List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Wickzki]

Thoughts on Ed Phillips (related to our OG Andrew Phillips) who the Saints delisted today?

 

[Jeremias]

Thoughts on Ed Phillips (related to our OG Andrew Phillips) who the Saints delisted today?

Yeah I am a fan. Would be keen as a DFA if we have the list spot.

 

[Team DJ]

Thinking left of centre.
We seem to all agree KPP Small Forward and Ruck are the 3 deficiencies we still have.

Likely only going to have 2 list spots to fill them.

Take a KPP and a Small Forward in the main and rookie drafts, replacing the likely departures of Polson and Moore.

Then we find a 205cm 20 year old ex basketballer and sign them to a Cat B rookie deal as our 3rd string and developing ruckman. Can sit on the B list for 3 years.

Job done. Simples [emoji14]

 

[Ash24]

One ruck option that hasn't been discussed much is the defender ruck.

With Marchbank coming back into the team, one option is for him to start on the bench and play most of his minutes as KPD filling in for liam and the rest we a wingman-type.

Liam could fill in for TDK while we still have a solid defense in Weiters Marchy Plowman.

That way we dont need to have one of the forwards ruck.

Very unlikely to happen though.

I highly doubt it would happen, but definitely something worse considering. That way we could roll with the 3 talls being Charlie (Levi if injured), Harry and JSOS. Cripps and Silvagni would rotate both between the forward lines and midfield, relieving some pressure off the skipper. Although none this year, Jones has done quite a bit of ruck relief in the past, and I hope the coaches at least consider this option.

 

[Ash24]

Thinking left of centre.
We seem to all agree KPP Small Forward and Ruck are the 3 deficiencies we still have.

Likely only going to have 2 list spots to fill them.

Take a KPP and a Small Forward in the main and rookie drafts, replacing the likely departures of Polson and Moore.

Then we find a 205cm 20 year old ex basketballer and sign them to a Cat B rookie deal as our 3rd string and developing ruckman. Can sit on the B list for 3 years.

Job done. Simples [emoji14]

We're highly unlikely to find a quality small forward with a pick in the 30s due to our current draft hand. I think we should develop our young small forwards in Philp, Honey, Owies, Fogarty, Fisher, and then next trade period look for some x-factor in that department.

I think there's a number of KPDs and rucks looking to go around the 2nd-3rd of this draft, so we should be all set there.

 

[BluesTragic]

Next year trade wise:

Ben McKay

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Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

. Im obviously a fan and posted numerously for him to be a long term FB for us to target.

Another interesting prospect who also has a brother on our list is Sam de Koning. Plays primarily as a defender but can pinch hit in the ruck (is 201cm) and rested forward as a junior. Wouldn't be a bad option to have a utility on the starting bench. Would be serviceable to cover injuries on the spine.

Midfielder, have to target Merrett. Need to get McKay and Cripps signed soon so the LM team know what they have to work with TPP. Hes not coming cheap and we'll most likely have to trade regardless.

Small forward i would back in either Fogarty or Fish for now. If we have McKay and Curnow firing then the extra goals will come from Martin and Sammo from the flanks if neither Fogarty or Fish shine in this role. Papley would have been nice but Im confident we can make do.

Yep, I’m in the Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

camp if we can get him. Won’t come cheap thoufh

 

[BluesTragic]

Spot on Kelly misses to many games Merret would be perfect for us!

Rowell would be better

 

[Sheephead]

Got to have a look at Oscar McDonald

21

Oscar Mcdonald

Age

29

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

191.4

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

3star

MG

157.7

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

5.4

2star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.4

3star

MG

138.4

3star

don’t we?

 

[8Special K]

Any takers on Trengove from the bulldogs who has just been delisted? Bit of experience in the ruck for insurance and also can play forward if need be.

 

[BigFrizz36]

First to suggest Suckling, Trengrove or Oscar MacDonald deserves a ban. Refer previous poster. We have no need to bring back stuff from the tip.

 

[Aphrodite]

Got to have a look at Oscar McDonald

21

Oscar Mcdonald

Age

29

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

191.4

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

3star

MG

157.7

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

5.4

2star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.4

3star

MG

138.4

3star

don’t we?

Of course he has just been delisted.






Am I doing it right

 

[HARKER]

First to suggest Suckling, Trengrove or Oscar MacDonald deserves a ban. Refer previous poster. We have no need to bring back stuff from the tip.

There are next to no spots available, therefore it's hard for us to be trying to find magic amongst ruins. Don't do it CFC

 

[gbatman]

I had high expectations of Dow and O'Brien when they first arrived, and look how that's turned out. Especially after his knee reconstruction, I'm not putting any pressure on the kid.

In terms of Silvagni, I think he's so valuable to the team and the mid-forward role he plays. In terms of help for Cripps, this is as good as it gets but it's up to the coaches to realise that too. It's time we put some pressure off Cripps and let him spend time up forward while leaving JSOS in the guts. But that just leaves one problem, if the Silvagni-Cripps combo will serve as our third key forward (assuming we're fully fit with Charlie and Harry), who is our ruck relief?

I think Kemp is a bit of a different case to Dow and O'Brien whom both have a hell of a lot more to work on to get AFL ready than Kemp IMO. Kemp should be 100% recovered from the knee that was done in july 2019.

Both Dow and O'Brien had immature bodies. Dow for an inside midfielder and O'Brien is very light on. Both have had to put on quite a lot of weight to get up to scratch for AFL. O'Brien's shere lack of size and physicality and Dow's interrupted season accompanied by an increase in size has seemed to equal a poor running ability. Things I don't see being an issue with Kemp who will not have to put on much size.

Kemp is a different player all together. He's already a mature body and is super skilled and talented, a level above O'Brien and Dow IMO.

He's more the type of player to play good football early in his career because he doesn't have to put much weight on, he's naturally strongly built plus he's quick which allows him to impact in an outside role. He's exactly the type of player that will have an impact from day dot but that will all come down to his endurance running as with AFL so much has to do with a players ability to run up and down the ground at speed all game.

Last season was pretty much a preseason for him, he'll get a good summer of training in before this season so his fitness levels should be really good.

I have my fingers crossed that he will become an elite utility and a genuine forward mid. A bit like Dustin Martin. I'd love to see him get a game on the wing and rest deep forward early in his career. Another reason why he should impact early, because he can rest forward unlike Dow and O'Brien who so far have shown they can only play midfield.

Silvagni would have been really handy this season. He's got an ability to take a mark up forward but also super good at ground level which our talls and McGovern are not. He gives us a bit of physicality and pressure when he goes into the center as well which we lacked in a lot of our games. I think Silvagni is underrated. He's tough and he's clean with his hands and he's got a good football brain. I think he's a player who as his body gets stronger he will get better. His tackling and his ability to stand up in tackles along with clean hands is something we could use and that will improve with age.

I want to go with the Richmond model for relief ruck and just pick the third tallest forward. Keep our rucks out of the forward line, let them sit behind play and in defence more and rotate them in and out of the side more. We saw them win a premiership with Grigg in that role. I would like to see us bite the bullet and use Silvagni or McGovern as our relief ruck.

 

[HARKER]

I think Kemp is a bit of a different case to Dow and O'Brien whom both have a hell of a lot more to work on to get AFL ready than Kemp IMO. Kemp should be 100% recovered from the knee that was done in july 2019.

You can just see that Kemp is omni-potent.
Even through last pre-season he ha that aura around him....Not quite a CCurnow type aura but even more-so than Cripps.

You can just tell that supporters are going to love him and that alone will drive him....but CCurnow....I've never seen adults get so giddy about a player before at training....not Judd, not Cripps, not Murphy....no-one. CCurnow at such an early age was what Fevola was in his later years.

 

[Gethelred]

Against a specific player type, sure. Week-in, week-out, no way. He can body up to a larger mid, like he did Fyfe, but against a smaller & more nimble running player he'd get left for dust.

There's also a potential balance issue, if Jack purely plays out of the middle alonside Cripps & Setters. That's 3 big guys who are hardly quick. You can offset that to a degree, depending on who's also running through the middle & how much pace there is on the wings/flanks, but it's something to consider.

The Cripps-Setterfield-Kennedy trio really struggled when we didn't have the ball, and I worry the same might happen with Jack as the 3rd. Yeah, there's rotations and all that, but you're still wanting your primary dedicated mids (A-team) to spend the majority of the time there and in reality we've normally only got 1 predominantly inside mid on the bench (1 def, 1 inside, 1 outside, 1 fwd).

Jack could be a bit of a fwd/mid utility coming off the bench; can play as a flanker, can kind of play the 3rd tall, can be an inside midfielder or a stopper against certain opposition mids.

I think you could be looking at it - the role of a defensive mid/tagger - wrong. The question isn't or shouldn't be let's stop their most effective player through the midfield (which could comprise more than a single type, on a scale between Dusty to Selwood to Billings to Gaff) but to stop their best avenue to supply within a stoppage.

We're a ball-winning side, the complete opposite to Richmond. We're happy to have stoppage after stoppage, because we back ourselves to win them. So, instead of tagging the opponent's best player, simply tag out their best first touch player with Jack, and then deny them the contested ball.

Think of him as less a one on one player, and more as someone who denies the opposition a clearance, a contested possession, a hitout to advantage. He gets 16-20 disposals, but lets Cripps and Setterfield get 25+ and 5+ clearances each. Their ruckman - trying to spot up the player Jack's sitting - is now working for us, and their game can't get the ball outside.

I think that, rather than conventional/traditional tagging, could work far, far better in modern footy.

 

[thylacine60]

Club and players waiting on list sizes and cap to be finalised.

zee goes full itk......

 

[gbatman]

You can just see that Kemp is omni-potent.
Even through last pre-season he ha that aura around him....Not quite a CCurnow type aura but even more-so than Cripps.

You can just tell that supporters are going to love him and that alone will drive him....but CCurnow....I've never seen adults get so giddy about a player before at training....not Judd, not Cripps, not Murphy....no-one. CCurnow at such an early age was what Fevola was in his later years.

I know exactly what you mean there. Very high hopes for Kemp. Not sure what position though as I feel he could be a top level in any. If he's fit enough he would be great on a wing with stints playing deep forward.

He has a rare mix of abilities. He's tall and a big strong bodied player but he has speed and acceleration to go with that. He's able to play in the center but he's a strong mark and can play forward or back. He's a good athlete but also looks to be a good footballer. I guess when we see him at the level we will see what he can and can't do but the traits he has are rare, they will take time to develop and to get up to AFL standard but that doesn't mean he won't already have enough to be a good AFL player.

I just think he will be one of those guys who's just ready to go a bit like Walsh and Rowell, it's just a matter of where we put him and where we have a spot.

 

[zeeCFC]

I know exactly what you mean there. Very high hopes for Kemp. Not sure what position though as I feel he could be a top level in any. If he's fit enough he would be great on a wing with stints playing deep forward.

He has a rare mix of abilities. He's tall and a big strong bodied player but he has speed and acceleration to go with that. He's able to play in the center but he's a strong mark and can play forward or back. He's a good athlete but also looks to be a good footballer. I guess when we see him at the level we will see what he can and can't do but the traits he has are rare, they will take time to develop and to get up to AFL standard but that doesn't mean he won't already have enough to be a good AFL player.

I just think he will be one of those guys who's just ready to go a bit like Walsh and Rowell, it's just a matter of where we put him and where we have a spot.

If it were up to me, I'd play him and JSOS rotating midfield and HFF. Both capable of winning contested ball and hitting the scoreboard/assisting. Feel we'd be stalling his running development if we played him back (though I concede that may be the first option given his knee).

 

[HARKER]

I know exactly what you mean there. Very high hopes for Kemp. Not sure what position though as I feel he could be a top level in any. If he's fit enough he would be great on a wing with stints playing deep forward.

He has a rare mix of abilities. He's tall and a big strong bodied player but he has speed and acceleration to go with that. He's able to play in the center but he's a strong mark and can play forward or back. He's a good athlete but also looks to be a good footballer. I guess when we see him at the level we will see what he can and can't do but the traits he has are rare, they will take time to develop and to get up to AFL standard but that doesn't mean he won't already have enough to be a good AFL player.

I just think he will be one of those guys who's just ready to go a bit like Walsh and Rowell, it's just a matter of where we put him and where we have a spot.

We don't know for sure, right but he just exudes a presence about him.
Players Weitering, Moore, Lever, Oliver had that presence about them in their TAC year....Kemp is in this company.

CCurnow is an another level though. The love around him is something else.

 

[gbatman]

I'd be up for key position player depth but I don't think we are desperate.

Macreadie on talent will push Jones out if his body comes right which I am expecting it will. Not this season but soon. Casboult IMO will not be best 22 and will provide us with KPP backup for either end however with Curnow injured again I am expecting he will play games.

IMO if things get desperate then McGovern or Marchbank could probably match up on most teams 2nd tallest forward.

As for tall forwards McKay will be our number one and Casboult, McGovern, Silvagni, DeKoning will play around him.

I think we have a good group of small forward types but they are all a bit raw. Focus on developing them and if we get towards the end of next season then we try and poach someone.

I don't think we should be ruling out poaching a key midfielder either. Needs to keep our books open for that and we probably can with Murphy and Betts likely to retire and open cap space. Merrett, Oliver and Kelly all spring to mind as likely targets.

I really think we need to see whether Macreadie is going to come good before targeting a key defender because I would like to target a good one. Not just some makeshift second rate one who will do a job.

 

[gbatman]

If it were up to me, I'd play him and JSOS rotating midfield and HFF. Both capable of winning contested ball and hitting the scoreboard/assisting. Feel we'd be stalling his running development if we played him back (though I concede that may be the first option given his knee).

Yes I think that's an option. Both good in the air and at ground level. I know Kemp could probably slot into our defence easily however I am concerned we could be stifling a really good offensive player. Would prefer he go out there and purely hunt the footy. To put it another way I think he could be a bit to special to just play as a defender unless this is a Kouta scenario where we play him back but in a really offensive role.

We don't know for sure, right but he just exudes a presence about him.
Players Weitering, Moore, Lever, Oliver had that presence about them in their TAC year....Kemp is in this company.

CCurnow is an another level though. The love around him is something else.

Curnow would be the best tall forward in the game by now if it wasn't for injuries. He's a special talent.

 

[JeSOS]

We're highly unlikely to find a quality small forward with a pick in the 30s due to our current draft hand. I think we should develop our young small forwards in Philp, Honey, Owies, Fogarty, Fisher, and then next trade period look for some x-factor in that department.

I think there's a number of KPDs and rucks looking to go around the 2nd-3rd of this draft, so we should be all set there.

I don't understand why people talk about Philp being a small forward. He's 6'2" and runs like a greyhound. Can cover a long distance in a short amount of time. Why would we use him as a small forward. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Ash24]

I don't understand why people talk about Philp being a small forward. He's 6'2" and runs like a greyhound. Can cover a long distance in a short amount of time. Why would we use him as a small forward. It doesn't make sense to me.

A good place to start before he can break into the midfield. Good below his legs and runs all days like a quality small forward. Only 79kg too, so dont know how he would do right now if thrown into the guts.

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[new_blue]

Thoughts on Ed Phillips (related to our OG Andrew Phillips) who the Saints delisted today?

Can run. Can’t kick.

 

[La Dispute]

I think we will be open to playing Kemp up forward early on. Still a fair bit to work out with Curnow out of the team, and someone like JSOS not quite cemented in the best 22.