List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Michael Jezz]

The blame SOS group are misguided.
His drafting say 20 players is at least a B
and it is another 2 years before you can judge 2018/19. 2015 A 2016 B 2017 D(no good).

Trading and Attracting players. My view on this is SOS is responsible for establishing targets. Getting them to come is the president and CEOs responsibility. MLG has not got the charm and pull of his counterparts at Essendon, Collingwood and even Brisbane.

Then you want to blame him for Ellis and Butler. IMO ELLIS way over the odds. It is a choice between Butler and Betts and SoS was over ruled on Betts.
Martin- SoS did everything right.
Shiel, Cogs, Smith, Rockliff didnt want to come.
Oshea, Mullet, Lang, Kennedy, Smedts- fails

 

[blue healer]

he had the guts to move on those players, take short term hits and keep things on plan. Don’t underestimate how hard that is.

I don’t think SOS is omnipotent - I disagreed with probably 30% of his draft choices. But on TPP he was excellent.

To give you an example - I was pissed when we passed on Flanders last year. I think Ned will be the second best player from that draft and the silky skilled mid we need. But there is a more than 30% chance I am wrong.

Henderson and Yarran announced their intentions to leave before SOS even took up residence so no guts needed there. Granted he did bring Menzel forward a year but the dogs were barking that it was his last with us anyway.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

such a friendly disposition - I will totally answer that. Let me put it this way - I have better things to do than make sh*t up for shits and giggles. I have a good relationship with someone in a senior position at the Club. From time to time they comment on things reported in the media to say that’s right or it’s crap. But what I get told would be a small subset of what actually goes on. Eg I couldn’t tell you who our trade or free agency targets are. I also know some of the players socially through involvement in a business club. See them once a quarter for 2-3 hours. There will be people much better informed than me. Last thing players want is to be asked info about internal things.

Apologies for my rant last nite K2F. Good response though.
I had a buddy back in the 90's who's uncle was on the match committee - I used to get a lot of inside goss as well, but that was before BigFooty.
Anyway keep em' coming

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Riewoldt article in the Sun today about Cripps is spot on, Paddy will want to be the bloke who has brought this team through and with Doc we have exceptional leaders at the top, it’s up the Logo and Liddell to put the support around him.

 

[Kouta2Fev]

Apologies for my rant last nite K2F. Good response though.
I had a buddy back in the 90's who's uncle was on the match committee - I used to get a lot of inside goss as well, but that was before BigFooty.
Anyway keep em' coming

Mate most of mine comes well after the horse has bolted. Set expectations low.

 

[Mezzoculo]

For at least a decade I’ve read about is shoehorning defenders or forwards or whoever to be mids. I can’t think of who it ever actually worked for.

Our opponents most weeks.

 

[Kouta2Fev]

I think we’ve been caught missing a trick and following an obsolete model, again.

The trend has changed since free agency that even guys who are under contract get traded to their preferred destination.

We assumed because we had heaps of cap room we’d land players, no matter how bad we were. We were very wrong and have the opposite problem where if we were paying on actual output we’d probably be fined for paying under the cap floor.

So here we are with a list with slightly more talent and upside than 2015. Better guys 23 or under than then but way less in the mid-late 20s range.

Only players we have in mid late 20s who will take us forward are cripps, Docherty and Martin.

We have progressed about as far as Melbourne did from 2008-13.

Sorry but this is absolute nonsense.

We have added a number of players capable of being part of a premiership 22. Without rose coloured glasses on they are:

1. Weitering
2. Walsh
3. McKay
4. Charlie
5. SPS
6. Fisher
7. Martin
8. Plowman

Add to that Cripps and Doc who were there before SOS - that is 10/25 set. Assume you need 25 to challenge for a flag.

I am ignoring others who I think in time will rise to the occassion - Dow, Pittonet, Marchbank (if fit), Kemp (if fit), Williamson, Cunningham.

Lots of others not included - Stocker, Setterfield, O'Brien etc.

You would be surprised when you have a solid 12-15 core players, how much better they make the others look. By my count we have at least 14 of our premiership 22. We have 4 years to add another 10 players. It becomes a lot easier once you start to get wins on the board.

Saying we are akin to 2015 is utter nonsense.

 

[Own The Future]

he had the guts to move on those players, take short term hits and keep things on plan. Don’t underestimate how hard that is.

I don’t think SOS is omnipotent - I disagreed with probably 30% of his draft choices. But on TPP he was excellent.

To give you an example - I was pissed when we passed on Flanders last year. I think Ned will be the second best player from that draft and the silky skilled mid we need. But there is a more than 30% chance I am wrong.

K2F - very interested in your thoughts as you obviously have some inside knowledge.
I am also keen to know if you would prefer Flanders today, rather than the players we ended up with (Kemp & Philp). Draft decisions need many years to fully evaluate, but as it stands now I’m quite happy with how it ended up.

 

[Blue1980]

Sorry but this is absolute nonsense.

We have added a number of players capable of being part of a premiership 22. Without rose coloured glasses on they are:

1. Weitering
2. Walsh
3. McKay
4. Charlie
5. SPS
6. Fisher
7. Martin
8. Plowman

Add to that Cripps and Doc who were there before SOS - that is 10/25 set. Assume you need 25 to challenge for a flag.

I am ignoring others who I think in time will rise to the occassion - Dow, Pittonet, Marchbank (if fit), Kemp (if fit), Williamson, Cunningham.

Lots of others not included - Stocker, Setterfield, O'Brien etc.

You would be surprised when you have a solid 12-15 core players, how much better they make the others look. By my count we have at least 14 of our premiership 22. We have 4 years to add another 10 players. It becomes a lot easier once you start to get wins on the board.

Saying we are akin to 2015 is utter nonsense.

I agree with those you mention without rose coloured glasses, though Charlie’s injury concerns are a worry.

Point being we have about maybe half of what we need, from here it’s all about getting talent through the door who can have an immediate impact and improve us NOW.

 

[Kouta2Fev]

K2F - very interested in your thoughts as you obviously have some inside knowledge.
I am also keen to know if you would prefer Flanders today, rather than the players we ended up with (Kemp & Philp). Draft decisions need many years to fully evaluate, but as it stands now I’m quite happy with how it ended up.

My inside knowledge is incredibly limited. I promise you that. I have very definitive views on players as I watch a lot of U18s, TAC Cup etc. I am football obsessed and will go to games, watch youtube etc.

I would take Flanders every day of the week because I think he will be as good as Pendles. I can honestly say I had not heard of Philp and I rate Kemp, but had him around 15. I also rated Dylan Robertson top 7 who has not shown a lot so far. Flanders also has not played. So it is literally a lottery.

Please don't see me as some great source or opinion maker. I have my own views - I am the very definition of amature.

 

[Kouta2Fev]

I agree with those you mention without rose coloured glasses, though Charlie’s injury concerns are a worry.

Point being we have about maybe half of what we need, from here it’s all about getting talent through the door who can have an immediate impact and improve us NOW.

Mate it is like building a house. We have laid the foundations and put up 2 of 4 walls. We need to add 2 walls, some windows and maybe a curtain or two. You don't build a list in 4 drafts and then sit back and watch it mature and win. That is very rare. You build the foundation over 3-4 years and then teak over another 3-4. You then hope that sets you up to contend over a 3-5 year period and in that time you jag 1-2 flags.

I am not an optimistic person. But I know we will taste success under Teague and Cripps. 2025 is my prediction.

 

[Jeremias]

My inside knowledge is incredibly limited. I promise you that. I have very definitive views on players as I watch a lot of U18s, TAC Cup etc. I am football obsessed and will go to games, watch youtube etc.

I would take Flanders every day of the week because I think he will be as good as Pendles. I can honestly say I had not heard of Philp and I rate Kemp, but had him around 15. I also rated Dylan Robertson top 7 who has not shown a lot so far. Flanders also has not played. So it is literally a lottery.

Please don't see me as some great source or opinion maker. I have my own views - I am the very definition of amature.

1) You watch a lot of U18 and TAC Cup but had never heard of someone who many had as a top 30-35 selection heading into the draft?

2) Who is Dylan Robertson? Do you mean Deven?

Sorry but I am very sceptical.

 

[Kouta2Fev]

1) You watch a lot of U18 and TAC Cup but had never heard of someone who many had as a top 30-35 selection heading into the draft?

2) Who is Dylan Robertson? Do you mean Deven?

Sorry but I am very sceptical.

Yes Deven. He went to Brisbane so I don't follow him closely. Ever got a name mixed up?

Yep - I have favourites I watch. Happy to openly admit when I don't know something.

Be as sceptical as you like IDNGAF. As I said above very much an amature - I would take my views with a grain of salt on who to draft, trade etc. But it is a football forum and people are allowed to have opinions.

 

[Jeremias]

Yes Deven. He went to Brisbane so I don't follow him closely. Ever got a name mixed up?

Sometimes, but not when I'm trying to convince people I know a lot about something.

 

[Kouta2Fev]

Sometimes, but not when I'm trying to convince people I know a lot about something.

Did you miss this part of my post - "Please don't see me as some great source or opinion maker. I have my own views - I am the very definition of amature."

Wasn't trying to convince people I know something - basically the opposite.

 

[Jeremias]

Did you miss this part of my post - "Please don't see me as some great source or opinion maker. I have my own views - I am the very definition of amature."

Wasn't trying to convince people I know something - basically the opposite.

I saw it, just found your post very odd for the points raised earlier.

 

[Kouta2Fev]

I saw it, just found your post very odd for the points raised earlier.

Well I would appreciate you reading what I actually write and not attributing motives to what I post. There are limited subjects I am an expert on. Sadly football /drafting is not one of them. Hence why I used the term amature to describe myself.

 

[HARKER]

Can someone name me another team that has a combination like Wines and Cripps? Failing that, if you could have any player in the history of football come into the side, who would be the ideal inside midfield partner for Cripps?
We've already got Jack, Kemp, Stocker, Philp and Dow ticking away there. You might not like the mix, or the sum total of each player potential given Cripps' role as the anchor of that clearance unit, but that is a tactically diverse mix, with one potential superstar (Kemp) and several players with many elite qualities.
From where I'm sitting the issue is player and tactical development, something that's been lacking at the club for some time, and doesn't look to have improved enough over the off-season.

I agree with this in principle and for those of us that spent some time watching training, one would have had a pretty good feeling, some of our midfield woes may have been alleviated via Setterfield and Stocker. They both looked great in the heavy stuff and not against Murphy, but against Cripps, ECurnow....

So what has changed? Why can't Setterfield replicate his pre-season form? Why isn't Stocker a consideration just yet?
Once the practice games commenced, some players looked totally different to the way they were being built up via the pre-season.

Sure, there is a logical reason there somewhere, but it just looks as though things haven't clicked when they looked as though they would.

 

[Doro]

I agree with this in principle and for those of us that spent some time watching training, one would have had a pretty good feeling, some of our midfield woes may have been alleviated via Setterfield and Stocker. They both looked great in the heavy stuff and not against Murphy, but against Cripps, ECurnow....

So what has changed? Why can't Setterfield replicate his pre-season form? Why isn't Stocker a consideration just yet?
Once the practice games commenced, some players looked totally different to the way they were being built up via the pre-season.

Sure, there is a logical reason there somewhere, but it just looks as though things haven't clicked when they looked as though they would.

I think all that shows is that pre season observations mean little, other than which players are fit. If anything the broken momentum might have affected some worse than others, so it might take a few weeks to work into it again.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

Did you miss this part of my post - "Please don't see me as some great source or opinion maker. I have my own views - I am the very definition of amature."

Wasn't trying to convince people I know something - basically the opposite.

Amateur

 

[Stamos]

Henderson and Yarran announced their intentions to leave before SOS even took up residence so no guts needed there. Granted he did bring Menzel forward a year but the dogs were barking that it was his last with us anyway.

You've got a really bad memory.

 

[Kouta2Fev]

Amateur

add spelling to my list of incompetencies.

thanks Mum

 

[Jimmae]

I agree with this in principle and for those of us that spent some time watching training, one would have had a pretty good feeling, some of our midfield woes may have been alleviated via Setterfield and Stocker. They both looked great in the heavy stuff and not against Murphy, but against Cripps, ECurnow....

So what has changed? Why can't Setterfield replicate his pre-season form? Why isn't Stocker a consideration just yet?
Once the practice games commenced, some players looked totally different to the way they were being built up via the pre-season.

Sure, there is a logical reason there somewhere, but it just looks as though things haven't clicked when they looked as though they would.

I think all that shows is that pre season observations mean little, other than which players are fit. If anything the broken momentum might have affected some worse than others, so it might take a few weeks to work into it again.

I would just put it down the intensity gap between training and matches. The best tend to find another gear on match-day, but striving to compete during pre-season cannot hurt your chances in the longer term as you build up the related exercise tolerance (at least to a point, which had been more of an issue pre-Russell).

 

[katmanblue]

Our opponents most weeks.

That and if they have someone out of form or coming back from injury. We tend to play them back into form.

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[HARKER]

I think all that shows is that pre season observations mean little, other than which players are fit. If anything the broken momentum might have affected some worse than others, so it might take a few weeks to work into it again.

I've been going long enough now, to have ironed out some of the kinks in observation, but Setterfield was reading the ball off the hands so well and clearing his arms for a quick disposal, even with Cripps hanging off him. It was of no surprise to me that he was often being singled out by his team-mates, as the player to watch through the pre-season.

Stocker was even stronger and his stoppage work was quality. Poor Walsh didn't stand a chance against him.
I know that Stocker has fitness issues to get right before being released, but Setterfield....?