List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[La Dispute]

Phillips was really solid on debut, and then just kind of disappeared? Think he's too vanilla for the level, and he's basically a diet coke version of Tom. Nice quick hands, but other than that a bit generic. Could realistically get as much out of Ramsey next year, who didn't look overawed over pre-season and has a much better kick than Phillips. Similarly one-paced, but I like his evasion and smarts in traffic.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

First to suggest Suckling, Trengrove or Oscar MacDonald deserves a ban. Refer previous poster. We have no need to bring back stuff from the tip.

Sin bin deserving...

 

[Ash24]

If it were up to me, I'd play him and JSOS rotating midfield and HFF. Both capable of winning contested ball and hitting the scoreboard/assisting. Feel we'd be stalling his running development if we played him back (though I concede that may be the first option given his knee).

I really rate that idea, but I just worry we would be too slow through the middle. Cripps, Curnow, Setters, and then a 4th inside mid in a rotating Kemp/JSOS?

What I think would be a good idea is playing just one of Kemp or JSOS as that 3rd tall forward, then rotating them into the midfield as support for Cripps, allowing him to rest forward. That lets us stay with the 3 inside mid system which Teague seemed to be using the whole year.

 

[Juddernaut08]

We're highly unlikely to find a quality small forward with a pick in the 30s due to our current draft hand. I think we should develop our young small forwards in Philp, Honey, Owies, Fogarty, Fisher, and then next trade period look for some x-factor in that department.

I think there's a number of KPDs and rucks looking to go around the 2nd-3rd of this draft, so we should be all set there.

Solid KPDs can be found late, cheap, and at any age.

Look at Rowe. Jamison. Even Jones.

Look at the cheapish trades that have happened in the last few years for other clubs.

The top 5 will cost a heap. But after that, finding someone solid is doable.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I really rate that idea, but I just worry we would be too slow through the middle. Cripps, Curnow, Setters, and then a 4th inside mid in a rotating Kemp/JSOS?

What I think would be a good idea is playing just one of Kemp or JSOS as that 3rd tall forward, then rotating them into the midfield as support for Cripps, allowing him to rest forward. That lets us stay with the 3 inside mid system which Teague seemed to be using the whole year.

I think Kemp is inside but not slow.

 

[zeeCFC]

I really rate that idea, but I just worry we would be too slow through the middle. Cripps, Curnow, Setters, and then a 4th inside mid in a rotating Kemp/JSOS?

What I think would be a good idea is playing just one of Kemp or JSOS as that 3rd tall forward, then rotating them into the midfield as support for Cripps, allowing him to rest forward. That lets us stay with the 3 inside mid system which Teague seemed to be using the whole year.

As mentioned above, Kemp not at all slow. Have compared him to Goddard previously but he's quicker than Brendan was.

 

[BigBreakfast]

One ruck option that hasn't been discussed much is the defender ruck.

With Marchbank coming back into the team, one option is for him to start on the bench and play most of his minutes as KPD filling in for liam and the rest we a wingman-type.

Liam could fill in for TDK while we still have a solid defense in Weiters Marchy Plowman.

That way we dont need to have one of the forwards ruck.

Very unlikely to happen though.

Like the idea, coaches are so risk averse though, they would rather focus on stopping scoring than the alternative. As a result, I don’t believe any coach would risk the rotation error, fatigue or match up/zoning errors that may result. A mistake like this in the forward line is less costly in the immediacy of the contest.

 

[katmanblue]

You can just see that Kemp is omni-potent.

I look forward to many many father-sons/daughters from the Kemp clan.

 

[Ash24]

As mentioned above, Kemp not at all slow. Have compared him to Goddard previously but he's quicker than Brendan was.

Seeing his ability to play everywhere across the ground, and being an excellent two-way runner, do you see him potentially rotating along the wing/on-ball to compliment Walsh?

 

[Stefchook]

Like the idea, coaches are so risk averse though, they would rather focus on stopping scoring than the alternative. As a result, I don’t believe any coach would risk the rotation error, fatigue or match up/zoning errors that may result. A mistake like this in the forward line is less costly in the immediacy of the contest.

Not sure we've seen too much evidence of that so far in Teague's coaching.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Seeing his ability to play everywhere across the ground, and being an excellent two-way runner, do you see him potentially rotating along the wing/on-ball to compliment Walsh?

i dont know if he has walshs tank. but not many do

 

[zeeCFC]

Seeing his ability to play everywhere across the ground, and being an excellent two-way runner, do you see him potentially rotating along the wing/on-ball to compliment Walsh?

I can't talk to his two way running or his link up marking sadly, haven't seen enough.

When I saw him in the midfield he started in the contest and went from there. Doesn't seem a Crippa or Curnow type to extract it but can definitely play similar to Setterfield in the clinches. Not elite but still noticeable. So just like Setterfield I imagine he could also play a wing role if required. If Cottrell got games there, Kemp could certainly do the same.

Don't think he'll ever be at a Walsh or Rowell level and I've always scoffed at talk he could've gone pick 1, but could certainly be amongst the best five of his cohort if we play our cards right.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Not sure we've seen too much evidence of that so far in Teague's coaching.

True not exactly proactive though. Stoppage rotations are limited, selections are very ‘consistent’ and failure to even try SPS forward suggests a definite lack of creativity. 2021 will be very revealing.

 

[djw1952]

There are next to no spots available, therefore it's hard for us to be trying to find magic amongst ruins. Don't do it CFC

What if the club rookied McDonald instead of Moore..........very handy size wise, in case of injury in the backline.......just theorising that`s all.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Club and players waiting on list sizes and cap to be finalised.

Was under the impression any decreases in the cap would be a % decrease for each individual contract and not a single number taken off the TPP for clubs to work around themselves. Polson, Moore, Kennedy and Macreadie give us some flexibility with list sizes being OOC.

I reckon Crippa and H are both just weighing up their options. I believe both will absolutely stay and are just playing the game to their advantage. We’d have them signed up to 5 year deals tomorrow otherwise.

 

[Sin City]

I think Kemp is inside but not slow.

His three NAB league games from last year are on their YouTube channel, he only played rounds 1, 2 & 3. Plays on the ball the whole time. He is basically a lightning fast version of Setterfield. He’s hard at it, hard chaser and tackler, finds the ball pretty naturally and is a good extractor. So fast for someone that height. Should spend a fair bit of time on the ball in the reserves from day one next year.

 

[smashbox gill]

My boy Sammo will win you over. No reason for him to be on the halfback line now. Hes gonna be the deliverer inside 50 come 2021.

Agreed. SPS in the backline was never a long term thing it was purely a need at the time.
SPS will essentially take over the Murphy role imo. Playing mid and HF delivering the ball inside 50.
I think he, Martin and Cunners should split their time between HF and Mid. All should be in the guts for atleast 30% of the game

 

[CJMB]

I think you could be looking at it - the role of a defensive mid/tagger - wrong. The question isn't or shouldn't be let's stop their most effective player through the midfield (which could comprise more than a single type, on a scale between Dusty to Selwood to Billings to Gaff) but to stop their best avenue to supply within a stoppage.

We're a ball-winning side, the complete opposite to Richmond. We're happy to have stoppage after stoppage, because we back ourselves to win them. So, instead of tagging the opponent's best player, simply tag out their best first touch player with Jack, and then deny them the contested ball.

Think of him as less a one on one player, and more as someone who denies the opposition a clearance, a contested possession, a hitout to advantage. He gets 16-20 disposals, but lets Cripps and Setterfield get 25+ and 5+ clearances each. Their ruckman - trying to spot up the player Jack's sitting - is now working for us, and their game can't get the ball outside.

I think that, rather than conventional/traditional tagging, could work far, far better in modern footy.

I’m not disagreeing with that at all.

Agreed on targeting a player; it’s not necessarily the ‘best’ player, the most prolific ball winner, the typical first receiver.... sometime it may be them, but other times it’s shaping the stoppage, moving the congestion to where they want space to operate.

I think what you’re describing as a singular role would also be shared across several players. I'd look at it as the midfield group being defensively minded at the stoppage rather than a 'pure tag' role (be it around the ground or solely at the stoppage).

I’d be much more comfortable with the Cripps-Setterfield-Silvagni combo at stoppages around the ground than at centre bounces where there’s so much more time and space thanks to 6-6-6. Centre bounces I definitely prefer having a more dynamic player in combination with the ‘big boys’.

It’s all good and well to play to our strengths, like the contested ball, but I’m not sure we should go ‘all in’ and get completely obliterated on the spread every time we don’t win our tap or shark their ruckman.

Like everything, there's always balance, and having flexibility to move between multiple modes or run several simultaneously, depending on how the match is playing out. It's a really interesting discussion, and there's a ridiculous number of permutations that could eventuate, particularly when you start factoring in midfield combinations we could see in 2021 (adding Williams, Setters and Walsh continuing to develop, older heads Ed & Murph, are SPS & Willo moving up the ground, does a Dow/Kemp/O'Brien/Stocker/Fisher/Martin/Fogarty/etc force their way into the midfield group, etc).

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I think Kemp is inside but not slow.

Is Kemp Kiwi for ‘Camp’ ?


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[Brackets]

His three NAB league games from last year are on their YouTube channel, he only played rounds 1, 2 & 3. Plays on the ball the whole time. He is basically a lightning fast version of Setterfield. He’s hard at it, hard chaser and tackler, finds the ball pretty naturally and is a good extractor. So fast for someone that height. Should spend a fair bit of time on the ball in the reserves from day one next year.

How's his vision and speed with hands in comparison to Setterfield?

 

[Sin City]

How's his vision and speed with hands in comparison to Setterfield?

Good, as I mentioned he’s a good extractor. Tries to use his leg speed to break away from traffic more than Setterfield. Good at wrestling the ball out at the bottom of the pack and dishing the handball out. Don’t take my word for it though, have a look for yourself.

 

[iAsbestos]

Solid KPDs can be found late, cheap, and at any age.

Look at Rowe. Jamison. Even Jones.

Look at the cheapish trades that have happened in the last few years for other clubs.

The top 5 will cost a heap. But after that, finding someone solid is doable.

Do a Hawthorn and keep poaching KPD's at ease

 

[Arr0w]

Without a shadow of doubt we need another KPD

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Without a shadow of doubt we need another KPD

Nah I think we'll be fine, if Jones or Weitering goes down they can just get me to play down back, I'll do it for free cos I love the game.

I'm only 191cm though, so not quite key height, but I make up for it with heart.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Just had another look back on Kemp's highlights.

Geeze, I forgot how good he looks. Keep forgetting that we basically have the equivalent of a top 5 draft pick from last season sitting in the wings waiting to come in. I might start sliding the big beautiful boy into my Round 1 Best 22's. He's got the x-factor for it.