List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Arr0w]

Still see Gibbons as a starting 22

Here it is again Harks

Can it be any clearer?

 

[HARKER]

Circular coming from you? Hahaha
Gibbons will be best 22 round 1. Never compared him to any other player
It's not hard Harker, put up or back out

One of us has had too much to drink tonight.
I have no idea what you're on about.

I'll take it as a 'no' to my offer and move on.

 

[Arr0w]

One of us has had too much to drink tonight.
I have no idea what you're on about.

I'll take it as a 'no' to my offer and move on.

Haha

Just like we will lose best 22 because they cant play in their preferred position? Or how do we fit all these mids in?

Challenged again and you backtrack once more

Pathetic

 

[Metalcrusher]

Unfinished business. HARKER Arr0w

 

[thylacine60]

Haha

Just like we will lose best 22 because they cant play in their preferred position? Or how do we fit all these mids in?

Challenged again and you backtrack once more

Pathetic

longthinwoodenmissile, any idea how many times you have arrived at this exact same place after becoming enmeshed with this poster?

 

[Thrall]

I wish I shared your optimism for Fogarty as a small forward. Just don't see it. There has got to be more to the role than just the ability to apply forward pressure.

On another note, after having had some time to reflect on our trading, think Jayden Stephenson would have fitted in well as a hf with his pace. Would have preferred we had taken his salary dump and traded out a second rounder and a future third.

I'm very happy with our trade period, but I really think we missed a trick with stephenson. He is a gun, will light it up next year. The kid had glandular fever no wonder he was half ****ed all year

 

[FlowersByIrene]

FB: Plowman Weitering Docherty
HB: Saad Jones Newman
R: DeKoning Cripps Setterfield
C: Williamson Walsh Williams
HF: Fisher McKay Martin
FF: Cuningham Casboult McGovern
Int: Murphy, Curnow, SPS, Betts

Going to be good having SOS, Gibbons, Cottrell, Dow, LoB, Fogarty, Marchbank, Kemp, Philp, Stocker all competing for spots.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Will start ahead of Marchbank and SPS off HB


Plowman Weitering Doc
Kemp Jones Saad

Walsh Cripps Newnes
TDK Williams Setterfield

Martin Levi SPS
Fisher McKay, Fogarty

Gibbons Murphy Willo Newman

The Rest: Betts, Jack, LOB Dow Cuners, Marchbank, Gov, Honey, Ramsay, Philp, Stocker, Cottrell, Kennedy, Pittonet

Injured: Charlie

Not sure if throwing Kemp into the backline to start is the right move however, you have Willo and Newman on the bench for flexibility should it fall over. Maybe one of them will suffice and be even more flexible by having Jack S or Kennedy on the bench.

Feel like this is Kennedy’s last shot at it. Been around a while and yet to cement. Kemp at least goes past him this year.

 

[Thrall]

Fact?.....or fiction?

Bet you 100 that if it's down to one, that Fogarty goes first.

The above was the offer clear as day, Fogarty V Gibbons.

Not questioning Fogarty

But Gibbons will start round 1 if fit, so will take that bet

Above you agreed to the bet Harker offered

Good. Let's be clear now.
No injury intervention...just purely one vs the other. We're on.

Happy to do the same with Newnes & Newman, but let me put up the opponent first.
It really doesn't matter for our games though.....much sooner the win than the money

Above is Harker confirming and agreeing to the bet he offered you

No, not Gibbons v Fogarty

Gibbons will start round 1, fitness permitting

Above you start to try and get out of it.

I see that you say one thing and start an argument with people, then later on you say a completely different thing. You seem to be gaslighting him then trying to make him look bad later.

It's not fair because most people won't read the whole thread and think Harker is trying to backtrack.

This is something you have done to me many times.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Saad and Williams coming in change the dynamics of what is possible between the arcs.... all of a sudden we have leg speed on either side of HBF as well as leg speed in Williams between the arcs - my guess is Cripps will able to do more dishing out to Williams/Walsh on the burst or Williams Martin or Williams / Dow on the burst...the in and under type will become much more useful with some outside run as recievers ...

with that said, a premium will be placed on kicking ability - from the little I've seen of Kemp he adds a tall big body who can actually kick and run - depending on fitness levels he starts with I can see him in the midfield mix - because he can kick and also rotate through forward. Then we also have (hopefully) a ready Stocker to add to mix - who can kick off both sides with penetration and adds some mongrel in tackling...

I dont see Setterfield as having locked in a starting on ball role if we are ( and we will ) play both Ed and Murph as midfielders - Teague is going to want to cover for their kicking weaknesses with alternatives if he wants to improve i50 entries next year and Stterfield is not the best field kick going around anyway...

We shouldn't be wasting McGovern/Harry/Charlie by having weak entries bombed in on to waiting double up defenders...and we should be able to spread any defensive structure with the running power of Cuningham/Fisher/Martin in forward lines...

I think 2020 will see the introduction of corridor football for Carlton - when this was played last year we were pretty much unstoppable eg Geelong game. I also think Carlton will play a very fast brand of football.

Probably a long winded way of saying that blokes who can either cover ground with leg speed or make ground with accurate long kicking will feature more...I see Kemp as one of the classy types who will play ssooner rather than later - fitness allowing - wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't start as a forward if Charlie is not ready.

I agree we are well covered in defensive structure - we need to fit Marchbank in if he is ready - and I see Williamson as a wing option going forward he too can kick.

Coincidentally, I’ve been watching a fair bit of ‘95 Carlton footy in recent times. The formula was simple, Richmond style, force it middle through the corridor and use the clean hands and/or leg speed of Williams, Brown, Kouto, Ratta, Bradles, Bond, Whitehead, Hanna, Christou and clear space for Sticks, Earl and Pearce. Then get bodies to the feet of the keys and capitalise.

Feel like we are not far away from this style with the speed and hands we have now. A key difference: confidence in hands to mark and go.

 

[Jeremias]

Was thinkingif we package picks 38 and 48 we should trade for a mid 20s pick. Really want to have a bite at Bailey Laurie. Looking at his highlights it seems as if he is already a better inside fifty kick than most senior Carlton players.

Might work for a club picking in the 25-30 range if they need a quick points gain.

I doubt we’d do it before draft night and I think we’d probably only do it on draft night for a particular prospect.

 

[BigBreakfast]

More circular games. It's not hard Arrow.
Take my offer or leave it.

All Arrow said was Gibbons will play. That’s it, bottom line. No dog in the fight but, it’s not ambiguous.

 

[Thrall]

All Arrow said was Gibbons will play. That’s it, bottom line. No dog in the fight but, it’s not ambiguous.

Not true, read my post above

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Might work for a club picking in the 25-30 range if they need a quick points gain.

I doubt we’d do it before draft night and I think we’d probably only do it on draft night for a particular prospect.

I reckon if we are only taking one player we should try and get it done pre-draft otherwise it may limit our options come draft night. If we are taking two we should wait and see how it falls.

Moving up then moving out to a future second could also be an option. Would love an extra pick next year.

 

[BigBreakfast]

All Arrow said was Gibbons will play. That’s it, bottom line. No dog in the fight but, it’s not ambiguous.

Read it and don’t agree, all he said was Gibbons will start.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

On Kemp, I’d be glad to see him get through a season of VFL unscathed. Let him dominate off a half back flank with a focus on finding as much footy as possible. Slowly moving into midfield minutes as the year progresses.

Was never recruited for 2021. Between Saad, Doc, Williamson, Newman and Marchy we’ll have enough rebound next year. I’d also trust all 5 defensively over Kemp at this stage. Definitely no rush for mine.

 

[Blues90]

Fact?.....or fiction?

Bet you 100 that if it's down to one, that Fogarty goes first.

Sometimes we let the love we have for current players and wanting to see them succeed overshadow. what may actually happen. Because I don't know if you guys have actually watched a full game from fogarty or not, but unfortunately as much as I love them fisher and gibbons will 100% have their spot under threat with this kid. He's fast tackles more and can kick more goals. Should have been a top 5 pick in his draft year.

 

[Blues90]

On Kemp, I’d be glad to see him get through a season of VFL unscathed. Let him dominate off a half back flank with a focus on finding as much footy as possible. Slowly moving into midfield minutes as the year progresses.

Was never recruited for 2021. Between Saad, Doc, Williamson, Newman and Marchy we’ll have enough rebound next year. I’d also trust all 5 defensively over Kemp at this stage. Definitely no rush for mine.

I want him to develope as a mid not a half back have enough of those

 

[Wickzki]

Read it and don’t agree, all he said was Gibbons will start.

I'm not sure where HARKER got Arr0w saying it'll come down to Fogarty Vs Gibbons.

Arr0w didn't question Fogarty's selection, if it eventuates.

He just stated that Gibbons would be selected, if healthy.

The only way Arr0w loses a bet is if Gibbons isn't selected and Fogarty is.

If both are selected then Arr0w is right in what he said - Gibbons was selected.

I can see a clear path where both are selected and for very different roles.

 

[Blues90]

I'm not sure where HARKER got Arr0w saying it'll come down to Fogarty Vs Gibbons.

Arr0w didn't question Fogarty's selection, if it eventuates.

He just stated that Gibbons would be selected, if healthy.

The only way Arr0w loses a bet is if Gibbons isn't selected and Fogarty is.

If both are selected then Arr0w is right in what he said - Gibbons was selected.

I can see a clear path where both are selected and for very different roles.

But they will play the exact same role?

 

[The Bighouse]

What have you got against Gibbo?

He's missed one game in 2 years since he started, and that was through injury, but you've already written him off for the season opener?

edit: 4 games through injury

For players coming in, there’s got to be players missing out.

Yes, Gibbo has been a regular but pressure will be on a lot of players, who will be replaced will be seen after the pre-season. When best XXII’s are done, it’s easy to overlook MG, especially if a role player like Fogarty is whooed across. New & shiny.

Gibbons, Fisher, SPS, Fogarty, DC & others are vying outside the preferred DT starters for limited spots if we’re injury free. The mature player has been favoured, which could be for MG’s advantage (but it’s time for 4th, 5th & 6th year players to step into the breach at selection time from their need to be picked & then perform).

There’s a stack that could get a guernsey, competition for spots should be at a new level leading into 2021.

 

[Wickzki]

But they will play the exact same role?

I would suggest that Teague would see Gibbons rotating more mid than forward and Fogarty rotating more forward than mid.

TOG% and splits would differentiate the roles quite significantly on a deeper dive.

 

[The Bighouse]

I'm not sure where HARKER got Arr0w saying it'll come down to Fogarty Vs Gibbons.

Arr0w didn't question Fogarty's selection, if it eventuates.

He just stated that Gibbons would be selected, if healthy.

The only way Arr0w loses a bet is if Gibbons isn't selected and Fogarty is.

If both are selected then Arr0w is right in what he said - Gibbons was selected.

I can see a clear path where both are selected and for very different roles.

“Bet you 100 that if it's down to one, that Fogarty goes first.”
That Fogarty may get a round 1 gig over Gibbons was the question...
Acceptance would be for the above scenario, otherwise no bet & the b/s ramble about back tracking etc.

 

[Wickzki]

“Bet you 100 that if it's down to one, that Fogarty goes first.”
That Fogarty may get a round 1 gig over Gibbons was the question...
Acceptance would be for the above scenario, otherwise no bet & the b/s ramble about back tracking etc.

And as Arr0w has stated from the beginning, he's not arguing one over the other. He feels Gibbons will get selected regardless of whether or not Fogarty gets selected.

That one may get selected and one may not is not mutually exclusive.

Arr0w correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I want him to develope as a mid not a half back have enough of those

I agree, but I think a year playing loose off a half back flank doing as he pleases would do him a world of good. It’s not about 2021 for him.