List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Jimmae]

Kyron Hayden is a name I didn't see there, and think he'd be worth pursuing given he's still uncontracted at North.

 

[Brackets]

Would Dow and O'Brien be the last picked in the top 10 at the moment. Would be close. Would have loved Clark to have slipped to us.

Shaw, O'Shea, Garlett, Schumacher.

Not the greatest draft for us.

 

[2blue4u]

Re: Dow and O'Brien I doubt anyone comes asking the question.

Both are contracted.

Fans are often impatient but I think there's a pretty good understanding within the industry that kids often take time and they're not necessarily unsettled just because they're not playing senior footy.

And even if a club did ask the question, I'm not sure what people think we'd be getting offered, but clearly it would be a 'loss' on the investment and not something I would think we'd be overly keen to entertain.

Agreed mate. Both are still young. I would actually like to see them get some consistent games in the seniors first before making judgement. I always look back and think to the days when Richmond were trying to off load Dusty for anything reasonable they could get. I think we as supporters are far too impatient with young guys especially ones taken with early draft picks. It is a huge step up to AFL especially for a 19 year old. It is very rare to get a kid who comes in and plays AFL standard footy in their first few years.

 

[Manhattanite]

Re: Dow and O'Brien I doubt anyone comes asking the question.

Both are contracted.

Fans are often impatient but I think there's a pretty good understanding within the industry that kids often take time and they're not necessarily unsettled just because they're not playing senior footy.

And even if a club did ask the question, I'm not sure what people think we'd be getting offered, but clearly it would be a 'loss' on the investment and not something I would think we'd be overly keen to entertain.

I think the one club that may want Dow and/or LOB - or at least should because of their circumstances - is Adelaide. They may end up with picks 1 and 2 and will want more youth but not necessarily 18 year olds. So maybe trading them for Laird or Smith with Dow is a win win for both clubs and the players (older players want to contend while younger are more patient)?




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[McConville]

Where is everyone seeing Kemp in all of this? I think he could be anything, but not sure where he slots in. I havent seen him mentioned at all in any of this discussion about the kids moving forward.

 

[2blue4u]

Where is everyone seeing Kemp in all of this? I think he could be anything, but not sure where he slots in. I havent seen him mentioned at all in any of this discussion about the kids moving forward.

Big bodied mid coming back from long term injury. Not much to say really until we see what he has. Pretty sure before his injury they were touting him as at least a top 10 pick possibly lower.

 

[CJMB]

Where is everyone seeing Kemp in all of this? I think he could be anything, but not sure where he slots in. I havent seen him mentioned at all in any of this discussion about the kids moving forward.

Starts off on a back flank before progressing into the middle.

Think Elliott Yeo in terms of career path

 

[Gethelred]

Kyron Hayden is a name I didn't see there, and think he'd be worth pursuing given he's still uncontracted at North.

I didn't look at North.

Pobodies nerfect.

 

[Gethelred]

Florent is a fantastic player, who wouldn’t want him, if there’s a chance, go nuts. What do you think Sydney’s rebuild plans are? Hold Papley to his contract, trade out Parker to get more kids in, trade fringe l,ayers for mid range picks and go for value?
I doubt any plan would include a player like Florent leaving the club.

Houston would be very good too, ive never heard any mention of him wanting out.

This wasn't me looking at who's available, just at who'd be good. If we limit who we're looking at solely to what's available, we're limiting ourselves.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Starts off on a back flank before progressing into the middle.

Think Elliott Yeo in terms of career path

kemp is big but hes not slow right? the issue with playing cripps/kennedy/setters/jsos as big mids is pace.

if kemp isnt slow hes perfect compliment. still maintain our size wothout being imbalanced for slownesss

 

[CJMB]

kemp is big but hes not slow right? the issue with playing cripps/kennedy/setters/jsos as big mids is pace.

if kemp isnt slow hes perfect compliment. still maintain our size wothout being imbalanced for slownesss

I'm hardly a draft watcher but my understanding is he's pretty quick off the mark.

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The word on Kemp coming into the season was that he was destined for more midfield minutes after finding a home as a high-marking intercept defender in 2018, but he would end up having an impact just about everywhere. He adapted his kick-dominant game to become a handball-happy midfield extractor, was solid in his usual defensive post for Vic Country, and eventually a game winner for them up forward. Kemp’s success up forward lends to his key strengths of impact and overhead marking. He showed his worth with a huge contested mark in the dying seconds against South Australia to snare the winning goal, while doing the same twice in the last quarter against Western Australia to almost drag his side over the line. All were really game defining moments, and while Kemp does not win crazy amounts of the ball, he has important touches. Add to that a sub-three second 20m sprint and phenomenal agility and you have a prospect that can pull off just about anything. A good size to boot, Kemp would be a top 10 lock if not for his recent injury.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I'm hardly a draft watcher but my understanding is he's pretty quick off the mark.

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[Blue__Balls]

So what we saw from this week's play was a need for more hardness, speed and smarts around the footy. A better wingman and better quicker small forwards who are willing to apply pressure.

I would love to add an elite smaller centerman into the mix who just does it all well. But who? Is Kelly still a thing?

Players who don't tackle and can't kick need not apply.

I think we had hardness around the ball, but what Hawthorn had were a number of very good, very experienced outside runners who regularly made space. And they knew to look for them.

Call it the Clarkson factor if you want, but I think what it boils down to is a core of players who have played a lot of footy together, at a high standard, and their coach was able to identify that their chances hinged not on their ability to "win the contested ball", but in their ability to do whatever they needed to do to feed their outside runners.

Shows the power of versatility in your 22. We lacked it a bit, were maybe a bit too rigid in our structures and gameplan. In hindsight, Moore out for a runner like O'Brien may have been a smart move - though before the game you could certainly make a case for three talls being central to our own gameplan. Gotta find the balance between playing our brand of footy whilst not being too vulnerable to the opponent's strengths.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

It is worth noting that, we have excess $$$$ that need to be spent this year, before our cap resets. It was mentioned by the CEO a few months back, that in 5alks with Gil, it was made clear that clubs with a buffer would maintain that buffer, regardless of how much the cap dropped.

The money is there to be spent

The thought that we have heaps of room in our salary cap is strange to me.. We are no doubt paying Cripps heaps.. We overpaid McGovern, Charlie Curnow is on heaps, We have blokes like Weitering, Harry McKay, SPS, Jones & Walsh who will be after big pay increases.

 

[DangerousD]

This wasn't me looking at who's available, just at who'd be good. If we limit who we're looking at solely to what's available, we're limiting ourselves.

If we listed who would be good, the list would be very very long. Someone like Patmore would be a good option if you secured someone like Williams and Papley, as he would be quite cheap and would fill a need, should we not be aiming higher though? Houston and Florent aside, do those others improve our list?

 

[DangerousD]

The thought that we have heaps of room in our salary cap is strange to me.. We are no doubt paying Cripps heaps.. We overpaid McGovern, Charlie Curnow is on heaps, We have blokes like Weitering, Harry McKay, SPS, Jones & Walsh who will be after big pay increases.

It all depends on if we can trust the reported figures. Charlie at the time of signing was reported at $800,000, Ricciuto has said Gov is on $800,000 (I thought it was around $650,000), Cripps was reported in the paper last week at $950,000 (both Gawn and Bradshaw have said it was miles off)

Im not sure many supporters would be interested in offering even remotely big $$$$ to SPS and Jones, but our cap situation comes about by simply banking the extra money that we haven’t been spending the last 3 years, what amount we have left though is debatable, but it has to be spent.

 

[DangerousD]

Why Kemp down back, why not a Toby Greene type forward?

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

It all depends on if we can trust the reported figures. Charlie at the time of signing was reported at $800,000, Ricciuto has said Gov is on $800,000 (I thought it was around $650,000), Cripps was reported in the paper last week at $950,000 (both Gawn and Bradshaw have said it was miles off)

Im not sure many supporters would be interested in offering even remotely big $$$$ to SPS and Jones, but our cap situation comes about by simply banking the extra money that we haven’t been spending the last 3 years, what amount we have left though is debatable, but it has to be spent.

I do agree with most of you have said, however this year we are paying Jack Martin the bulk of his salary so doubt we are banking anything.. If you discount last week, SPS has been very good and developing into a very good player off half back. What more could Jones do, considering he would be on minimum chips.

 

[DangerousD]

I do agree with most of you have said, however this year we are paying Jack Martin the bulk of his salary so doubt we are banking anything.. If you discount last week, SPS has been very good and developing into a very good player off half back. What more could Jones do, considering he would be on minimum chips.

I don’t want to get in to a worm hole of what player is worth what as it’s purely subjective and won’t agree. I can only summarise what I read or heard from the club and thats we have excess cap $$$ to spend this year. I don’t know how much but it sounded like it was something that would actually help and not just a few dollars.

Time will tell, I’m not 100% on the details but I think you can pay 5% under each year for a 3 year period and then have to use banked funds, so 15% is a lot. If anyone knows the finer details, please add.

 

[Gethelred]

If we listed who would be good, the list would be very very long. Someone like Patmore would be a good option if you secured someone like Williams and Papley, as he would be quite cheap and would fill a need, should we not be aiming higher though? Houston and Florent aside, do those others improve our list?

I'd argue that each provide something that we lack in an age demographic that is acceptable.

 

[CJMB]

The thought that we have heaps of room in our salary cap is strange to me.. We are no doubt paying Cripps heaps.. We overpaid McGovern, Charlie Curnow is on heaps, We have blokes like Weitering, Harry McKay, SPS, Jones & Walsh who will be after big pay increases.

I'd wage the reported contracts to Gov, Charlie, etc are all have a good chunk being incentive based. Hard to meet KPIs when you're not on the field.

 

[CJMB]

I don’t want to get in to a worm hole of what player is worth what as it’s purely subjective and won’t agree. I can only summarise what I read or heard from the club and thats we have excess cap $$$ to spend this year. I don’t know how much but it sounded like it was something that would actually help and not just a few dollars.

Time will tell, I’m not 100% on the details but I think you can pay 5% under each year for a 3 year period and then have to use banked funds, so 15% is a lot. If anyone knows the finer details, please add.

Plus if Martin is on the reported 7 figures front loading this year (perhaps next too?) then he'll be on comparatively SFA for the next few years after that, which is basically another good player we can fit on the books.

 

[Juice030103]

I like the look of Nik cox in this years draft. 6ft6 80kgs but has the shoulders to bulk up. can kick on both sides of his body and has a leap. Would be around our 7-10 pick as well. Also trained with the club at the start of the year. Brodie kemp trained with us at the start of last year, history repeating itself?

 

[DangerousD]

I'd wage the reported contracts to Gov, Charlie, etc are all have a good chunk being incentive based. Hard to meet KPIs when you're not on the field.

That was brought up by some posters at the time, I would think it’s also difficult to have incentives play a big part in the make up of a contract.

You couldn’t have Charlie, Kruz, Marchbank, Doc and Gov not meeting KPIs and taking $100,000 off each, you have a cap floor that must be met. Gov didn’t play too much last year and either did Charlie, but Charlie’s contract started this year, so its hard to tell. Of course some deals have incentives, I just don’t think they play as big a part of what some say.

 

[CJMB]

That was brought up by some posters at the time, I would think it’s also difficult to have incentives play a big part in the make up of a contract.

You couldn’t have Charlie, Kruz, Marchbank, Doc and Gov not meeting KPIs and taking $100,000 off each, you have a cap floor that must be met. Gov didn’t play too much last year and either did Charlie, but Charlie’s contract started this year, so its hard to tell. Of course some deals have incentives, I just don’t think they play as big a part of what some say.

List managers might use that as an opportunity towards the back half of the year when negotiating contract extensions. Draw up a new contract with an extra 2 years on it, we advance the player $100k of the extension this year. So instead of $450k in 2021 & 2022 they get $100k now and $400k the following 2 years.

But you're right, we're not sure what percentage those incentives are.