List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Kreuuuzeurns]

IMO why would we want a slow, one dimensional player like Crouch?

Adelaide's issue is they have too many similar, slow mids with the Crouch brothers and Sloane.

As good as Cripps is, the fact he's not the quickest or the best spreader from a contest means we can't have other slow mids around him. We use Cripps and Ed at almost every centre square bounce...supported by someone quicker like Martin/Murphy/Cunners/Setterfield (though Setters aint that quick).

Just because he's a FA doesn't mean we should go for him...he has to fit our team balance/structure and he will still cost salary cap that could potentially be used better elsewhere. I just don't think he'd actually improve us that much if at all.

Hmm. I might be the only one who actually rates Crouch here. He did win a best and fairest last season and would instantly improve us. Speed is Adelaide’s issue and not our own.

Ed is not going to last forever. He’d allow Cripps to rest forward more often and would take the pressure off Walsh, Fish, SPS, Dow etc. and allow them to be the second link instead of finding their own ball.

On top of that it allows us to chase Papley, which getting a Wines wouldn’t.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Hmm. I might be the only one who actually rates Crouch here. He did win a best and fairest last season and would instantly improve us. Speed is Adelaide’s issue and not our own.

Ed is not going to last forever. He’d allow Cripps to rest forward more often and would take the pressure off Walsh, Fish, SPS, Dow etc. and allow them to be the second link instead of finding their own ball.

On top of that it allows us to chase Papley, which getting a Wines wouldn’t.

Look, he's a bloody good footballer, and if he came over he'd instantly be our second best mid, however my issue is what we have to give up for him. He's a restricted FA, which means the only way we get him is through two avenues:

- We offer him a massive contract that Adelaide choose not to match, thus overpaying him.

- We offer a smaller, fairer contract that Adelaide match, forcing us to trade for him, making us unable to trade for Papley anyway.

I don't think either of those avenues are worth exploring for him.

 

[DangerousD]

There's one thing we don't seem to talk about, or maybe don't want to:
Which young players are we willing to trade out? We're not going to be able to keep them all and especially so, should we reel in a couple of premium gets.

The CFC like Marchbank, but I can see a situation where we may trade.
O'Brien may quite easily find himself without a spot in the team and Sydney may still be keen.
Could W.A. lure Fisher back?
What about SPS? Does he want to be a HBF'er?

Something will give whether it be this year or the next? I have little doubt.

There were lots of errors and some misfortunes as well (Giles=injury, Menzel=personal issues, Yarran=personal issues) but it was a pretty poor showing regardless. I think there was a lot more involved also - Like a lack of development for starters.

It’s possible that we might not need to trade many if any required players going forward. Our side on the weekend included Curnow, Murphy, Simpson, Betts, Casboult and Jones, so there is plenty of players going out over the next few years to allow for regeneration.

We have also found that, despite our best intentions, some players we pick up, just simply won’t come on as expected, at this stage, it looks like Kennedy will struggle and I’m sure there will be another one or two that others don’t want to admit, just wont make the grade.

Im unsure of where Marchbank sits in our set up, if injury free, who does he replace and does he have any currency?

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

As much as I rate Gaff, he's not quite the player we're looking for, and he's just outside of our age range IMO.

Although we don't need anymore slow, plodding midfielders i.e Crouch, Cripps still needs a bit of a chop out and Gaff is not the man for the job. He is as outside as they come, consistently leading the league in uncontested possessions, and the most tackles he's ever averaged in a year is 3.

Again, great player, but not one we're screaming out for, and juuuuuuuust out of our ideal age range.

Papely and Fiorini and i'd consider the rebuild just about complete.

 

[norway blue]

Yeah all fair points Doo . All out for the swan star for me . Hopefully Daniher goes up this time .


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[Red Bull]

Not interested in paying B.Crouch a hefty salary, he’s not much better than average ...

Not interested in handing Gaff a hefty and lengthy contract at 29yo.

Papley is where I’m more than happy to spend, our 1st rounder would obviously be the centrepiece of the trade.

GWS, as always, are the wildcard.
With so much midfield talent, who knows who could be shaken loose for a variety of different reasons.
Ward and Kelly have been discussed here previously, obviously for differing reasons and circumstances.
I’d be very keen to chat to either of them and also sound out Ian Hill whilst I’m at it ...

 

[reubsblues]

I would happily take Sloane if he wanted out
Ticks all the boxes for us even at 30

 

[DangerousD]

A lot of posters have wished a desire to recruit Hately and Caldwell from the Giants, bot look like good youngsters but are largely unproven, but no one seems to be talking about another of their players, who is so far having a breakout season and is out of contract and that is Harry Perryman.

He averages 18 possesions, is currently in his fourth season, so he is actually hitting a very good size and age bracket, he is also hitting the scoreboard. He defiantly is one to watch and would be a great aquasituion.

 

[Red Bull]

I would happily take Sloane if he wanted out
Ticks all the boxes for us even at 30

Newly appointed captain on a lucrative 5 year contract.
He’s going down with the ship ...

 

[Benaly28]

We don’t need anymore youngsters just some senior bodies.


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[Benaly28]

It’s possible that we might not need to trade many if any required players going forward. Our side on the weekend included Curnow, Murphy, Simpson, Betts, Casboult and Jones, so there is plenty of players going out over the next few years to allow for regeneration.

We have also found that, despite our best intentions, some players we pick up, just simply won’t come on as expected, at this stage, it looks like Kennedy will struggle and I’m sure there will be another one or two that others don’t want to admit, just wont make the grade.

Im unsure of where Marchbank sits in our set up, if injury free, who does he replace and does he have any currency?

On a wing would be perfect for him.


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[Kramer1]

Gaff would be a great get. I'd be quite keen on Isaac Smith too for a couple of years...if Murph and Simmo hang them up.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Brayden Sier will be on the market again after this year if he doesn’t get regular senior game time (according to his sister).

He could be a cheaper option if we’re looking to bring in bigger bodied options to support Cripps and our kids in the middle.

She seems to think he’ll end up in Sydney though where he won’t be in the spot light as much and he can continue to play games of local basketball and smoke cigarettes relatively undetected.

 

[norway blue]

We don’t need anymore youngsters just some senior bodies.


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Good quality though . A graders


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[ABigOlDoofus]

Brayden Sier will be on the market again after this year if he doesn’t get regular senior game time (according to his sister).

He could be a cheaper option if we’re looking to bring in bigger bodied options to support Cripps and our kids in the middle

She seems to think he’ll end up in Sydney though we’re he won’t be in the spot light as much and he can continue to play games of local basketball and smoke cigarettes relatively undetected.

If he wants to come and we can get the right price for him I'd be very happy to get him.

However, like you said I think if he does leave, he wouldn't want to move to another big 4 club under just as much scrutiny from the media. Plus he'd be a good fit at somewhere like Sydney, with JPK entering his twilight and none of their young brigade projecting as his replacement from what I can see.

 

[DangerousD]

On a wing would be perfect for him.


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Ive seen it mentioned, I’m not sure he is fast enough, leg speed or decision making, ive never thought of him as being damaging by foot.
Hipefully he can stay fit long enough for us to find out.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I think wait until the end of the year and see where we are at, who knows who will come through and step up.

Spot on GB, we may be pleasantly surprised with how much improvement these kids can show, also team wise as well.. Certainly could make us go a different direction than that was originally planned...

 

[Leon Black]

Hey boys and girls quick question you all and sorry if it’s been address but I just wanted to get an idea on how likley people thought it was that we could still land Papley, I’m a little sceptical based on contract witch but still hopeful

 

[Thehurdle]

We don’t need anymore youngsters just some senior bodies.


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I can understand that given how young our list is. But I think its too simple to say no more youngsters. I watched the GWS v Bulldogs game. Bailey Smith, 19 you, hard as nails, tough, as hard as Libba at the ball. Close to if not BoG. Would love to have him. Has improved significantly from his time as an 18yo, first year player. I was actually watching the game to assess Hatley and Caldwell. Both good on a tough night. Caldwell, hard at it from the outset, but tired in the second half - needs to build a tank. I can see him really maturing next year but more like 2022 Before you see what you end up with. Not as advanced as Smith. Hatley played as an outsider and is much more lean. Did a few remarkable things, one handball reminiscent of a young Patty Cripps. Hard to know how good they’ll be. Neither looks the answer for 2021. So if we got one or both of Caldwell or Hatley, I’d look at a cheap senior mid for 2 years from a rebuilding club. Someone who tackled ferociously. If a Hugh Greenwood was available I’d look at them. His brief would be clear - be a massive physical presence around the ball. Don’t worry about breakaway speed - we have plenty of that - Dow, Martin, Cunningham, Philp, Kemp, Caldwell etc who can help out.

 

[HARKER]

Brayden Sier will be on the market again after this year if he doesn’t get regular senior game time (according to his sister).

He could be a cheaper option if we’re looking to bring in bigger bodied options to support Cripps and our kids in the middle.

She seems to think he’ll end up in Sydney though where he won’t be in the spot light as much and he can continue to play games of local basketball and smoke cigarettes relatively undetected.

I understand SOS liked Sier in his draft year and I was half-expecting him to call his name out at Cuninghams call-up.
I've watched Sier and he can play. I just feel that that tap gets turned on and off. Not sure he's they type we need but if lack of maturity was an issue before, it may have been tended to.

I'm on the Gaff and Papley train......not a red rattler train, but a bullet one.

 

[HARKER]

I can understand that given how young our list is. But I think its too simple to say no more youngsters. I watched the GWS v Bulldogs game. Bailey Smith, 19 you, hard as nails, tough, as hard as Libba at the ball. Close to if not BoG. Would love to have him. Has improved significantly from his time as an 18yo, first year player. I was actually watching the game to assess Hatley and Caldwell. Both good on a tough night. Caldwell, hard at it from the outset, but tired in the second half - needs to build a tank. I can see him really maturing next year but more like 2022 Before you see what you end up with. Not as advanced as Smith. Hatley played as an outsider and is much more lean. Did a few remarkable things, one handball reminiscent of a young Patty Cripps. Hard to know how good they’ll be. Neither looks the answer for 2021. So if we got one or both of Caldwell or Hatley, I’d look at a cheap senior mid for 2 years from a rebuilding club. Someone who tackled ferociously. If a Hugh Greenwood was available I’d look at them. His brief would be clear - be a massive physical presence around the ball. Don’t worry about breakaway speed - we have plenty of that - Dow, Martin, Cunningham, Philp, Kemp, Caldwell etc who can help out.

We don't know how it may yet pan out but why Hately and Caldwell?
Let's say we went that way and managed to do the deal. What does that do to the squad and have we really improved the whole?
Yes, we'd have more young mids, but is the team immediately better other than for us to be able to say we have great depth...and then what happens with this great young midfield depth.....It does exactly what we're seeing with GWS now. Players wanting out for opportunity.

Which good mid has left GWS and become quality? O'Rourke.....Ahern....Kennedy....Setterfield....Bonar? Steele maybe.
It's OK....I agree that the above doesn't make a real statement, but just thought to drop it in.

If we did reach for a couple of young mids, it would have to be under the consideration that they'll be starting 22 players and then what?
Having plenty of something doesn't mean they'll all be able to play and the only consideration would be: Have we vastly improved the squad with these additions or are we just stock-piling young talent for the sake of it?

 

[gbatman]

I may be wrong, but I feel we saw things we didn't really see.
Martins best works was not in the centre but in the backline and forward of centre against Geelong.
It was Cripps and then Ed, who provided the grunt.

Happy to be proven wrong, but this is what I saw,

I must have seen it differently, he was great there but he gave us the intensity, speed and attack on the footy we haven't had in the center. He pretty much covered our biggest weakness of the last few years and previous game.

He is however a gun forward and in an ideal situation he plays forward and rotates through the middle. We rotated Cuningham and Setterfield through there who had fairly small impacts and I know if Martin was to go in there for bursts he would have a far greater impact so we really lack those top line rotational mids.

TBH we are going to need two really good centermen to be able to take Martin out of there because as it stands he's our second best centerman and it's still a huge weakness of ours. We are a talented team but that hardness and intensity is still being driven by too few and I though Martin was the main driver of that V Geelong.

Our coach has made the right changes, I think Gibbons going into the middle more could be another one of value for us.

 

[HARKER]

I must have seen it differently, he was great there but he gave us the intensity, speed and attack on the footy we haven't had in the center. He pretty much covered our biggest weakness of the last few years and previous game.

He is however a gun forward and in an ideal situation he plays forward and rotates through the middle. We rotated Cuningham and Setterfield through there who had fairly small impacts and I know if Martin was to go in there for bursts he would have a far greater impact so we really lack those top line rotational mids.

TBH we are going to need two really good centermen to be able to take Martin out of there because as it stands he's our second best centerman and it's still a huge weakness of ours. We are a talented team but that hardness and intensity is still being driven by too few and I though Martin was the main driver of that V Geelong.

Our coach has made the right changes, I think Gibbons going into the middle more could be another one of value for us.

I can have a look at every centre square stoppage, but I don't remember Martin being particularly influential.
I keep seeing Cripps and then some ECurnow but not so much Martin.
I do recall some good play in the back-line and again some good ball movement going forward. I'll have another look and get back on this one.

First hands to the ball at centre bounces -

QTR. 1 - Cripps * 3.....ECurnow * 2.....Ratag.....* 1......Pittonet * 1
Martin: Good run into the forward line from the first stoppage. Didn't touch the ball in the centre.

QTR. 2 - Cripps * 4....Dangerfield * 2.....Setterfield * 1......Pittonet * 1
Martin: Dangerfield ran away from him. Martin second hands to the ball twice.

QTR. 3 - Cripps * 2.....ECurnow * 1....Ablett * 1....Selwood * 1.......Dangerfield * 1
Martin: Nothing stood out at stoppages.

QTR. 4 - Cripps * 2.....Dangerfield * 2.....Duncan * 1.....Martin * 1
Martin: Good movement around the ball.

There you go.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Look, he's a bloody good footballer, and if he came over he'd instantly be our second best mid, however my issue is what we have to give up for him. He's a restricted FA, which means the only way we get him is through two avenues:

- We offer him a massive contract that Adelaide choose not to match, thus overpaying him.

- We offer a smaller, fairer contract that Adelaide match, forcing us to trade for him, making us unable to trade for Papley anyway.

I don't think either of those avenues are worth exploring for him.

Adelaide are looking at a bottom 3 finish - they'll take a top 3 pick as FA compo for Crouch and run.

 

[DangerousD]

Adelaide are looking at a bottom 3 finish - they'll take a top 3 pick as FA compo for Crouch and run.

We would need to be offering around $800,000 to rigger a band 1 though and I think that’s the posters point. I’m on the fence, but if he has a solid year, I’m all for him.