List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Jeremias]

Im not sure how recruiting players, who were let go for not being good enough, or being professional enough at one club, bringing them to our club and delisting them after 1-2 seasons are smart acquisitions.

Again, context is king.

Which players are you talking about specifically?

 

[La Dispute]

Probably an unpopular opinion but I would much rather overpay for players in areas of real need than miss out completely because we're too stubborn to fork out the required cash to bring in a free agent.

This holding pattern of 'oh well we missed out, I guess we will go through another season with limited senior support' has got to stop.

 

[Robertio]

I know i'm a bit of a broken record with this, but it would be really nice if guys like Dow/LOB/Stocker/Setterfield were having the same kind of impact for our team as Rozee/Duursma/Butters are for Port. They were all AMAZING against Adelaide on the weekend and very good last year too. Intensity, flair, skills, hard running, defensive intent.

I know we have one ourselves in Walsh and we can't expect all kids to have such a big impact straight away, but a few more from all our high draft picks over recent years would be nice and would be that little lift we need to win more games.

Dow/LOB/Stocker/Kennedy aren't even in the team and all have some clear weaknesses to work on.
And while best 22, we need a bit more from Fisher/SPS/Setterfield/Cuningham.

Probably better off judging Rozze, Butters and Duursma, after they lose a game.

 

[djholmes]

Where do you play him?
Still best 22?

Yes. He is still in our best 22, rotating in the midfield. But Connor Rozee is more electric than Walsh and should have been our number 1 pick.

 

[Juice030103]

We need a pacey midfielder and another gun half forward like Martin. Then the improvement to our side will be enormous. Contested marking is our strong point but we need damaging players and if we can just get 2-3 more guys that can break open the game then the side will look unstoppable

 

[F_therest]

Like you, I am also a Stocker fan. Watched him closely in the VFL and his AFL games last year. He looked to me to have a great mix of toughness, mongrel and skills (on both sides). Clearly his tank is an issue. In the VFL game I went to, they rotated him very heavily off the ground. It was short spurts and then off.

However, my question is: where is this kid at in the pecking order? Has had no injury issues since the start of pre-season in November. Played as a half forward to little effect vs Pies in the pre-season scratch match. Didn’t get picked to play in any official pre-season game, including against Freo where we played 26 players and had 7-8 best 22 players not travel to Perth. Rather, he was playing in the VFL practice matches. Hasn’t been named emergency for either of the two games. I understand bringing him along slowly but something seems up. Would be keen to hear if anyone has intel. The only reason I raise this point is because I really liked what I saw from him last year. It feels like we need his mongrel, physicality and attitude.

With the way the game is played, a lack of endurance is a big concern for me and I don't want us to ever draft anyone with poor endurance.

Especially as a mid, it's important Stocker can run up and down the ground, getting back quickly to guard dangerous space, be able to chase down opponents and have the endurance to keep pushing into space to provide options for the ball carrier and get from contest to contest. You mentioned we rotated him heavily even at VFL level which is slower paced, plus we have an interchange cap we can't be using up on one player.

If he can't do this, then despite his other talents he'll never be a great player. Maybe not even a good one. He'll need to develop himself to play a less taxing position like as a defender which we have played him in previously.

 

[F_therest]

Would certainly take a look at him give his FA status. Be interesting to see how we approach the trade period of the year without SOS.
SOS would never over-pay anyone, so lets see what Austin and his team does.

B Crouch isn't what we need imo.

Yeah we need another big bodied ball winning mid, but for me we need one who can also provide burst and is a good runner.

B Crouch is quite one-dimensional and one-paced. I don't think he'd work well with Cripps who is also not the best runner.
I think Wines is a bit quicker and more aggressive so i'd definitely prefer him over Crouch.

The ideal would be a Dangerfield type...hard nut good at the contest who can burst away from stoppages and be damaging on the outside. Of course Danger is a superstar, but that type of midfielder who can do both is what we need ideally. Finding one is another matter.

 

[F_therest]

Probably better off judging Rozze, Butters and Duursma, after they lose a game.

I'm not judging them off one game, they were all impressive last year too. Of course the Adelaide demolition would have been one of their better games but it was the traits they brought which was exciting - eg intensity, hard running, flair, defensive pressure. Would love to see more of that from some of our recent draftees.

 

[F_therest]

We need a pacey midfielder and another gun half forward like Martin. Then the improvement to our side will be enormous. Contested marking is our strong point but we need damaging players and if we can just get 2-3 more guys that can break open the game then the side will look unstoppable

Wines and Papley would be nice and seems realistic...would be hard to trade in both in 1 year though. Our 2020 & 2021 1sts would need to be involved.

Based on the weekend's team having Papley in for Lang and Wines in for Setterfield would have been pretty nice.

 

[HARKER]

Probably an unpopular opinion but I would much rather overpay for players in areas of real need than miss out completely because we're too stubborn to fork out the required cash to bring in a free agent.

This holding pattern of 'oh well we missed out, I guess we will go through another season with limited senior support' has got to stop.

To be fair though, it's not as though we didn't give it a good shot with Coniglio, Papley and Martin last year.
Each player would have been a huge improvement on the players they would have been replacing.

I don't want us replacing a 6/10 player with a 7/10 player.
We have to replace the 5/10 player with a 9/10 player. That's progress.

 

[La Dispute]

To be fair though, it's not as though we didn't give it a good shot with Coniglio, Papley and Martin last year.
Each player would have been a huge improvement on the players they would have been replacing.

I don't want us replacing a 6/10 player with a 7/10 player.
We have to replace the 5/10 player with a 9/10 player. That's progress.

Not good enough if we weren't able to land Coniglio, who was exactly the kind of player we need and brings far more to the club than just his on-field performance which is in the absolute top bracket. Papley yeh we couldn't do much because Sydney dropped the deal, and Martin basically fell in our laps.

I'm not sure who you're alluding to with the player ratings though? The exact point I'm trying to make is we seriously lack quality players aren't bargaining hard enough because it's far easier, and much more convenient to stick to the status quo, which isn't working. The club needs to stop concocting visions of grandeur, and actually start showing that this plan they have been selling us for 5 years is actually working.

Our constant reference to 'the future' is actually quite grating when we're so rubbish in the present.

 

[Stamos]

Probably an unpopular opinion but I would much rather overpay for players in areas of real need than miss out completely because we're too stubborn to fork out the required cash to bring in a free agent.

This holding pattern of 'oh well we missed out, I guess we will go through another season with limited senior support' has got to stop.

Depends on the "need".

We're yet to miss out on a genuine need due to not offering overs.

 

[Stamos]

Not good enough if we weren't able to land Coniglio

The guy who the AFL intervened to keep at his old club?

 

[Robertio]

I'm not judging them off one game, they were all impressive last year too. Of course the Adelaide demolition would have been one of their better games but it was the traits they brought which was exciting - eg intensity, hard running, flair, defensive pressure. Would love to see more of that from some of our recent draftees.

IMO the three of them will be very good players for a long time. Had front row seats to most of Zak Butters junior career at Darley as my grandson was in the same age group.

 

[HARKER]

Not good enough if we weren't able to land Coniglio, who was exactly the kind of player we need and brings far more to the club than just his on-field performance which is in the absolute top bracket. Papley yeh we couldn't do much because Sydney dropped the deal, and Martin basically fell in our laps.

I'm not sure who you're alluding to with the player ratings though? The exact point I'm trying to make is we seriously lack quality players aren't bargaining hard enough because it's far easier, and much more convenient to stick to the status quo, which isn't working. The club needs to stop concocting visions of grandeur, and actually start showing that this plan they have been selling us for 5 years is actually working.

Our constant reference to 'the future' is actually quite grating when we're so rubbish in the present.

We do have quality on the list and it's up to us to make good from that quality and fill the right gaps.

It's not easy reeling in premium players and we won't be seeing three top-liners find their way to the CFC this year. It just won't happen.
We were close last year but the opportunities just won't be there again in 2020.

We have to get Stocker to be the Wines we suddenly need.
We need to develop Dow to be that dashing mid we desperately require.
Setterfields pre-season form has to be mirrored in the season proper.
We want Kemp to have the season Rozee had last year etc etc

Yes, we need some players but we have to get the right one or two and develop properly what we have, as if we can't?....What's the point?

 

[La Dispute]

The guy who the AFL intervened to keep at his old club?

Was this ever confirmed? Aside from Gil's preference for him to stay, I haven't read anything indicating the contrary.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Probably an unpopular opinion but I would much rather overpay for players in areas of real need than miss out completely because we're too stubborn to fork out the required cash to bring in a free agent.

This holding pattern of 'oh well we missed out, I guess we will go through another season with limited senior support' has got to stop.

100% and i think we have been prepared to do this.. We were prepared to overpay last year for Papley but Essendon fcked us, we threw the kitchen sink at Coniglio yet he chose loyalty and success.. The year before we were the highest bidder in the Shiel pursuit yet he chose to sign with Essendon

 

[Stamos]

Was this ever confirmed? Aside from Gil's preference for him to stay, I haven't read anything indicating the contrary.

What sort of confirmation are you expecting?

 

[La Dispute]

We do have quality on the list and it's up to us to make good from that quality and fill the right gaps.

It's not easy reeling in premium players and we won't be seeing three top-liners find their way to the CFC this year. It just won't happen.
We were close last year but the opportunities just won't be there again in 2020.

We have to get Stocker to be the Wines we suddenly need.
We need to develop Dow to be that dashing mid we desperately require.
Setterfields pre-season form has to be mirrored in the season proper.
We want Kemp to have the season Rozee had last year etc etc

Yes, we need some players but we have to get the right one or two and develop properly what we have, as if we can't?....What's the point?

This is exactly the line of thinking that I'm referring to. Essentially crystal-balling a whole bunch of alternative scenarios that haven't even got close to materialising, and if we're looking exposed form, are actually unlike to ever eventuate.

We can speculate and hypothesise on how good these players will be, because that's far more comforting than confronting the reality that unless we start to obtain senior genuine senior support we're effectively wasting years of development. We could have (and should have) been far more aggressive in trading in players who will actually add something to the squad.

We need to abandon the ideology of the the 'right player' for the CFC. Again, this is just bringing us back into thinking we're above pragmatic list building, which we keep indicating through these vague allusions to not wanting to be a mid-table club. I'd much rather find quality players than pigeonhole TAC Cup players as our major stockholders.

 

[La Dispute]

What sort of confirmation are you expecting?

Anything beyond Bigfooty innuendo would be a major start.

These Chinese whispers always have a habit of infecting the place until they become gospel.

 

[Aphrodite]

What sort of confirmation are you expecting?

AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan wants star free agent Stephen Coniglio to stay at Greater Western Sydney

AFL boss has a message for Coniglio: ‘I want him to stay up there’

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[La Dispute]

AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan wants star free agent Stephen Coniglio to stay at Greater Western Sydney

AFL boss has a message for Coniglio: ‘I want him to stay up there’

www.foxsports.com.au

Exactly - the CEO said he'd like him to stay, which is pretty obvious given the AFL's investment in GWS, so in the eyes of Bigfooty his opinion = intervening.

Use some common sense - Coniglio wasn't re-signing just because Gil wants him to.

 

[Own The Future]

Exactly - the CEO said he'd like him to stay, which is pretty obvious given the AFL's investment in GWS, so in the eyes of Bigfooty his opinion = intervening.

Use some common sense - Coniglio wasn't re-signing just because Gil wants him to.

My hunch is he was given more money outside the cap to get closer to the $ being offered elsewhere.
That said, I’m not complaining about it because as we all know Carlton has done this for years - some above board, some not so much...

 

[HBF]

5. Brodie Kemp

Best position: Inside midfield/tall utility

Height, weight: 192cm, 89kg

Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers

Projected draft range: 5-15

Plays like: Marcus Bontempelli

October Ranking: 5

Rationale: Among the midfielders or tall utilities with the greatest upside in the pool, Kemp made big plays in big moments during the Under-18 Championships. He sustained a season-ending ACL tear which likely will keep him out for the next year.

Strengths: Stands up in the big moments, versatility to impact games in any position other than ruck, acceleration, breaks the lines at high speed, movement and evasion through traffic, wins first possession at stoppages on the move, wins ground balls on the move, ground ball winning, distribution by hand, intercept marking, reading of the ball in flight, aerial marking, one-on-one marking, leadup marking, contested marking, marking forward of centre, threat one-out in the goal square, hurt factor by foot, places kicks out in front of targets to lead onto, vision

Weaknesses: Needs to find more of the ball to become a top tier midfielder, consistency over four quarters, unclear best position

This was Knightmare's write up of Kemp last year. If he can recover properly from his ACL and we give him all the time we need we could have a dead set gun on our hands. Him, Walsh and Cripps together, and if we can land an established mid in the off-season might see us make 2021 the year we finally move up the ladder.

 

[Own The Future]

This was Knightmare's write up of Kemp last year. If he can recover properly from his ACL and we give him all the time we need we could have a dead set gun on our hands. Him, Walsh and Cripps together, and if we can land an established mid in the off-season might see us make 2021 the year we finally move up the ladder.

Such a tantalising prospect.
Have only seen glimpses in the draft profile videos, but his combination of size and power in a mid/utility is really something we desperately need.
Equally the way the coaches/fitness staff rave about his commitment to recovery is a great sign. From all reports he’s quite sure of himself, but confidence is not a bad thing.