List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Gethelred]

Titch .
In the last 24hrs .

The thick plottens...

 

[Doro]

Say what?

 

[Eiffel 65]

So if people on here are so desperate for a ball winner such as Wines, would anyone consider Will Brodie?

Has a connection to the club and based on this latest summary, he could get done for a 4th rounder or thereabouts.

Regarding Will Brodie:

" Like Connor Blakely, will need to see where other inside midfielders fall before serious suitors come for him... The Suns will happily accommodate a cheap move for him elsewhere and would likely pay some of his contract to make it happen."

Trade Period state of play: Who's going, who's undecided

Mitch Cleary brings you the latest on every potential trade and free agency target

www.afl.com.au

 

[The Shag]

Oh, really? I couldn't tell.



It's not pointless. It's actually entirely relevant. Are you suggesting we trade him at all costs? For a second round pick? For what exactly?

We should be looking to bring in all our trade targets without having to sacrifice a best 22 player or a young developing player in order to do so.

Re: the draft. Once all is said and done we'll have a presence, but no - it doesn't have to be a strong one. We needed a strong one through the rebuild and we did, with 11 first round picks selected over those 5 years.

Now we move to the next phase where it's more important to add experience and quality, which we seem well on our way to doing.

That doesn't mean ignoring the draft - far from it - but the priority has changed. As it should and as we always knew it would.



I asked you what you think we'd get for him...which you still haven't answered.

Not once have I said he's irreplaceable.

You really think I'm saying no if a club comes in and offers a top 5 pick for him?



Plowman isn't a tall, he has shown himself to be a very capable defender on all sorts of forwards - tall, short, and everything in between.

I wonder what your response would have been had I told you months back that the minor premier and current preliminary finalist had a three tall defensive setup of 193cm, 191cm and 188cm.

I think you're nit-picking here because...you don't rate Plowman highly. See, I could have come to that conclusion eventually without you telling me.

Mate, i haven’t answered your question because, multiple posts later, you’re dissecting words for the sake of defending a player that you rate.. everything else you’re saying I agree with. We are at a point where we move into the next phase of list management.. and that needs to be a proactive style. We can’t just sit back and rest because we’ve gone through the hardest years. As Carlton supporters, we know full well what a couple of bad drafts in a row can do to a club.

The conversation to be had was on proactively moving out assets that can be replaced to maintain a strong hand in both trade and draft, year after year.

We are far more versatile with a backline of:
B: Docherty jones Newman
HB: Williamson weitering saad

Marchbank, Williams, SPS, O’Brien
Kemp, JSOS, Stocker all have either been tried there or have the attributes to be tried there.

Regardless, I’m not continuing a conversation where both of our points are completely at odds with each other. I see him as tradeable and at the peak of his value on the market, you don’t.. move on.


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[Gethelred]

We are far more versatile with a backline of:
B: Docherty jones Newman
HB: Williamson weitering saad

Faster perhaps, but not more versatile.

What are you going to do when you run into a WC forward line, in which you have to cover Kennedy, Darling, and one of Naitanui or Vardy? Who are you going to play on Jamie Elliot, or Gary Rowan, or Dustin Martin; three very different players, all of whom are excellent overhead or in one on one situations?

These are the questions you're going to have to answer to replace Plow in the 22. If you can answer them, you're right. If you can't, you're not.

 

[AT97]

Titch .
In the last 24hrs .

Who?

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Who?

Tom Mitchell

 

[Hands On]

Tom Mitchell

Titch .
In the last 24hrs .

surely you Jest? I smell the Stench of Troll.

 

[Jeremias]

Mate, i haven’t answered your question because, multiple posts later, you’re dissecting words for the sake of defending a player that you rate..

I'm not defending him purely because I rate him though. I've already said I'd move him on if the offer was right, as opposed to moving him on because...well just because.

I'm defending him because he's a vastly more important player to us than what you seem to be suggesting.

The conversation to be had was on proactively moving out assets that can be replaced to maintain a strong hand in both trade and draft, year after year.

Yeah, and I've suggested there are other ways to do this without moving out a best 22 player.

We're not playing a video game here.

We are far more versatile with a backline of:
B: Docherty jones Newman
HB: Williamson weitering saad

Marchbank, Williams, SPS, O’Brien
Kemp, JSOS, Stocker all have either been tried there or have the attributes to be tried there.

We're far more versatile for removing easily our most versatile defender?

I'm not sure versatile is the word you're looking for here.

Regardless, I’m not continuing a conversation where both of our points are completely at odds with each other. I see him as tradeable and at the peak of his value on the market, you don’t.. move on.

I've already pulled you up on this and I'll do it again, because you're wrong.

I have not said Plowman is untouchable. Not once. What I've said is he's not someone I'd look to trade because he's worth far more to us than he would be on the trade table.

 

[BIuebagger]

Tom Mitchell .... if true, we are definitely aiming to land a quality mid. Interesting.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Tom Mitchell .... if true, we are definitely aiming to land a quality mid. Interesting.

The more I think about it the more I just want a ball-winning pig in the mould of Mitchell/Oliver. The "classy outside use" thing is kind of overrated, it doesn't really result in much in practice.

 

[BIuebagger]

The more I think about it the more I just want a ball-winning pig in the mould of Mitchell/Oliver. The "classy outside use" thing is kind of overrated, it doesn't really result in much in practice.

We’ve got some of those mids already, it’s just about actually using them as mids and investing. Mitchell, Oliver or Wines would be insane. People forgetting Williams can be and will be the inside/outside mid we’ve needed.
Add Williams and one of those three alongside Cripps, Setterfield and Walsh, and I’d be ashamed to see our own supporters complain somehow about that.

 

[halfback dasher]

surely you Jest? I smell the Stench of Troll.

Check my history bro ....I’m the last bloke to troll..except maybe my own board from time to time

 

[CJMB]

Faster perhaps, but not more versatile.

What are you going to do when you run into a WC forward line, in which you have to cover Kennedy, Darling, and one of Naitanui or Vardy? Who are you going to play on Jamie Elliot, or Gary Rowan, or Dustin Martin; three very different players, all of whom are excellent overhead or in one on one situations?

These are the questions you're going to have to answer to replace Plow in the 22. If you can answer them, you're right. If you can't, you're not.

I’m not sure we’re even faster by bringing in Newman for Plow.

Get a few extra disposals per game, but that’s about it.

 

[Gethelred]

I’m not sure we’re even faster by bringing in Newman for Plow.

Get a few extra disposals per game, but that’s about it.

It's getting tricky to have everyone in there, with Williams and Saad coming in. Williams on a wing, sure, but if Saad's got the other back flank are Willo and Plow the pockets? Where does this leave Doc and Newman?

It's a good problem to have, just don't mention it to Thy. The thread that shall not be named is back on the front page already.

 

[COBALT BLUE]

So if people on here are so desperate for a ball winner such as Wines, would anyone consider Will Brodie?

Has a connection to the club and based on this latest summary, he could get done for a 4th rounder or thereabouts.

Regarding Will Brodie:

" Like Connor Blakely, will need to see where other inside midfielders fall before serious suitors come for him... The Suns will happily accommodate a cheap move for him elsewhere and would likely pay some of his contract to make it happen."

Trade Period state of play: Who's going, who's undecided

Mitch Cleary brings you the latest on every potential trade and free agency target

www.afl.com.au

Absolutely !!
adaptable inside mid....no.9 draft pick[realistic] he had a great 2019 A grade...then he was moved around by Suns to HF OR HB ..AND CEASED TO FLOURISH
Suns have too many high draft picks in their midfield so we should help them out Has pace and size ,good tank,clearance operator

Season	GP	K	H	D	M	HO	FF	FA	T	G	B

2020 (Gold Coast)​	1​	4.0​	10.0​	14.0​	3.0​	0.0​	0.0​	0.0​	1.0​	0.0​	0.0​
2019 (Gold Coast)​	8​	9.6​	12.0​	21.6​	4.3​	0.0​	0.8​	0.8​	5.5​	0.3​	0.1​
2018 (Gold Coast)​	8​	7.9​	11.1​	19.0​	2.3​	0.0​	0.5​	0.8​	4.3​	0.1​	0.1​
2017 (Gold Coast)​	3​	6.7​	7.0​	13.7​	2.3​	0.0​	0.7​	0.7​	6.0​	0.0​	0.3​

 

[BlueAbroad]

With his manager seemingly making it known that Taranto is staying, should we be pushing hard for a player of Tim's ilk?


Read/Watch: http://blueabroad.com.au/the-latest/2020-player-spotlight-tim-taranto

 

[Gethelred]

Absolutely !!
adaptable inside mid....no.9 draft pick[realistic] he had a great 2019 A grade...then he was moved around by Suns to HF OR HB ..AND CEASED TO FLOURISH
Suns have too many high draft picks in their midfield so we should help them out Has pace and size ,good tank,clearance operator
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Season	GP	K	H	D	M	HO	FF	FA	T	G	B

2020 (Gold Coast)​	1​	4.0​	10.0​	14.0​	3.0​	0.0​	0.0​	0.0​	1.0​	0.0​	0.0​
2019 (Gold Coast)​	8​	9.6​	12.0​	21.6​	4.3​	0.0​	0.8​	0.8​	5.5​	0.3​	0.1​
2018 (Gold Coast)​	8​	7.9​	11.1​	19.0​	2.3​	0.0​	0.5​	0.8​	4.3​	0.1​	0.1​
2017 (Gold Coast)​	3​	6.7​	7.0​	13.7​	2.3​	0.0​	0.7​	0.7​	6.0​	0.0​	0.3​

Don't want. Akin to the Swallow brothers, but even more likely to turn it over.

 

[andrew cuthbert]

No dickhead policies are over-rated... 'Dickhead' is such a subjective term. SOS was a dickhead himself picking private school boys. A club champion who was a terrible recruiter.

I think you will find that they are public school boys , from APS (Associated Public Schools) system .

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[COBALT BLUE]

Don't want. Akin to the Swallow brothers, but even more likely to turn it over.

Better than nothing?

 

[Gethelred]

No dickhead policies are over-rated... 'Dickhead' is such a subjective term. SOS was a dickhead himself picking private school boys. A club champion who was a terrible recruiter.

I can certainly think of someone I want to subjectively refer to as a dickhead...

 

[Arr0w]

I would play Saad on a wing

 

[Garters]

Would take Brodie in a heart beat for a 3rd or 4th rounder. That is a steal and a good age profile as a long term replacement for Murphy, Ed et al in the middle. Looked a gun in the making in 2019. Don't know why the wheels feel off this year.

 

[Gethelred]

I would play Saad on a wing

Hmmmm...

Why? Do you think he's naturally capable of finding the right positions to play a wing? Wingers need to be able to read the play, better than anyone. I don't see him as that good at reading the game, personally.

 

[Gethelred]

Better than nothing?

No. Not having the ball is better than a turnover.