one.

Stack is younger then Dow. If they were both thrown in this years draft, I doubt any team would take Dow before Stack, even with the indiscretion.

Tigers would probably do it though with his brother at the club, and a fresh start might even be the best thing for both players.

Obviously it's not on the cards, but we'd be more likely to come out on top, plus he fits us better. Dow is not a top 3 talent, which is the only relevant factor moving forward. If he is to improve, it doesn't look likely to be at our club.

 

[Macca43]

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Thanks - Turns out he is 12th for score involvements on average for all defenders with 3.2, however 1, 2 5 and 10 have played 3 or fewer games for the year. Also of those above him with more than 3 games only Jayden Short averages more metres gained (Saad 409, Short 466)

 

[TENACIOUS]

I’m surprised M Kennedy’s kicking efficiency is only 58%. He is a good kick at goals but maybe field kicking is not so good.

Field kicking of 58% is close to good, his goal kicking accuracy is 54%

 

[Opine]

I can see where people are coming from when they say this but I think we are either not giving enough credit, not recognising what’s happening in front of us or getting caught up in what we have always been told what makes a great side.

If the Tigers win again they will go down as one of the great sides and they will thoroughly deserve the it.

Winning Is what makes a team great

Tigers will always be shithouse. Rugby scrumming AFL game wreckers.

 

[Ciccio]

This sums up Saad

arrow I completely appreciate your viewpoint about Saad's disposal efficiency and hitting targets. Having watched him a bit, I agree that he can get a head full of steam with his running and bouncing and then miss a target going forward.

But I also look at what he can do and what attributes he brings and how he may improve us, and that is predominantly with his speed as an attacking hbf with his line/zone breaking ability, which is something we don't currently posses. So with those attributes in mind, looking at some stats for defenders this year here is how Saad rates for the following categories:
- Inside 50's : Ranks equal number 1 with Jack Crisp on 50 inside 50's.
- Score Involvements : Ranks 4th with 55 (Whitfield 63, Caleb Daniel 61, Johannisen 56)
- Score Launches : Ranks 1st with 25
- Kicking Efficiency : Looking at the top 10 defenders in terms of Inside 50's Saad ranks 3rd for KE on 75.7. (Jayden Short 1st on 83.6, Bailey Williams 2nd on 75.9)
- Rebound 50 : Ranks 6th with 76 (Docherty is 5th on 83)
- Metres gained : Ranks 5th

So whilst he may occasionally miss targets going forward as per your video, what he does allow is for the ball to transition from the back half to the forward half quickly, setting up scoring chances and giving our forwards a chance to win one on ones or at least locking it in the forward line, thereby allowing the team to setup to play a forward half press which is how Teague wants to setup.

 

[Arr0w]

arrow I completely appreciate your viewpoint about Saad's disposal efficiency and hitting targets. Having watched him a bit, I agree that he can get a head full of steam with his running and bouncing and then miss a target going forward.

But I also look at what he can do and what attributes he brings and how he may improve us, and that is predominantly with his speed as an attacking hbf with his line/zone breaking ability, which is something we don't currently posses. So with those attributes in mind, looking at some stats for defenders this year here is how Saad rates for the following categories:
- Inside 50's : Ranks equal number 1 with Jack Crisp on 50 inside 50's.
- Score Involvements : Ranks 4th with 55 (Whitfield 63, Caleb Daniel 61, Johannisen 56)
- Score Launches : Ranks 1st with 25
- Kicking Efficiency : Looking at the top 10 defenders in terms of Inside 50's Saad ranks 3rd for KE on 75.7. (Jayden Short 1st on 83.6, Bailey Williams 2nd on 75.9)
- Rebound 50 : Ranks 6th with 76 (Docherty is 5th on 83)
- Metres gained : Ranks 5th

So whilst he may occasionally miss targets going forward as per your video, what he does allow is for the ball to transition from the back half to the forward half quickly, setting up scoring chances and giving our forwards a chance to win one on ones or at least locking it in the forward line, thereby allowing the team to setup to play a forward half press which is how Teague wants to setup.

There is no doubt in my mind that Saad improves us, but he would not be the main priority, for me, in that role

Next, would be the cost. Being OOC, his age and given his lack of versatility, I wouldn't offer up more than a mid 2nd, so if we get him with our 2nd rounder, it is a good deal

 

[alchemy333]

arrow I completely appreciate your viewpoint about Saad's disposal efficiency and hitting targets. Having watched him a bit, I agree that he can get a head full of steam with his running and bouncing and then miss a target going forward.

But I also look at what he can do and what attributes he brings and how he may improve us, and that is predominantly with his speed as an attacking hbf with his line/zone breaking ability, which is something we don't currently posses. So with those attributes in mind, looking at some stats for defenders this year here is how Saad rates for the following categories:
- Inside 50's : Ranks equal number 1 with Jack Crisp on 50 inside 50's.
- Score Involvements : Ranks 4th with 55 (Whitfield 63, Caleb Daniel 61, Johannisen 56)
- Score Launches : Ranks 1st with 25
- Kicking Efficiency : Looking at the top 10 defenders in terms of Inside 50's Saad ranks 3rd for KE on 75.7. (Jayden Short 1st on 83.6, Bailey Williams 2nd on 75.9)
- Rebound 50 : Ranks 6th with 76 (Docherty is 5th on 83)
- Metres gained : Ranks 5th

So whilst he may occasionally miss targets going forward as per your video, what he does allow is for the ball to transition from the back half to the forward half quickly, setting up scoring chances and giving our forwards a chance to win one on ones or at least locking it in the forward line, thereby allowing the team to setup to play a forward half press which is how Teague wants to setup.

That's a pretty convincing stat sheet right there. I knew Saad was a handy player, but i'd be wrapt to have player in the Navy Blue with those numbers!

 

[Foucault1989]

Adelaide.


Go back and look at what I said at the time, and people fobbed me off. I'm trying to make the most of what we have, and right now we'd be selling at the bottom of the market.

Kemp and JSOS are on the list, we're fine, save for TPP considerations.

Sorry Jim..
That's rubbish. He never regularly got "13-15" disposals at Adelaide. He never average 13 disposals in a season.

 

[Foucault1989]

I'd stick with McGovern.
He has a lot of what we need and I don't know why that isn't showing up.
Maybe he's being troubled by something. Not all seemed right this year.

Look forward to having CCurnow back and we best work out better forward set-ups, movement and structure than we had this year.

He is showing what he has always showed. .low disposals, low impact, occassional good games. He is a conditional footballer and I'm sick of watching him play. Get rid of him. Pay him out if necessary. The sooner he is out of the club the better.

 

[cookie monster]

He is showing what he has always showed. .low disposals, low impact, occassional good games. He is a conditional footballer and I'm sick of watching him play. Get rid of him. Pay him out if necessary. The sooner he is out of the club the better.

I agree. His lax attitude is poison for progression of our players. He's had enough time to prove himself and if failing.
The fact our coaches seem to have him amongst first picked is a big concern for me. Why does he escape needing to earn his spot through the reserves?

 

[HARKER]

He is showing what he has always showed. .low disposals, low impact, occassional good games. He is a conditional footballer and I'm sick of watching him play. Get rid of him. Pay him out if necessary. The sooner he is out of the club the better.

You have every reason to put up facts to solidify your argument.

I look at useable attributes and McGovern has plenty and to my eye, doesn't look as though he doesn't care but is somehow confused.
He may amount to nothing in the end, but that end is still a couple of years away, at the CFC.

I'm looking forward to what he will contribute next year, when we have a more settled forward line.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I'd stick with McGovern.
He has a lot of what we need and I don't know why that isn't showing up.
Maybe he's being troubled by something. Not all seemed right this year.

Look forward to having CCurnow back and we best work out better forward set-ups, movement and structure than we had this year.

100% convinced he is a defender. But someone you can throw forward every now and then to change up the game plan for a bit during a game.

 

[Macca43]

arrow I completely appreciate your viewpoint about Saad's disposal efficiency and hitting targets. Having watched him a bit, I agree that he can get a head full of steam with his running and bouncing and then miss a target going forward.

But I also look at what he can do and what attributes he brings and how he may improve us, and that is predominantly with his speed as an attacking hbf with his line/zone breaking ability, which is something we don't currently posses. So with those attributes in mind, looking at some stats for defenders this year here is how Saad rates for the following categories:
- Inside 50's : Ranks equal number 1 with Jack Crisp on 50 inside 50's.
- Score Involvements : Ranks 4th with 55 (Whitfield 63, Caleb Daniel 61, Johannisen 56)
- Score Launches : Ranks 1st with 25
- Kicking Efficiency : Looking at the top 10 defenders in terms of Inside 50's Saad ranks 3rd for KE on 75.7. (Jayden Short 1st on 83.6, Bailey Williams 2nd on 75.9)
- Rebound 50 : Ranks 6th with 76 (Docherty is 5th on 83)
- Metres gained : Ranks 5th

So whilst he may occasionally miss targets going forward as per your video, what he does allow is for the ball to transition from the back half to the forward half quickly, setting up scoring chances and giving our forwards a chance to win one on ones or at least locking it in the forward line, thereby allowing the team to setup to play a forward half press which is how Teague wants to setup.

If you go through the best footy we played this year (like the second half of the first quarter against Port) we were scoring heavily because we were moving the ball quickly out of defence and getting into our forward line before oppositions could flood back. The issue is we are largely reliant on getting out of defence by foot (with the exception of Williamson who takes them on but is still learning the craft). This allowed opposition sides to press up, stop us taking the attacking option and either trap up in our back half or move the ball slow enough to ensure we are simply bombing to a contest.

Having the addition of Saad (and Williams) gives us the ability to run at the press and get the ball out the back to allow Martin, Cuningham McKay and Curnow to go to work. If we had Saad in the second quarter against the Lions we could well have been able to clear our defensive 50, get the ball in our half for a while, give our defence a breather and allow the to get organised. Instead we kept bombing it out straight back to them.

 

[Jimmae]

What currency do you think Gov had this year on the trade table?

In a year with barely any junior footy and reduced list sizes, some clubs will value known value more than others, I also believe some clubs will think our poor forward line structure and playing 3 talls as being detrimental to Govs output.

Despite his poor showings, I still see a club being interested around the 38-45 pick mark, maybe higher if we pay part of his contract.

If he had a solid year I’d say his value would be an early second day pick 22, if this is realistic, the difference between the bottom and top of the market isn’t that great

I would be more than happy for our club to make a statement that lack of effort, lack of professionalism and lack of form won’t be accepted, especially those at his age and contract value.

I think when he's in form, he's worth 10-25, depending on the depth and talent of the draft. Right now he's not going to earn us much worth chasing unless we need the cap space.

Sorry Jim..
That's rubbish. He never regularly got "13-15" disposals at Adelaide. He never average 13 disposals in a season.

I said he's good for 13-15 with supply. He averaged 12.9 in 2018, but he also spent half the year out injured. Was 23 at the time, just coming into his prime.

 

[Blues_Man]

I know he doesn't fit our demographics. But if we can't get a running defender then Heath Shaw would be a great asset for a year..been delisted so wouldn't cost anything except a spot.

 

[carlton_99]

I know he doesn't fit our demographics. But if we can't get a running defender then Heath Shaw would be a great asset for a year..been delisted so wouldn't cost anything except a spot.

Makes no sense to get rid of Simpson and bring in Shaw in my opinion.

 

[spry]

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[Foucault1989]

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Keeping on the waters as well. Good lads. I'm so excited for Kemp. How lucky were we to get him?! I rated him so highly in his draft year as well!

 

[BluesTragic]

Let’s go get O’Halloran

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

The GWS recruiting over the last few years has been odd, they haven't even attempted to address the key position or ruck issues they have.

Surprised they didn't throw the kitchen sink at a ruckman from another club a few years ago.

GWS have never had the cap space available to aggressively target a player of need and have been stuck taking scraps like Jacobs and now Preuss

 

[katmanblue]

Let’s go get O’Halloran

Alright. I'll drive.

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