List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Arr0w]

It's not so much about bringing something we don't have, but rather something that we could have more of, in which case he brings plenty.

Experience, skill, flexibility

He is not a star, but ticks a lot of boxes for us, and would be a more than handy addition at the right price.

Still contracted I believe?

Other OOC that add just as much, if not more and are cheaper options

 

[Jeremias]

Still contracted I believe?

Other OOC that add just as much, if not more and are cheaper options

Contracted through to the end of 2022.

Not sure how much he will cost, but if they don't see him as part of their best side going forward and he wants to leave, he may be someone we can get at somewhat of a discount.

 

[Arr0w]

Contracted through to the end of 2022.

Not sure how much he will cost, but if they don't see him as part of their best side going forward and he wants to leave, he may be someone we can get at somewhat of a discount.

Possibly

Given current contracts, if we are looking at that type, I would prefer Hewitt or Perryman, both OOC and have more strings

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Possibly

Given current contracts, if we are looking at that type, I would prefer Hewitt or Perryman, both OOC and have more strings

Resounding yes to both of them. Hewitt massively flies under the radar but is a very solid player, Perryman similar (although has been getting some press this season).

 

[Jeremias]

Possibly

Given current contracts, if we are looking at that type, I would prefer Hewitt or Perryman, both OOC and have more strings

Like Hewett a lot, but he is not a similar type to McLean. Don't see any scope for him to play forward for example, and his disposal is not on the same level as McLean, particularly when entering the forward 50.

Has spent much of his career tagging, but think he has served a long apprenticeship to take over from JPK. Interested to see if that is happening now with Josh out for a while.

 

[new_blue]

Was just looking at the stats for 2020 and Hugh Greenwood is ranked number one for pressure points. Steele is 3rd. Lyons is 6th. We don’t have anyone in top 10 and none of our young mids (except for potentially Setters) can dominate in the pressure acts.

Such mids are not expensive but you need one in your 22 and picking up the likes of Kelly or Crouch or another gun won’t solve for that. Nor will an improved Dow or LOB or Philp or Kemp. Won’t be an expensive pick up but we will need to do either end of this season or next.




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This is the natural evolution of the Ed Curnow role.

 

[Arr0w]

Like Hewett a lot, but he is not a similar type to McLean. Don't see any scope for him to play forward for example, and his disposal is not on the same level as McLean, particularly when entering the forward 50.

Has spent much of his career tagging, but think he has served a long apprenticeship to take over from JPK. Interested to see if that is happening now with Josh out for a while.

Hewett started as a forward, kicked 18 goals in his first year, more than McLean in any year, so no reason why he couldn't replicate that if needed

Would also be cheaper than McLean

 

[Jeremias]

Hewett started as a forward, kicked 18 goals in his first year, more than McLean in any year, so no reason why he couldn't replicate that if needed

Would also be cheaper than McLean

Did he? I don't recall that at all.

Interesting that he probably hasn't kicked anywhere near that amount in any season since.

 

[Arr0w]

Did he? I don't recall that at all.

Interesting that he probably hasn't kicked anywhere near that amount in any season since.

Played more of a negating midfielder since, but had no trouble finding the goals

 

[gbatman]

Bit hard to say who we should target as a lot of the targets don't seem so high profile as they have other years.

A lot of talk about Brad Crouch. Sure a month a go he was a no-brainer. But things change. Setterfield is playing well in the center and Curnow is also playing pretty well compared to earlier. Kennedy might be cementing a spot in there and Dow, even though he has been injured a bit, if he is going to make it should cement a spot in there as well this year. Then of course there is Kemp who is an exciting prospect so we aren't quite as desperate as we have been.

Then again is Crouch was on our list he would be getting a game and at his best he's a great player. But the mentioned contract seems a lot for someone we may not desperately need and who is not one of the best.

There is room for a star centerman, someone who is a complete player who is skilled, quick and hard at it and will tackle. Hard to find but they do come up from time to time.

Would hate to go out and get the best available and that player turn out to be not much good.

Our other need is up forward. Small forwards IMO there's still a need to address there. Martin has been a great get. Betts is going well but is at the end. Then again we have guys coming through the reserves who look alright. Honey, Philp, Owies. I think we need to find out if they can play senior footy soon but perhaps we will have to wait until next season after a little more development.

Papley is an immediate fix. He also adds a forward who can pinch hit in the midfield.

It's hard to know what we should do. For all we know, Crouch in our system may be a really good player.

The other option is to go to GWS again. They are and will always be overflowing with early draft picks who can't crack a game.

I just don't think our story has been told yet, players are developing and that's changing and potentially changing our needs.

We are in such a prime position to get a star but are they there? This will be a tough one.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Can't wait to see Honey! Remember he really caught the eye in pre season, just has something about him!

I hear he's got sticky fingers.

 

[Bryce Bubbles]

Good call, been racking my brain trying to work out who we could get to replicate Dees Bris with Lewis and Hodge, elevated really quickly when they added these types of players. He's tough, good tackler, kicks goals, comes from a successful background, don't know about he's contract status, you'd think where Hawthorns age demographic is at, they could be looking to clear the decks. Worth asking the question.

Ha Jordan Lewis...did he really give them anything?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Mclean provides a good kick and goals as a midfielder, he provides peanuts as a small forward. Would be a good get if he comes at a similar price to Newman or Pittonet given the situation they all found themselves in lacking opportunity behind talented players

 

[CJMB]

Ha Jordan Lewis...did he really give them anything?

Correlllation does not equal causation but...

Melbourne ladder positions by year:

2010 12th
2011 13th
2012 16th
2013 17th
2014 17th
2014 17th
2015 13th
2016 11th
2017 9th (Lewis)
2018 4th (Lewis)
2019 17th
2020* 13th

 

[Blue__Balls]

Can someone enlighten me...
Toby McLean. What does he bring to our list in 2021 that we don't already have?

Direct competition with Fisher for a "small mid" position.

Fisher is agile with clean hands, but his tackling is a bit lacklustre (bar that ripping one on Dusty), he's still a bit weak at the contest, and he has a tendency to spray shots at goal from general play.

McLean isn't quite as tidy with his disposal, but he plays with more desperation, tackles reasonably well, draws free kicks and generally finishes OK in front of goal.

Comparatively, it's like O'Brien vs. Newnes. A good game from O'Brien would be scintillating but is rare, but with Newnes you get consistent solid performances. Fisher has it in him to be a very good midfielder, but Mclean offers a lower ceiling but higher floor. The best result is that you take the consistent performances in the short term until the higher ceiling player is developed enough to play consistently to a higher standard. Then they swap, and you've got a solid depth player who you know will give you 6-7/10 games if required.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Hewett started as a forward, kicked 18 goals in his first year, more than McLean in any year, so no reason why he couldn't replicate that if needed

Would also be cheaper than McLean

What makes you think he's be cheaper than McLean?

Is it just the contract status?

The circumstances of the two clubs seem particularly relevant - WB have plenty of depth in the middle, but will need to stockpile some picks to cover an early bid for Ugle-Hagan, while Sydney are entering rebuild territory, have a struggling midfield at the moment, and we'll be making a strong play for Papley. I can see WB releasing McLean for unders to improve their draft position a bit and not make life difficult for a player who isn't in their 22, while I can see Sydney playing harder ball with Hewett given he's an important part of their midfield setup and they're not batting deep there at the moment (plus we'll be coming hard for Papley).

 

[CJMB]

Hewett started as a forward, kicked 18 goals in his first year, more than McLean in any year, so no reason why he couldn't replicate that if needed

Would also be cheaper than McLean

I quite like Hewett, seems versatile, can tag, kick a goal and get a bit of his own ball. Assuming he wanted to leave, and wanted to come to us, what do you think it'd cost to get him over?

 

[DangerousD]

What makes you think he's be cheaper than McLean?

Is it just the contract status?

The circumstances of the two clubs seem particularly relevant - WB have plenty of depth in the middle, but will need to stockpile some picks to cover an early bid for Ugle-Hagan, while Sydney are entering rebuild territory, have a struggling midfield at the moment, and we'll be making a strong play for Papley. I can see WB releasing McLean for unders to improve their draft position a bit and not make life difficult for a player who isn't in their 22, while I can see Sydney playing harder ball with Hewett given he's an important part of their midfield setup and they're not batting deep there at the moment (plus we'll be coming hard for Papley).

Difference is Hewitt is out of contract and Mclean isn’t. Both clubs need to improve their draft position in regards to academy players.
The Dogs imo have no avenue of getting ahead of the Ugle-Hagan pick, which might make any trades hinge on future picks.

 

[DangerousD]

I quite like Hewett, seems versatile, can tag, kick a goal and get a bit of his own ball. Assuming he wanted to leave, and wanted to come to us, what do you think it'd cost to get him over?

second round pick straight up, around 25-30

 

[Blue__Balls]

Difference is Hewitt is out of contract and Mclean isn’t. Both clubs need to improve their draft position in regards to academy players.
The Dogs imo have no avenue of getting ahead of the Ugle-Hagan pick, which might make any trades hinge on future picks.

OK.

Setterfield is out of contract, Fisher isn't.

Which do you think would get us a bigger return as of right now?

Contract status is relevant, for sure, but I think McLean is less important to the Bulldogs than Hewett is to Sydney, and as such WB are more likely to accept a slightly lowball offer in the interests of the player himself.

I like both players. I think Hewett would be a smart acquisition that would allow us to transition Ed out of the side over the next year or so (love Ed, still think his time in the seniors will come to an end soon-ish). But I think Mclean comes cheaper based on how much his club really wants to fight for him.

 

[DangerousD]

OK.

Setterfield is out of contract, Fisher isn't.

Which do you think would get us a bigger return as of right now?

Contract status is relevant, for sure, but I think McLean is less important to the Bulldogs than Hewett is to Sydney, and as such WB are more likely to accept a slightly lowball offer in the interests of the player himself.

I like both players. I think Hewett would be a smart acquisition that would allow us to transition Ed out of the side over the next year or so (love Ed, still think his time in the seniors will come to an end soon-ish). But I think Mclean comes cheaper based on how much his club really wants to fight for him.

Setterfield and Fish probably not the greatest example. I get what your saying and Mclean has been mentioned as being gettable, If the Dogs had a chance of getting ahead of their academy pick then I’d agree with you around McLeans trading, but I don’t, I see him being gettable for a pick around 25-30.

As Hewitt is out of contract, I don’t see the Swans playing hardball if he wants to leave, players who want to leave, leave, the club isn’t allowed to hold an uncontracted player against his will. I see Hewitt valued roughly around the same, maybe a few picks higher, as we most likely will have a pick 25-30, I see that being all that would be used, if we chased either.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Setterfield and Fish probably not the greatest example. I get what your saying and Mclean has been mentioned as being gettable, If the Dogs had a chance of getting ahead of their academy pick then I’d agree with you around McLeans trading, but I don’t, I see him being gettable for a pick around 25-30.

As Hewitt is out of contract, I don’t see the Swans playing hardball if he wants to leave, players who want to leave, leave, the club isn’t allowed to hold an uncontracted player against his will. I see Hewitt valued roughly around the same, maybe a few picks higher, as we most likely will have a pick 25-30, I see that being all that would be used, if we chased either.

I understand that contracted players typically cost more. But I don't think McLean's contracted status means all that much in this situation, certainly not enough to offset the difference in cost should they both be out of contract - one is a mid in his side's best 22 and that side is lacking midfield depth and mature bodies, the other is a fringe mid who is only getting a game due to a number of injuries to best 22 players.

Contract = pay more. Than what they'd be worth uncontracted. But a contracted player doesn't automatically cost more than an uncontracted one.

 

[Forty3]

I would like us to get a bit more specific in this years trade period. Obviously a class midfielder would be the ideal. Although I disagree with the theory we need an inside mid. I like the stocks we have coming through to play that role. Outside class, ball use and speed for me is essential. Also HBF to replace Simmo.

Players I hope we ask about that are a little left of centre are Oliver Florrent and Will Hayward from Sydney, Alex Witherden from Brisbane, Ed Richards and Bailey Williams from the Dogs and Hunter Clarke from the Saints.

Not sure if any of these are available, but I think a second round pick for any of these in a Doc style trade would be far more beneficial to our cause than kitchen sink style stuff at a Papley,

That said, if we are going to go kitchen sink, I think our three main targets should be Josh Kelly, Jack Mcrae and Zach Merrett, in that order.

Zac Williams fit would be an ideal target, but his history of soft tissue injury makes it very hard to ascertain an accurate value.

 

[Love the Drake]

Don’t see McLean as a target of our recruiting team. We have enough B/B+ graders. The list is looking quite good, with a lot of our talented youngsters reaching the 40-80 games. I would think we are ‘in the window’ and looking to play finals in 2021.

We need A graders who will make a difference like Jack Martin. Not B graders like Mclean.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Angus Brayshaw anyone?
Really rate him, struggling like the rest of the Melb list atm.
Worth an enquiring about?