List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Blue__Balls]

This is where we are now.
I'd be disappointed with our approach should it still be one of; 'Wait until you see what we can make out of this guy'

Trade for immediate deficiencies now and if we don't go to the draft, even in the next two years - So what?
We have to develop all the highly rated 'kids' we have now and if we somehow have a problem doing that, why on earth would be bring in more?

Imagine if we picked up a Lachie Neale and Chalie Cameron now with what amounted to roughly picks #5 and #13?
Brisbane seemed to have timed their change of tack well and it has to be our time to do so, also.

Yep.

If one of those sorts falls into our lap (ie. McHenry's manager calls us up and says he's keen) then I don't mind grabbing them if the price is right. But our focus should be on acquiring immediate impact players, and we should be ensuring that we use our resources accordingly. No committing a second rounder to McHenry until Papley is either in the bag or has been ruled out.

Having seen Martin's impact in the middle, and knowing that's the position he was always expected to occupy (when drafted), I think we can probably assume Papley is priority #1. I think we could probably still look at another small forward as well, but I'd also hope that going into 2021 we'd be comfortable selecting at least one of Owies, Honey, Ramsay or Phillips to play that role, particularly if they're playing alongside a more experienced player like Papley.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Agreed. It's time for us to go Hawks mode. Identify the positional and structural need and go out and nab the best possible player that meets the requirements.

Hawks did it with Gibson, Burgouyne, and so many others. They went out, put the currency to get it done, and did just that.

It'll come at the expense of good draft picks and potentially good footballers so not everybody will be happy all of the time but rarely does something come free.

Yes and no.

We need to target players in specific positions, but shouldn't sell the farm for them.

We should target very good underrated players. Refer to Adam Saad, Devon Smith, Jarman Impey, Josh Caddy or Alex Keath type deals.

Lets be smart about our trading.

Don't quote me on this, but last time I checked, Marc Pittonet didn't cost us 2 x first round draft picks. He's emerging as a serious player for us

 

[Wickzki]

Yes and no.

We need to target players in specific positions, but shouldn't sell the farm for them.

We should target very good underrated players. Refer to Adam Saad, Devon Smith, Jarman Impey, Josh Caddy or Alex Keath type deals.

Lets be smart about our trading.

Don't quote me on this, but last time I checked, Marc Pittonet didn't cost us 2 x first round draft picks. He's emerging as a serious player for us

Hawks were very smart in their trading. They didn't overpay to get what they needed. They knew what currency they had and which players that would get for that currency. If it takes us out of the draft, so be it. How many 18-22 year old's does one need when entering a premiership window?

That's why I want us to go Hawks mode.

 

[Iwishicouldplay4themoney]

Speaking of the Suns, absolutely think we should look at Brayden Fiorini. OOC there. Pushed out of their 22 atm.

Yep he played a great game against us last year playing on cripps. Another suns player to look at is sexton. Great speed, kicks goals and tackles. Go hard for papley first. Also get williams and ward (for leadership for 2 years).

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Doable in terms of $$$$$?

Im a big fan of Williams, he is my number 1 target, but for him to leave GWS, it would have to be over getting a crap offer. For that to happen, we would have to be considerable better.

Wines will not be cheap, picks or $$$ but i really like him

Papley also won't be cheap but not like the others.

We do have cap space though and we have a few older guys that could be given a nudge if we needed to make more. Lets just hope we win quite a few games to really sell ourselves.

Williams, Wines and Fiorini for me.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

He's been pushed out of GC's best 22, but somehow he'd be in ours?
What would he add that we really need? One could say the same about Brodie and maybe even (2mt Peter) Wright.
I don't think it's what we're looking for, although they would come cheap.

First rounders for proven, and more importantly, players that immediately make us better.
Second rounders for too-good-to-be-true young players and then third rounders for players that are far better than for what we may find in the draft...
Something like that....but there's a long way to go.

Quality. He's a quality player IMO.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Yep.

If one of those sorts falls into our lap (ie. McHenry's manager calls us up and says he's keen) then I don't mind grabbing them if the price is right. But our focus should be on acquiring immediate impact players, and we should be ensuring that we use our resources accordingly. No committing a second rounder to McHenry until Papley is either in the bag or has been ruled out.

Having seen Martin's impact in the middle, and knowing that's the position he was always expected to occupy (when drafted), I think we can probably assume Papley is priority #1. I think we could probably still look at another small forward as well, but I'd also hope that going into 2021 we'd be comfortable selecting at least one of Owies, Honey, Ramsay or Phillips to play that role, particularly if they're playing alongside a more experienced player like Papley.

I think it may be just me, but Im struggling to get on board with Papley TBH. Was happy to get him last year, but now Im unsure.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Toby McLean...
Played his best footy as a mid but is now stuck in a pocket due to the depth in their midfield. Contracted to 2022 but might be gettable. Dogs might need currency for JUH bids, so could be a win-win.

Like him, he can certainly play..

 

[TBellicious]

Okay so literally in the space of a fortnight we have discovered how incredible the value was in the acquisition of Pittonet and Martin
As well as the promise of Philp and Honey

Why is SOS not at the club?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I think it may be just me, but Im struggling to get on board with Papley TBH. Was happy to get him last year, but now Im unsure.

Kicks goals and tackles. Two things we aren’t very well known for.

His mongrel alone would be a massive boost for our kids. A must this offseason IMO.

 

[agro]

Okay so literally in the space of a fortnight we have discovered how incredible the value was in the acquisition of Pittonet and Martin
As well as the promise of Philp and Honey

Why is SOS not at the club?

SOS had nothing to do with Martin and precious little to do with Pittonet.

 

[Sheephead]

I’d be inclined to ring WCE and see about Gaff. He has an opt out at the end of this season, but a trade may be an option.

Wines may well become surplus and tradeable if Ports young guns keep delivering.

...and I think both Crouch boys will be very gettable come years end, with Matt my preferred option.

All add to our midfield experience and depth.

Any love for Jeffy Garlett? Read a few articles saying he’s still AFL fit. Another lightning quick small indigenous would add so much To our forward line. Eddie gave GEE kittens. Cuningham has never moved the needle for me As a forward. Maybe move him back and bring Sammy forward.

 

[jpfalvo]

SOS had nothing to do with Martin and precious little to do with Pittonet.

Who do we thank for those two gems?

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[Arr0w]

Speaking of the Suns, absolutely think we should look at Brayden Fiorini. OOC there. Pushed out of their 22 atm.

If he doesn't stay at GC, he will end up being a Pie

 

[agro]

Who do we thank for those two gems?

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Martin only came because of his junior relationship with Cripps and his desire to play with Betts, whom SOS didn’t want, Teague had to stand firm to get his way for Betts.

SOS was after Darcy Cameron (who would have been a good get), when Cameron us knocked back, we had to scramble for another big man.

 

[thylacine60]

apparently crippa got in martin's ear............mick gatto spoke to pittonet I believe.............

 

[Arr0w]

Hawks were very smart in their trading. They didn't overpay to get what they needed. They knew what currency they had and which players that would get for that currency. If it takes us out of the draft, so be it. How many 18-22 year old's does one need when entering a premiership window?

That's why I want us to go Hawks mode.

Not so sure Wick

Hawks built their team/flag predominantly through the draft and FA

Now they seem to be doing what the Cats have done trying to stay relevant

Have no issue targeting FA, or using high picks for established players, but you never forego any draft completely

 

[DangerousD]

I think it may be just me, but Im struggling to get on board with Papley TBH. Was happy to get him last year, but now Im unsure.

Come on, tell us why? He’s been playing well and plays a position we are in need of. Where has the uncertainty come from?

 

[HARKER]

Hawthorn: I'll take 4 flags in 8 years and worry about being relevant thereafter, any day.

We're kidding ourselves if we don't think they're somehow not relevant any more.
Maybe they shouldn't be because of their list but they're never completely out of things either, given what they've put in place.

The CFC haven't finished above Hawthorn for over 10 years now.......Facts are important

 

[DangerousD]

Who do we thank for those two gems?

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I heard Martin was dating SOS”s daughter

 

[F_therest]

This is where we are now.
I'd be disappointed with our approach should it still be one of; 'Wait until you see what we can make out of this guy'

Trade for immediate deficiencies now and if we don't go to the draft, even in the next two years - So what?
We have to develop all the highly rated 'kids' we have now and if we somehow have a problem doing that, why on earth would be bring in more?

Imagine if we picked up a Lachie Neale and Chalie Cameron now with what amounted to roughly picks #5 and #13?
Brisbane seemed to have timed their change of tack well and it has to be our time to do so, also.

We already have changed our tack...went really hard at coniglio and papley. Connected to wines.

Landed martin and McGovern the year before.

No doubt we'll go hard again for mature guns.

 

[Arr0w]

Hawthorn: I'll take 4 flags in 8 years and worry about being relevant thereafter, any day.

We're kidding ourselves if we don't think they're somehow not relevant any more.
Maybe they shouldn't be because of their list but they're never completely out of things either, given what they've put in place.

The CFC haven't finished above Hawthorn for over 10 years now.......Facts are important

Harks don't tell me you too have become a rear vision mirror watcher

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Hawthorn: I'll take 4 flags in 8 years and worry about being relevant thereafter, any day.

We're kidding ourselves if we don't think they're somehow not relevant any more.
Maybe they shouldn't be because of their list but they're never completely out of things either, given what they've put in place.

The CFC haven't finished above Hawthorn for over 10 years now.......Facts are important

As long as they have Clarko they’ll be okay. I think some of their list management decisions will limit how far they can go though.

 

[HARKER]

Harks don't tell me you too have become a rear vision mirror watcher

Hawthorn made the right move in trading for needs ahead of going to the draft when they did.
The CFC is now in a position to do the same, adding immediate quality ahead of potential quality. We probably agree on this front.

What's this 'become a rear vision watcher' thing? Am I outside the circle of trust?
It's about knowing where we are in the scheme of things and to announce Hawthorn as 'trying to stay relevant' is......come on now?
99% of us would be happy to be as irrelevant as Hawthorn are, given the recent success they've had. No team can stay on top for ever and a day, yet they're still doing OK after what was always going to be a dip. We didn't just dip....we dove down deep.

Right now, we're just pretending and maybe we need to put others down to feel better about oursleves.
The CFC is heading in the right direction (Can't get worse than 18th) but there's a long...long...way to go, before we can suggest teams that are constantly above us, as trying to stay relevant. They are relevant and will continue to attract players before we will, for what they have put in place.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Hawthorn: I'll take 4 flags in 8 years and worry about being relevant thereafter, any day.

We're kidding ourselves if we don't think they're somehow not relevant any more.
Maybe they shouldn't be because of their list but they're never completely out of things either, given what they've put in place.

The CFC haven't finished above Hawthorn for over 10 years now.......Facts are important

It's also true that they haven't won a final since 2015 I believe.